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Is the U.S. still deserving of a 2nd Amendment? (Guess what the answer is.)
Macomb Daily ^ | 06/14/14 | Macomb Daily (?)

Posted on 06/14/2014 12:41:39 PM PDT by holymoly

A news item that emerged a few days ago seemed to encapsulate the increasing helplessness that has gripped America as gun violence reaches new heights.

An Oklahoma company reported that sales of its new product, bullet-proof blankets to protect school children during mass shootings, have “far exceeded our wildest expectations.” Some school officials have determined that the best response to the potential threat of a deranged gunman is to spend $1,000 each on Bodyguard Blankets.

Under normal circumstances, the nation would be engaged in a soul-searching debate about guns, based on the most recent shooting incident.

Which shooting? Santa Barbara? Las Vegas? Troutdale, Oregon? Or all of the above?

Welcome to the new normal.

We have reached a point, with mass shootings occurring nearly on a weekly basis, where our basic freedoms as Americans have collided. The Second Amendment right to bear arms, as rigorously observed, is pushing aside the simple liberty of public safety in everyday life. At the same time, we have lost our collective ability to express outrage when yet another Columbine-style story hits the news.

We’re sliding into a national realm in which the unhinged in our society, mostly young males, believe a nagging emotional problem – even if it’s something as common as girls not liking you – can be solved by pulling a trigger.

A report released last week found that 74 school shootings (including those involving personal issues related to faculty) have occurred nationwide since the Newtown massacre of 18 months ago. President Obama’s response? “We should be ashamed.” The response in Congress? Not much.

So, I have a few questions:

If a parent feels a twinge of fear every day that they send their teenager to school or a family is on edge when going to a shopping center, how does that square with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

When our nation experiences more than 200 shootings per day, have we put far too much weight on gun rights to the detriment of simply having the ability to go to the theater or take a walk on a sunny day?

With our violent culture -- as demonstrated by movies, video games, misogynistic music, a massive prison population and our epidemic of sexual assaults on campuses and in the military -- does the 21st Century United States really deserve an all-encompassing Second Amendment?

With all the anger and anxiety and psychosis simmering in American society, does it make sense that we allow the unfettered purchase of war-style rifles, ammunition drums that fire 100 shots, ultra-deadly hollow-point bullets, and semi-automatic pistols that are more powerful than the guns carried by some police officers?

Certainly, all of our constitutional rights have limits. The 4th Amendment grants me the right to privacy, but it does not prevent the police from obtaining a search warrant for my house. The 1st Amendment gives me the right to free speech, but it does not allow me to slander someone.

Does the Second Amendment, as written for the 18th Century lifestyle, give me the right to carry a modern weapon of war – a semi-automatic, assault-style rifle, slung over my shoulder -- into a restaurant where young children are eating with Mom and Dad?

How can we take pride in a nation where our elected officials won’t close the vast loophole in the background checks system, preventing criminals and those prone to violence from purchasing weapons, or address a woeful mental health system which allows the emotionally disturbed to purchase high-powered firearms?

Mental health professionals warn that far too many severely mentally ill men and boys across America do not receive treatment, particularly emergency treatment when an emotional crisis hits. These are unstable individuals suffering from psychosis – paranoid, ostracized, often isolated, hearing voices and overwhelmed by angry impulses – who “resort to violence to assert their distorted sense of power over their powerlessness,” one psychologist said recently.

Yet, the gun rights groups reneged on their post-Newtown pledge to work with the political establishment to craft legislation making mental health care more accessible and keeping guns out of the hands of these human powder-kegs.

In Colorado, state legislation was introduced earlier this year to establish clear limits on gun rights for the mentally disturbed, and the NRA pounced, blocking the measure. A Colorado-based gun advocacy group outflanked the NRA on the right and defeated a second, watered-down version of the bill.

These state-based gun groups are driving the Second Amendment debate in an ominous direction. The antics of Texas group that recently showed up in restaurants with AR-15-type weapons, a dramatic effort to demonstrate that “open carry” has no limits, drew sharp criticism from the NRA as “dubious,” “scary” and “downright weird.”

But the return fire was so furious, with Open Carry Texas claiming the NRA has become too liberal, that the NRA quickly removed the commentary from its website and blamed it on a single, wayward employee.

These fanatics who dream of their Clint Eastwood moment will never draw the line. They believe that their Second Amendment freedoms are boundless, not just for those with sound minds and adult dispositions.

So, one last question: When did our nation become so weak, collectively and politically, that we allowed the gun nuts to put their agenda ahead of our rights?

At this pace, we’ll all be buying Bodyguard Blankets soon.


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A report released last week found that 74 school shootings (including those involving personal issues related to faculty) have occurred nationwide since the Newtown massacre of 18 months ago.

And that "report" has already been shown to be a fabrication, by multiple media outlets, including CNN, I.E.:

CNN Scrutiny Corners Bloomberg Group As 'Every Liar For Gun Safety,' Says CCRKBA

How many school shooting incidents has the U.S. had since Sandy Hook? PolitiFact Oregon

A closer look: How many school shootings since Newtown?

BTW I wonder if the author is as concerned by the 210,000+ who die, each year, as a result of medical malpractice?:
How Many Die from Medical Mistakes in U.S. Hospitals? (Scientific American)

(The number of people who die from medical malpractice each year dwarfs the number of people who are murdered with a firearm: FBI Uniform Crime Reports: Murder Victims by Weapon, 2008–2012)

1 posted on 06/14/2014 12:41:39 PM PDT by holymoly
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To: holymoly

The answer is more than two hundred years old.


2 posted on 06/14/2014 12:43:19 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Want the First? Keep the Second!


3 posted on 06/14/2014 12:46:02 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: holymoly

I’ll note that these mass shootings didn’t really begin to happen until the 1970s. Rates of gun ownership were higher in the past than what they are today. Explanation?

- We’ve had a population explosion. Families are moved all across the country, and social supports are limited.

- We’ve pretty much given up on marriage. Note that most of these shooters come from divorced parents.

- We’re giving up on religion and have taken on a me-first, narcissistic, phony culture of moral relativism.

- We’re obscessed with sex. Violence is far more prominent than it ever was.

- The concept of honour is completely dead.

- We spend hours of time isolated from one another, typing on keyboards or playing mindless video games with little human interaction.

And the list goes on....All this us what you get with a dying culture.


4 posted on 06/14/2014 12:47:46 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: holymoly
"Deserved"?

Since when are our God-given unalienable rights to life and freedom subject to man's determination of "deserved"?

The 2nd Amendment is not a grant of a right by the Constitution or the government. It is a sampling of inherent rights already in existence. Hence, the wording, "the right...shall not be infringed."

5 posted on 06/14/2014 12:47:59 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: CaspersGh0sts
dying culture???

It dies when we let it!

6 posted on 06/14/2014 12:48:54 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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No, they cannot disguise. They (the obama crowd and lame-stream) can only tell each of U.S. lies.


7 posted on 06/14/2014 12:53:21 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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No ... I Will Not Close My Eyes or Ears!


8 posted on 06/14/2014 12:54:16 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: holymoly

There is no “deserving.” The 2A is God given and enshrined in the Constitution. That is, it acknowledges the pre-existent right that government can neither grant or deny.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 12:54:53 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: CaspersGh0sts

These shootings didn’t start in the 1970s. The 1920s were an incredibly violent time that include the single largest mass killing of children in the Bath Michigan School bombing in 1927 when Andrew Keyhoe killed some 47 people mostly children.

Despite the liberal narrative, America is among the most peaceful nations on the planet.


10 posted on 06/14/2014 12:56:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: holymoly

When I was a child going to school every family I knew had guns in the home. Rifles, shotguns and pistols. In the 12 years I attended school there was not one single shooting at ANY SCHOOL in my entire STATE!
Now if this is a gun issue can you explain why that was that no one killed anyone in a school with a gun for the 12 years?
Honestly not aware that any school shooting occurred in the US in that time period. Plenty of guns, plenty of schools. HUM....... Maybe it is not the guns. Maybe it is something else.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 12:56:42 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

...it acknowledges the pre-existent right that government can neither grant or deny

WELL-SAID


12 posted on 06/14/2014 12:57:20 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: holymoly

If we don’t deserve guns, we don’t deserve any freedom. Which freedom are these homos willing to give up?


13 posted on 06/14/2014 12:57:27 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: no-to-illegals
Want the First? Keep the Second!

+1

14 posted on 06/14/2014 12:58:49 PM PDT by real saxophonist (Shiny!)
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To: holymoly

Under normal circumstances, the nation would be engaged in a soul-searching debate about guns, based on the most recent shooting incident.

Why?
Why not a debate about the lack of mental health facilities?
Or the glorification of violence by Hollywood?
Or the effect of violent video games on children?
Or the removal of God from our schools decades ago?
Or the ever increasing liberalization of our Government and its every is okay just tolerate it attitude?


15 posted on 06/14/2014 1:00:21 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Let’s have some real soul searching? For example, do we really like moral relativism? If not, should we try the best moral law man has ever known?


16 posted on 06/14/2014 1:00:42 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: real saxophonist

Thank you ... cause you are Real! Sometimes we just can’t convince them of the truth ...


17 posted on 06/14/2014 1:02:48 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: holymoly

I just checked. Yep. I still have mine, and Leviathan doesn’t.


18 posted on 06/14/2014 1:05:44 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Happier than a Svoboda skinhead with a free armband.)
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To: Psalm 144

We’re Everywhere ... and they hate U.S. cause we are!


19 posted on 06/14/2014 1:07:05 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

all your points can be smmed up in one: when you kick God out of the country, school and home, don’t be surprised if you get your wish.


20 posted on 06/14/2014 1:08:31 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: holymoly

if we are going to have a frank discussion about gun violence, let’s start with fact that 3% of the population commits 75% of the gun murders.

let’s talk about what “common sense” would say to do about the gun violence problem in this context.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 1:10:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: cripplecreek

22 posted on 06/14/2014 1:12:42 PM PDT by CaspersGh0sts
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To: holymoly
Is the U.S. still deserving of a 2nd Amendment?

Since it isn't written:

The Right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed unless the People deserveth it not

It really doesn't matter, does it?

23 posted on 06/14/2014 1:13:33 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

Ooh a pretty graph.


24 posted on 06/14/2014 1:14:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: holymoly
"Is the U.S. still deserving of a 2nd Amendment?"

The fact that the left would ask such a question is proof that the Founders were 100% correct that we do.

25 posted on 06/14/2014 1:17:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: no-to-illegals

“Welcome to the new normal.”

Screw you and your “new normal”. Who wrote that crap anyway?


26 posted on 06/14/2014 1:20:19 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: holymoly
A news item that emerged a few days ago seemed to encapsulate the increasing helplessness that has gripped America as gun violence reaches new heights.

Bullsuit. Gun violence has not reached new heights and the 2A was and is not contingent on present or future crime statistics.

27 posted on 06/14/2014 1:20:49 PM PDT by umgud
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To: equaviator

sounds like an obama quote.


28 posted on 06/14/2014 1:22:52 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals
"dying culture???

It dies when we let it!"

What kind of people would twice elect a man like Barack Hussein Obama to be their leader?

I'm afraid our once proud American culture died in November 2008 and was pronounced dead in November 2012.

29 posted on 06/14/2014 1:23:37 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war,and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: holymoly

Actually with every terrorist organization on the planet making direct threats against the citizens of this country, what I DESERVE is to have my full rights restored by this criminal government immediately! My rights as defined by our founders ARMS is defined as the standard issue infantry rifle, which is currently being infringed.


30 posted on 06/14/2014 1:23:55 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: holymoly
Funny thing about “rights” they're unalienable!
31 posted on 06/14/2014 1:25:00 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: umgud

They always change the parameters to fit the narrative.


32 posted on 06/14/2014 1:26:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: DJ Taylor

Nope, Not Yet ... I didn’t surrender! Me and Mine are still here! If you surrender, that is okay ... Me and Mine Will Go On Without You!


33 posted on 06/14/2014 1:27:33 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: KingLudd

They take that and they’ll deny your ‘right’ to breath next.


34 posted on 06/14/2014 1:27:34 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: holymoly

More and more our society produces creatures that think this article is the stuff of a convincing argument rather than mock-worthy tripe.


35 posted on 06/14/2014 1:28:21 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: cripplecreek

Screaming Magic, Creek!


36 posted on 06/14/2014 1:28:25 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: no-to-illegals

Now, more than ever


37 posted on 06/14/2014 1:31:28 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: knarf

AMEN!!!


38 posted on 06/14/2014 1:32:09 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: holymoly
Found on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/nagrfb?fref=photo

39 posted on 06/14/2014 1:33:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: CaspersGh0sts; All

The mass shootings *inside of schools* started after the gun free school zone act was passed in 1994.

Disastrous Gun Law Sparked School Shootings

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/disastrous-gun-law-sparked-school.html


40 posted on 06/14/2014 1:34:48 PM PDT by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: holymoly
A news item that emerged a few days ago seemed to encapsulate the increasing helplessness that has gripped America as gun violence reaches new heights.

The author of this dribble has got it wrong in the first sentence.

Gun violence is not reaching new heights. In general, it's been declining for 20 years (dramatically) along with most other categories of crime. There has been a recent uptick in urban areas, but overall the crime rate and gun violence is way, way down.

What is way up is the media coverage of gun violence and ensuring copycat crime by giving the shooters exactly what they want - LOTS of media coverage.

There is a reason sports leagues and the media who cover them generally don't show streakers. They know it only encourages more.

41 posted on 06/14/2014 1:34:49 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: holymoly

All of these commies can burn in hell. The sooner the better.


42 posted on 06/14/2014 1:38:54 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

AMEN!!!


43 posted on 06/14/2014 1:40:43 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: holymoly
Rosie O'Donuts,Shania Twain,Bob Costas and Carl Rowan (youngsters,you'll need to google him) are known to have conflicting attitudes on the Second Amendment and ten bucks says that the author of this editorial does as well.

My attitude on this general subject is...the more that politicians and other government officials *don't* want me to have firearms the *more* I want one.

44 posted on 06/14/2014 1:41:05 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: holymoly

yep, let them guess ... I’m not ruled night or day.


45 posted on 06/14/2014 1:42:43 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Run for cover lame-stream and politicians!


46 posted on 06/14/2014 1:45:43 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: holymoly

They’re still trotting out that 74 school shootings lie. That has been debunked but don’t expect the left to correct themselves. There’s nothing like a good lie to keep the sheeple stirred up.


47 posted on 06/14/2014 1:47:16 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: CaspersGh0sts

I note that according to this graph there was but one mass shooting in the 1950’s, that most wicked and oppressive decade in American history, according to the leftists.....


48 posted on 06/14/2014 1:48:19 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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Yes, Let the lame-stream and the politicians guess ... Might make them Honest and Have Honor Once More.


49 posted on 06/14/2014 1:49:26 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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Come ON! Tell Me I’m Over My Head!


50 posted on 06/14/2014 1:50:23 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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