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Open carry activists armed and visible (ignorant bed-wetter alert)
Dallas Morning News ^ | June 13, 2014 | Doug J. Swanson

Posted on 06/14/2014 9:28:01 AM PDT by holymoly

On street corners and in rallies, the Texas gun rights crowd aims to accustom the public to guns.

DALLAS — “One of them said, ‘You’re going to wish you had a gun, boy, when I fill you full of holes.’ ”

A 35-year-old former Marine, Henry was fresh from an encounter with an increasingly common phenomenon in North Texas: an Open Carry rally, where advocates gather in public places with semi-automatic rifles.

Henry said he simply wanted to make a video of the Memorial Day demonstration by the small but well-armed crowd. Then tempers rose and some curses flew. He left, and before long, he said, hostile phone calls began rolling in.

Thus far, Henry said last week, no violent action has followed. But he and many others worry about the combination of inflamed passions, heated arguments and loaded weapons.

“You know what’s going to happen,” Henry said. “Sooner or later somebody is going to start shooting. … Someone is going to get killed.”

HOTBED OF THE MOVEMENT

Opponents and advocates agree on one thing: Texas has emerged as the hotbed of the open carry movement. Its adherents stand on street corners and parade in other venues with their rifles and shotguns. One of their intents is to accustom the public to the routine display of firearms – even military-style semi-automatic rifles.

Semi-automatics can be fired rapidly because they load from a multi-round magazine. In Texas, no permit or training is required to own or use them.

Open carry activists say they ensure that their gatherings are safe and civil. Participants are urged to practice gun safety and avoid hostile encounters.

“We’re under a microscope,” the organizer of a recent Tarrant County rally warned those about to march. “Our enemies are watching us.”

But some of their tactics –such as entering stores and restaurants with their rifles on full display – are seen by some as needlessly provocative. “Is that the person you want standing next to you at Target?” said Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

She, too, believes violence could erupt soon. “I think it’s only a matter of time before something horrific happens.”

Open Carry organizers dismiss Watts and her supporters as extremists who fan irrational fears. “They’re dishonest,” said C.J. Grisham, founder of Open Carry Texas. “They’re emotional activists.”

Grisham said his group, now at 18,000 members, has mounted a public relations offensive, encouraging press coverage of its rallies. “We’re trying to get the real story out there,” he said. “We’re just trying to counter the negative perception that we have.”

Open Carry Texas supporter Robert Beverly of Fort Worth echoed the message. “These guys aren’t nuts,” he said. “We’re not loons. We aren’t dummies.”

Yet many open carry jamborees are thick with those who, while not seeking armed conflict on city streets, are ready for it. Beverly, 54, said he has joined a militia, through which he has received tactical and weapons training.

He is concerned, he said, about widespread civil disturbances or extensive societal breakdown. “I want to be able to respond to any incident,” he said.

Another Open Carry member, Mark Thompson of Garland, had similar thoughts. “Say if there’s ever a coup in the United States,” he said. “We would have the means to protect ourselves.”

Others worry about threats that, though smaller in scale, may be no less lethal.

“This is the safest corner in America,” Robert Perez declared as he waved a “Don’t Tread on Me” flag late last month at a rally in Haltom City. He was joined there by a dozen or so armed compatriots. “There’s nobody getting robbed here,” he said.

Perez, a 45-year-old auto mechanic from Arlington, carried an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle on his back. The chamber was empty, but he kept a loaded 30-round magazine attached to this gun. He could squeeze off multiple rounds in a matter of seconds.

READY TO FIRE

“I do have ammo just in case,” he said. “We have a lot of people who take issue with what I’m doing.”

Firing on attackers, Perez said, might be his only option. The doleful roll of American mass murder sites — Sandy Hook, Aurora, Virginia Tech, Columbine – often is invoked in the debate over semi-automatic weapons. Gun control advocates use them as rallying points. A semi-automatic rifle was used in the Connecticut school shootings in which 20 children were killed.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; opencarry; texas
The death threats began...about an hour after the confrontation....he said, hostile phone calls began rolling in.

And how did they know this guys name, much less his phone number? Is there any independent verification of this?

Semi-automatics can be fired rapidly because they load from a multi-round magazine.

Lol. And what does this ignorant imbecile think many/most bolt-action rifles load from?

He could squeeze off multiple rounds in a matter of seconds.

O Nose!!! (I can do exactly the same thing with my No4 Mk2 Lee Enfield.)

1 posted on 06/14/2014 9:28:01 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: holymoly

These idiots think muzzleloaders are semi auto.


2 posted on 06/14/2014 9:32:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

They are when you attach the 30-round high capacity magazine to them. And don’t forget the bayonet lugs that are integral to these things. Attaching a bayonet makes them fully automatic.


3 posted on 06/14/2014 9:37:21 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: holymoly
Is there any independent verification of this?

There was but the e-mails that prove it were inadvertently deleted.

4 posted on 06/14/2014 9:38:34 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: cripplecreek

He seems to not be aware that handguns are semi-automatic


5 posted on 06/14/2014 9:39:02 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: holymoly

Doesn’t the Lee Enfield have the fastest bolt action known to man? I’ve fired ten rounds from my No.1 MkIII* like nobody’s business without taking it from the shoulder.

But I do have a question: this liberal nutcake’s panicky screed aside, why don’t we see more open carry people toting some of the classics: Springfield, Mauser, Enfield, Garand, even Vietnam era SKS? Why do nearly all those shown carry AR-15 or variants?


6 posted on 06/14/2014 9:40:02 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: cripplecreek

But, but some of them are FIFTY CALIBER and can shoot down airplanes! :-O

Or so I’ve been told by the faint hearts. ;-D


7 posted on 06/14/2014 9:41:02 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: holymoly

“Sooner or later somebody is going to start shooting. … Someone is going to get killed.”

You have legally armed Americans on one side, also exercising their freedoms of speech and assembly, and in a peaceable manner; on the other, an obnoxious, unarmed screwball, `marching to a different drummer, filming them, `egging them on’ and threatening them with gun confiscation, but too cowardly to call it what it is, so he uses the weasel words: “gun control”.
He may be right, there may be shooting.


8 posted on 06/14/2014 9:48:56 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: elcid1970

I think the AR-15 variants are just popular these days but there are plenty of people who prefer the classics.

One of the big cases in Michigan in recent years was the kid who was arrested for carrying the M1 he got for his birthday. He won his court case BTW.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 9:49:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: holymoly

Overtime this is probably the best strategy.

The only way people are going to stop fearing the presence of guns irrationally is to get uses to them.


10 posted on 06/14/2014 10:18:29 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: holymoly
Semi-automatics can be fired rapidly because they load from a multi-round magazine. In Texas, no permit or training is required to own or use them.

ROFL! Just as there's no permit or training required to use a word processor despite the fact that Doug J. Swanson cranks out such stupid stories with them.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 10:34:43 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: elcid1970
Doesn’t the Lee Enfield have the fastest bolt action known to man?

There are some straight-pull bolt actions (I.E. Schmidt-Rubin) which may be faster.

As far as the Enfield, Wikipedia states:  "The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army—Sergeant Instructor Snoxall—who placed 38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide (300 mm) target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute."

Good question. My first choice would be my SKS carbine (which the ignorant media refers to as an "assault rifle"). Still, I wouldn't hesitate to carry my No4 Mk2.

12 posted on 06/14/2014 10:34:52 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: holymoly

I fired my SKS on the farm yesterday. No accessories, no tacticool, not even a butt pad.

The Lee Enfield’s got some slap but not this one, I add it to my list of guns that will make me use up ammo just to enjoy firing it.

Best for comfort when shooting 5.56mm? The Israeli Golani. All steel except the buttstock.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 10:46:25 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: holymoly
Woops. I forget to quote the previous posters question regarding carrying something other than ARs. Anyway.,.

(Need more caffeine.)

14 posted on 06/14/2014 10:46:38 AM PDT by holymoly
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To: cripplecreek

“Is that the person you want standing next to you at Target?” said Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America”

Why yes I do. :-)


15 posted on 06/14/2014 10:52:36 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Monorprise

Open carry is educational.

The number of incidents of people being harassed by police here in Michigan seems to be going down. They still show up and ask a few questions but its only because people hiding in darkened houses call them.


16 posted on 06/14/2014 11:01:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: holymoly

I think one of the best PR campaigns would use an old technique: teaching women’s self defense. But with a twist.

“Do you have a restraining order against an abusive or dangerous person? You need a gun and to know how to use it. Let us help.”

This works in several ways. For example, the anti-gun people have no effective way of attacking it. “No, you must rely on the police to protect you.” “No, they will take your gun and use it against you.” “No, if you shoot them, you will make them mad.”


17 posted on 06/14/2014 11:26:59 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I viewed the opening sentence this way: (some words replaced by me)
“...the national gay rights crowd aims to accustom the public to gay sex.”

Sounds a bit like someone who supported the desensitization of one issue complaining about the same effort with respect to the 2nd Amendment right.

Using the rules and methods of the left somehow upsets the left. Go figure.


18 posted on 06/14/2014 11:52:56 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: cripplecreek

Uhhh, they’re not?!


19 posted on 06/14/2014 1:53:29 PM PDT by Ron H. (Impeach, Indict & Imprison the lying thieving criminal Barak Hussein Obama.)
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To: Monorprise
The only way people are going to stop fearing the presence of guns irrationally is to get uses to them.

I happen to agree.

20 posted on 06/14/2014 1:56:04 PM PDT by Ron H. (Impeach, Indict & Imprison the lying thieving criminal Barak Hussein Obama.)
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To: holymoly
.... Thus far, Henry said last week, no violent action has followed. But he and many others worry about the combination of inflamed passions, heated arguments and loaded weapons.

“You know what’s going to happen,” Henry said. “Sooner or later somebody is going to start shooting. … Someone is going to get killed.”

Henry you sound rather disappointed that hasn't happened yet. I would think that if you and your fellow crybaby panty-wetters keep showing up and belligerently harassing or otherwise simply stalking these law abiding citizens for simply exercising their rights you might accidentally go too far and push someone over the edge and end up with exactly what you are advocating.

I seriously doubt it would be one of these organized and trained Open Carry folks but more than likely from a mentally ill liberal left-wing-nut (that we've seen so much of in these type of mass shootings) wanting to show off his lack of sense and mental illness. The kind that like to shoot up schools full of small children and other innocent bystanders and where carrying a weapon concealed or openly is strictly prohibited by ill conceive laws and liberal anti-gun politicians.

I'm thinking of contacting the group in Huntsville and volunteering to show up but not carry any weapon except maybe an empty rifle sleeve/case symbolizing my support. Maybe a panty wetter won't pee in their pants upon seeing me.

21 posted on 06/14/2014 2:22:38 PM PDT by Ron H. (Impeach, Indict & Imprison the lying thieving criminal Barak Hussein Obama.)
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To: holymoly
And how did they know this guys name, much less his phone number?

If you haven't been keeping up with what the open carry nutjobs are up to, the victim had his business name and phone number on the back of his vehicle.

I was somewhat sympathetic to open carry until the nutjobs crawled out of the woodwork. (Starting with the now-deceased Meleanie Hain).

22 posted on 06/14/2014 2:50:41 PM PDT by PAR35
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