Posted on 07/07/2014 3:25:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Agreed. I don’t see any issue with being grateful for Mr. Butler’s honorable service, and for acknowledging the suffering he went through as a POW.
But I am not going to allow that to act as a shield. This is serious, and if he wants to weigh in, I am going to look at his life the same way I look at the life of Benedict Arnold. I can appreciate how valuable General Arnold was to the colonials, but once he fell in with the enemy (as someone who is a hard-core liberal in modern America invariably must) then that becomes part of the entire equation.
I am going to guess that, at the time he got shot down, probably had experience as the officer in charge of a department (Line, Ordinance, etc) before he got shot down.
There are a lot of officers in those positions who aren’t leaders. Some learn and get better, some don’t. Don’t know what category he would be in.
I agree with you except he can distinguish between captured or deserted. He just won’t.
Look the man spent over 2000 days in a POW camp. That will screw up your mind.
He is wrong. Very very wrong. But his head is screwed up.
Yeah i know. I am being generous.
Phil believes the line of the Administration that Bowe served honorably. That’s the story and he’s sticking to it.
How sad. His brains obviously got totally scrambled while in captivity.
I understand the distinction you make.
Given the role of liberalism in dismantling our country (and his complete collaboration on everything they do, social, liberal and military) I am not inclined to be as generous as you are.
I have, for some time, viewed him as a domestic enemy of the Constitution.
If his wingman went north and gave up his plane?
I agree...in most normal people, something would break.
But he is not only allowing himself to be used as a dupe, he believes the leftist agenda and is a spokesman for it.
John McCain was, for a short period, my commanding officer in a training squadron a few years after his release. That is all I know of him, other than what I read in the media.
But the fact he is fully in support of policies which are destructive and allows himself to be used as a bludgeon against conservatives when it suits the needs of the Left, well...that did it for me.
My silent support for this man went on long, long after I should have given it up. I am grateful to some Freepers who took the time to discuss it with me rationally instead of just flaming me to pieces.
I had to come to it in my own time, and getting scorched would have likely just made me stubborn.
But I do respect you for being generous. I don’t believe he merits it, but it is chivalrous of you to extend him that courtesy.
I wonder how Dr. Phil feels about a US Marine down in Mexico chained to a bed?
His whole life, especially in childhood, was scrambled.
when he got back, his wife had dumped him.
He is a peace activist in California.
He says he doesn’t know what he’s going to do with his war memorabilia when he’s gone.
?
The media hunts for these guys. There are hundreds of former POWs, but they find this guy.
The guy is a full blown nut case.
Here are his writings on everything from Aids Awareness 1992, to why he won’t vote for McCain 2008, to the “Swift Boating” of John Kerry 2004, to “internet myths about Jane Fonda”, etc, etc.
http://phillipbutlerphd.com/writings/
I don’t think it’s generous at all.
NOT at All.
There are hundreds of former POWs who have had healthy productive lives and who tell of their time of captivity served with honor and distinction.
To take one guy’s word, whom the media hunted down for his activity with the promoters of ‘social justice’, a man who is self described as having ‘given up on God’ because of the way one misguided preacher acted toward blacks, while other POWs turned to God, is not generous to those POWs at all.
How Freepers don’t smell a liberal hit piece from a mile away, I do not know, but just Stop.
Being a POW, or getting crucified, CAN, not WILL, as you claim, scramble your brain, but certainly not necessarily.
That's all you need to know.......
Does this guy govern? No? Then i really don’t give a fig what he says.
If he takes the reins of power it is different then a private citizen commenting. Much as the author can’t distinguish between a captured soldier and a deserter, you can’t distinguish between a private citizen saying whatever the hell he wants to say and a politician with power. Or a media person with power. Big difference. Walk in his shoes first. He is not John Mccain. He is a broken war horse. Leave him in the pasture and bring him an apple.
“the man spent over 2000 days in a POW camp. That will screw up your mind.”
No way.
You are insulting every other honorable man who served our country honorably in POW camp whose minds are not only not screwed up, but who continue to serve our country and it’s founding principals.
No sale.
Remind me. What am i selling?
It’s in the post you are responding to. In quotes.
I’ll try again, but I can see now we’re not spending valuable time here.
That being a POW will do this to you.
No. It is not true, and that is proven by former POWs.
I don’t give a tinkers damn if you agree with me or not. I think that that is the root of your confusion.
I thought I understood the nature of the comment...DariusBane WAS being “generous”, in my opinion.
I know, because I saw myself in my treatment of McCain for a long time.
I knew inside what he was, but didn’t want to reconcile myself to it.
As for POWs and veterans of every stripe, just because most of them didn’t crack doesn’t mean it isn’t possible or even excusable for one of them to crack. And even if one person cracks, it doesn’t necessarily translate to dishonor on that person or even the people who didn’t crack.
Just my two cents on it.
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