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Russian Troops 'Returning To Ukraine Border Areas' (...)
Daily Mail ^ | June 17, 2014 | Will Stewart

Posted on 06/17/2014 7:47:26 AM PDT by Fennie

The move - certain to worry the West - comes amid fresh tension on the frontier with both sides accusing the other of tank incursions between the two ex-Soviet states, and NATO alleging Moscow has provided military equipment to separatists.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: military; obama; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 06/17/2014 7:47:26 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

Russia is like a case of malaria: once you get it, it will never go away. Causes the same level of sympathy too.


2 posted on 06/17/2014 7:52:04 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Fennie

Watch the other hand.


3 posted on 06/17/2014 7:52:51 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Samogon

RT tweeted that the Russian units merely are returning “home” to neighboring countries.


4 posted on 06/17/2014 7:59:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Fennie

Several border incidents have happened in recent days.

Ukrainian mortar shells falling on Russian Territory after a fight near the border, Debris from an airstrike on a then-rebel controlled border post falling on Russian Border Guards, etc.

The Embassy violence in Kiev, and the consulate demonstration in Odessa.

The biggest one though, and likely the last straw, was several Ukrainian APC’s crossing into Russia searching for a reported Tank Transporter. They rolled one of the APC’s into a deep ditch, and had to abandon it.

In addition, Kiev is currently moving a lot of troops near the border, as well.


5 posted on 06/17/2014 8:06:17 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Samogon
Russia is like a case of malaria:...

And we've given up our DDT to deal with it effectively.

6 posted on 06/17/2014 8:08:25 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: tcrlaf

The Embassy in Kiev is a big deal. All the NATO troops have put troops on their borders. What is Russia supposed to do....Look the other way like Obama??


7 posted on 06/17/2014 8:19:13 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tcrlaf

Bloomberg News

Russia has 38,000 troops in borderlands,

Ukraine says: bloom.bg/1lzc7j3pic.twitter.com/xlfnPoCiga


8 posted on 06/17/2014 8:20:28 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Sacajaweau

I think what Ukraine’s Foreign Minister said is having more effect than what just the Embassy attack is.

Whatever you think of these guys, they keep making diplomatic blunder, after diplomatic blunder.

Add in the killing of a Rossya24 Journalist, as well as the Massacre of Civilians by Right Sector north of Lugansk the other day, and Russian Media is in a feeding frenzy.


9 posted on 06/17/2014 8:26:42 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Fennie
Good. Anything to rattle the idiots running Kiev.

Russia is very close to having had enough of this crap.

10 posted on 06/17/2014 8:28:07 AM PDT by billakay
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To: billakay

Good lord, the board is full of commie loving Russia defenders.


11 posted on 06/17/2014 8:33:51 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee
Good lord, the board is full of commie loving Russia defenders.

Not at all, I've been on this forum almost 10 years now and I am as conservative as they come.

However, the anti-Russia propaganda in the media is sickening. I happen to speak Russian (albeit it pretty badly) and have spent several months in Russia over the past few years. I have what few people in the USA have regarding Russia: perspective.

One thing that Russia is NOT at any level is Communist. Furthermore, Re: Ukraine, Putin has handled the crisis masterfully. I don't think anyone could have done anything better for the benefit of Russia than he did.

12 posted on 06/17/2014 8:41:50 AM PDT by billakay
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To: Sam Gamgee
Note that the coup in Ukraine are the ones currently bombing innocent women and children (including with illegal incendiary bombs), and calling rebels with a legitimate gripe terrorists.

Whose side do you really want to be on?

13 posted on 06/17/2014 8:43:40 AM PDT by billakay
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To: Fennie

I’m seeing rumors of this but could be dis-info. I’ll believe it when NATO announces it. On second thought...


14 posted on 06/17/2014 8:45:01 AM PDT by McGruff (ISIS Terror Leader Was Released By Obama from Camp Bucca in 2009)
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To: billakay

Meanwhile, the Right-Sector Nazi’s (yes, ACTUAL NAZI’S), the only effective combat formations the Kiev Gov seems to have, are engaged in ethnic cleansing in the Southeast. You can’t call it anything else.

I wouldn’t call Putin’s moves “Masterful”, but more “Machiavellian”.

He knew what what was happening in Ukraine, (and who was behind it), and had a plan to move on incredibly strategic Crimea should the government fall. It did, and he moved. That the Southeast would try to follow was clear to anyone with even a basic understanding of the area.


15 posted on 06/17/2014 8:51:09 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: billakay
Furthermore, Re: Ukraine, Putin has handled the crisis masterfully. I don't think anyone could have done anything better for the benefit of Russia than he did.

Militarily occupying other countries has that effect on the casual observer of Russia.

16 posted on 06/17/2014 8:52:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: billakay

Russia is murdering their neighbors again. Nothing new here. Russian Federation MVD & GRU troops have been KIA by the dozens in Ukraine already. All the info is out there if you chose to get it. Really, this isn’t difficult unless you have Putinist colored glasses.


17 posted on 06/17/2014 8:52:11 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: McGruff

“I’m seeing rumors of this but could be dis-info”

A couple of the video’s of “Russian Troop Movements” turned out to be Ukrainian troops moving toward Luhansk. No word on the others, though. The Geo-locating guy on Twitter had his account suspended.


18 posted on 06/17/2014 8:53:16 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Of course, our Russian FReepers assure us that, while Putin is a Machiavellian, he would never dare, ever, to destabilize E. Ukraine before moving on it.


19 posted on 06/17/2014 8:54:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Putin commits mass murder and our resident Putinistas joyfully bath in the blood of “Nazi” Ukraine. Disgusting.


20 posted on 06/17/2014 8:56:14 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Ukraine fights back and they whine about civilian casualties.


21 posted on 06/17/2014 8:57:21 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

lol...
Still with the “Russian” crap, eh?
If that helps you sleep at night....

As I have often noted, Ukraine was unstable WAY before coup. The declarations immediately after the coup about wiping out Russian Culture in Ukraine were the trigger for the Southeast, and you know it.


22 posted on 06/17/2014 8:58:44 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: lodi90

“Putin commits mass murder”

So, it’s PUTIN going town to town killing ethnic Russian civilians, while bombing and shelling other Ukrainian Civilians??

And I REALLY do love how the Maidan Trolls still deny the existence of the Nazi’s/Banderists in Ukraine.


23 posted on 06/17/2014 9:00:54 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
If it smells like vodka, and is face down in the gutter, it's Russian.

Don't object so much. You are one of the most consistently pro-Russian posters here. It should be a compliment to you.

24 posted on 06/17/2014 9:01:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf; billakay
And I REALLY do love how the Maidan Trolls still deny the existence of the Nazi’s/Banderists in Ukraine.

Point it out to me the next time you see it. You are confusing (typically) the admission that Nazis exist but in much smaller numbers than Putin and Russia Today claim with "denial."

On the other hand, take the other comment for example:

One thing that Russia is NOT at any level is Communist.

Why the double standard?
25 posted on 06/17/2014 9:05:16 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I analyze what I see.

What I see is a coup government that can’t get out of it’s own way, killing its own citizens, promising to wipe out their culture after they took power.

There has been NO attempt on the part of Kiev to implement any of the Geneva Accords, and they have only made the situation worse at every turn. It’s almost as if the Obama Administration is running the country.

OH.....
Wait....
WHAT???


26 posted on 06/17/2014 9:05:26 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 1rudeboy

Ukraine fights back and they whine about civilian casualties.


To a Putinista there is no such thing as “Ukraine”. Putin is free to kill Russian citizens in Dagestan & Chechnya. So why not Ukraine?

Did you notice the Pro Putins take issue with an embassy protest but ignore mass murder with MANPADS missiles? They live in an alternate reality that is now bizarrely fetishistic.


27 posted on 06/17/2014 9:05:43 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf

So now, Obama is a mastermind? A foreign affairs expert?


28 posted on 06/17/2014 9:08:53 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: lodi90

“but ignore mass murder with MANPADS missiles”

But mass murder with Artillery, airstrikes, and Grads is OK, right? Your hypocrisy fails miserably.

It’s a CIVIL WAR. What did you think was going to happen when the elected government fell in a coup??


29 posted on 06/17/2014 9:09:27 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Russian citizen MVD & GRU troops are killing people in Ukraine. They have been KIA by the dozens and indentified. There no way to spin out of that fact.

This is transnational unlawful warfare by Russia on Ukraine. Continuing to spout the Kremlin line can only be construed as an attempt by you to willfully deceive your fellow Freepers.


30 posted on 06/17/2014 9:10:11 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Pro-Russian separatists shoot down a Ukrainian transport. Ukrainian protestors turn over a few cars at the Russian embassy in response. The latter is an outrage.


31 posted on 06/17/2014 9:11:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: lodi90
Continuing to spout the Kremlin line can only be construed as an attempt by you to willfully deceive your fellow Freepers.

Just don't call it the "Russian" line. LOL

32 posted on 06/17/2014 9:11:53 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
"Point it out to me the next time you see it" WHY?? It's been pointed out to you hundreds of times already, and you still try to outright deny it, or minimize it.
33 posted on 06/17/2014 9:18:26 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 1rudeboy

It’s circular nonsense from Putinistas. Ok for Putin to mass murder Ukrainian and Russian citizens (Dagestan, Chechnya, etc.) Not ok for Ukrainians to defend themselves against transnational warfare.

Bottom line is nobody died in E. Ukraine until Putin sent RF MVD & GRU in to start killing. Russia and it’s daydreaming supporters have blood on their hands for every single death in Ukraine now. Putin is killing to advance his political agenda and they support his methods.


34 posted on 06/17/2014 9:20:04 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Sam Gamgee
As opposed to the commie loving EU defenders?

There are no good guys in this fight.
35 posted on 06/17/2014 9:20:21 AM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: tcrlaf
Now we are getting somewhere. Although you are welcome to link me to a comment where I "outright deny it" (ha!), I'll admit to minimizing what Putin and Russia Today claim.

Your problem is that, if RT tweets that there is a Nazi under your bed, you'd check.

36 posted on 06/17/2014 9:22:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

One is a military act against opposing armed forces in a Civil War.

The other is a Diplomatic Incident. The government is responsible for the safety of diplomats within its country. To not do so has been a cause for war for CENTURIES...

That you don’t, or refuse to see the difference reveals much.


37 posted on 06/17/2014 9:23:02 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: lodi90
Speaking of circular, one of our resident Bolsheviks was claiming that everyone "knew" that the Russian troops Putin sent into Ukraine were Russian.

So we have come full circle: from denying that they were Russian, to Putin admitting they were Russian, to claiming that everyone knew it anyway.

38 posted on 06/17/2014 9:26:22 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Diplomatic “incidents” during a civil war. I’m outraged.


39 posted on 06/17/2014 9:27:09 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf
What I see is a coup government that can’t get out of it’s own way, killing its own citizens, promising to wipe out their culture after they took power.

Coup government? Ukraine just had an election. Poroshenko was elected. The pro Russian Dobkin got about 2 percent of the vote.

This isn't a coup government and you should know that. But you call it a "coup" government anyway.

40 posted on 06/17/2014 9:39:28 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: tcrlaf
I don't think I've seen any poster here deny that Nazi's exist in Ukraine.

I would add that their are more Nazi's in Russia as well as more communists and more Stalinists?

Do you deny that?

41 posted on 06/17/2014 9:41:47 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

That’s what makes the pro-Russian line so strange. No one denies that Nazis exist, anywhere. Yet the claim is that people deny it, and that the democratically-elected Kiev government is overrun with them. Meanwhile, on this very thread, we are assured that Russia is not communist at any level. And not a peep.


42 posted on 06/17/2014 9:47:07 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

So we have come full circle: from denying that they were Russian, to Putin admitting they were Russian, to claiming that everyone knew it anyway.


Exactly. Similarly, they call other people Nazis while supporting one party state Russia while it conducts transnational unlawful warfare on it’s neighbor(s). The world can see who the real “nazis” are here.


43 posted on 06/17/2014 9:54:44 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: 1rudeboy
If Putin sends troops into Ukraine you'll know it. And he won't be indiscriminately bombing cities.

What you see are volunteers so far. Outraged at seeing mutilated corpses of women and children at the hands of the Kiev junta. This new guy is setting himself up for war crimes trials if there is any justice. But I suspect NATO, the UN and US will look the other way.

44 posted on 06/17/2014 9:56:00 AM PDT by McGruff (ISIS Terror Leader Was Released By Obama from Camp Bucca in 2009)
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To: tcrlaf
That's not the Azov Battalion's symbol, this is:

I thought it was unlikely that a group of at most a few hundred men to have taken the trouble to design something that polished looking. That the Nazi Azov emblem is probably fake is backed up by a Sky News reporter who went and interviewed them and she reported that "several of them had arm patches with the black and white nationalist flag". Black and red, not blue and yellow.

Right-wing certainly, and maybe some members could be called fascists, but Nazis is more of a stretch.

45 posted on 06/17/2014 9:56:09 AM PDT by Corporate Democrat
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To: McGruff
If Putin sends troops into Ukraine you'll know it.

Give it a rest. Putin admitted that the "little green men" were his. So what if he is using proxies, now?

And I will add that Putin knows a few things about indiscriminate bombing.

46 posted on 06/17/2014 9:58:31 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
They set up their strawman and they cling to repeatedly knocking it down.

Meanwhile there isn't anybody with at least an ounce of objectivity who is impressed with it.

47 posted on 06/17/2014 10:02:30 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: billakay

Not communist. Oh please. You also may be blinded by your own bias.


48 posted on 06/17/2014 10:02:59 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: billakay

yeah, so says you.


49 posted on 06/17/2014 10:03:22 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: billakay

I have happened to witness how Russia has screwed over foreign companies on tenders in Russia, instead giving contracts to lower Russian bidders. What do you call that?


50 posted on 06/17/2014 10:04:43 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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