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Article V Constitution: Mount Vernon Assembly [Live Web Stream Now! Today (6-12) & Tomorrow]
http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/house_video_archive/# ^ | 6/12/14 | Rich B

Posted on 06/12/2014 6:25:45 AM PDT by CharlieFiveAlpha

The Mount Vernon Assembly – Indianapolis

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Contact: Skip Brown skip.brown@iga.in.gov 317-232-9521

The Mount Vernon Assembly to Meet at Indiana Statehouse June 12 and 13

INDIANAPOLIS (June 9, 2014) – More than 100 state legislators representing 33 states will meet at the Indiana Statehouse in Indianapolis on June 12 and 13 to continue establishing the rules and procedures needed for a future state-led convention for proposing amendments to the U.S. Constitution, as authorized by Article V of the Constitution. The meeting is a continuation of efforts that began in December 2013 at George Washington’s historic Mount Vernon estate in Virginia.

The Mount Vernon Assembly – Indianapolis will not be considering any specific constitutional amendments. Rather, it will focus on building the framework needed to hold a potential amendment convention in the future, should one be called by the states under Article V of the U.S. Constitution. MEETING ITINERARY: The meeting is scheduled to begin at 9 a.m. ET on June 12 and June 13. A full itinerary for The Mount Vernon Assembly – Indianapolis is attached.

PUBLIC VIEWING AREAS: For members of the public wishing to be in the Statehouse during the event, there will be a public viewing area on the second floor, north atrium of the Statehouse with television monitors displaying a live Internet stream of the meeting.

LIVE INTERNET STREAM: The Mount Vernon Assembly – Indianapolis will be streamed live online. Those wishing to view the live Internet stream remotely should use the following links: · Main sessions in the Indiana House Chamber can be viewed here (click on “House Chamber”): http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/house_video_archive/# · The breakout session of the Rules and Procedures Committee can be viewed here (click on “Senate Chamber”): http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/senate_video_archive/ · The breakout session of the Judiciary Committee can be viewed here (click on “Room 404”): http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/house_video_archive/# · The breakout session of the Planning, Communications and Finance Committee can be viewed here (click on “Room 431”): http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/senate_video_archive/#

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The Mount Vernon Assembly is today. You can follow it!
1 posted on 06/12/2014 6:25:45 AM PDT by CharlieFiveAlpha
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha

Charlie, thank you for sharing this! Listening to this now. It’s exciting hearing the many elected officials from all over the country who are attending this meeting in Indianapolis. I have been adding States as I hear them, and it sounds like every single State is represented there.


2 posted on 06/12/2014 6:43:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

What states are represented?


3 posted on 06/12/2014 6:49:08 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: RoadGumby

Sounds like every single State is represented there. Listen now, it’s happening now.


4 posted on 06/12/2014 6:50:03 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha

Is there a summary of the amendment(s) they are proposing? This could be very good... or very bad.


5 posted on 06/12/2014 6:51:30 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha

Near-infinite money buys near-infinite government. And how does the organizational dynamic of bureaucrats with near-infinite money behave? The Iron Law of Bureaucracy says they will expand their power and control until some other power stops them. Back when government spending was limited by what the taxpayers were willing to pay for, the primary constraint upon government was that there simply was not enough money to fund every foolish bureaucratic desire. So, government tended to be forced to pay attention to its legal and Constitutional responsibilities first in proper priority. Now, with near-infinite money, there are far fewer spending constraints, and thus it is far easier for bureaucracies to run amok.

Secondly, bureaucracies can even entertain their darkest worries about what threats might challenge their powers. Thus we see the rise in private bureaucrat armies. What founding father would have thought that the government’s own property management agency, the Bureau of Land Management, would need a sniper team? How else do we explain the auditors for the Department of Education really need to carry sidearms?

Third, in a world of electronic information, government has given itself permission to destroy the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, just in case someone comes to their attention.

Every day more people are coming to the judgment that a carefully organized effort to repair the constitution via the States’ power to propose and ratify amendments has less risk to our liberty and prosperity than the present trajectory of the federal government and especially the federal bureaucracy.


6 posted on 06/12/2014 6:53:32 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat
Every day more people are coming to the judgment that a carefully organized effort to repair the constitution via the States’ power to propose and ratify amendments has less risk to our liberty and prosperity than the present trajectory of the federal government and especially the federal bureaucracy.

I disagree. I think the powers that be are not worthy to carry the shoes of the original framers. I'd rather have a worthy Constitution not followed, than an unworthy one that is followed.

A constitutional convention is a terrible error.

7 posted on 06/12/2014 7:02:31 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha

When all else fails, why not trying to use the Constitution we presently have?


8 posted on 06/12/2014 7:20:19 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: xzins; Bushbacker1
A constitutional convention is a terrible error.

If it's anything like the Convention of States proposed by the Citizens for Self-Governance, it will not be a "Constitution Convention" but an Article V Convention of States with an agenda LIMITED to proposing amendments that cuts the size of government and limits taxes. It's a very hopeful effort.

An actual "Constitutional Convention" is itself illegal and unconstitutional.

9 posted on 06/12/2014 7:47:26 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha

I didn’t get in from the beginning. Does this have to do with the fact that some states want to do away with the electoral college?


10 posted on 06/12/2014 8:11:15 AM PDT by Spunky (BIG GOVERNMENT MAKES SMALLER CITIZENS.)
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To: PapaNew

There is nothing in the Constitution that limits what a convention can propose.

Article 5: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;


11 posted on 06/12/2014 8:20:12 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Interesting.

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12 posted on 06/12/2014 8:28:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Bushbacker1

Why, that would be as radical as trying the immigration legislation we already have!


13 posted on 06/12/2014 8:29:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Spunky

No. This is a meeting to discuss setting up rules for a convention of the states to amend the Constitution.


14 posted on 06/12/2014 8:42:35 AM PDT by CharlieFiveAlpha
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha
"This is a meeting to discuss setting up rules for a convention of the states to amend the Constitution.

In the long run though isn't that the reason they want to amend it, is to get rid of the electoral collage so popular votes not delegates decide the presidency? Which I am 100% against.

15 posted on 06/12/2014 8:50:50 AM PDT by Spunky (BIG GOVERNMENT MAKES SMALLER CITIZENS.)
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To: xzins

This is what I’m in favor of - check it out.

http://conventionofstates.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/COS_Handbook.pdf


16 posted on 06/12/2014 8:50:54 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: xzins; Travis McGee

Hmmmmmm. I’ll be watching this with a wary eye.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 9:02:45 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: xzins

” I’d rather have a worthy Constitution not followed, than an unworthy one that is followed.”

It is my position that the risks posed by the current trajectory of the government under the Constitution, as the three branches allow it to be interpreted, is now clearly more dangerous to liberty taken as a whole, than the risks that the States will propose something that erodes or destroys our rights and that the supermajority of States will ratify any such changes.


18 posted on 06/12/2014 9:19:55 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha

- Obama is playing golf and on his cellphone to El-Quaboing… Good morning Iraq!


19 posted on 06/12/2014 9:21:39 AM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: xzins

http://conventionofstates.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/COS_Handbook.pdf

Within the limited scope of the subject of limiting the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, example of topics for proposed amendments are.
- A balanced budget amendment.
- Reducing federal spending power (fixing the General Welfare Clause).
- Reducing federal regulatory power (fixing the Commerce Clause).
- A prohibition of using international treaties and law to govern the domestic law of the United States.
- Limitation on Executive Orders and Administrative Agency Law.
- Imposing substaive checks on the Souprem Court including term limits.
- A limit on federal taxation.

The only one I don’t support is the balanced budget amendment because it gives politicians “wiggle room” to justify raising taxes. The key is LIMITING SPENDING and the size of the federal government. I would also add another topic for a proposed amendment.

- Limit federal enforcement power over the first ten amendments (fix the 14th Amendment to its original intent: ONLY a prohibition on state segregation laws (as confirmed by the Supreme Court in the Slaughterhouse Cases of 1872)).


20 posted on 06/12/2014 9:36:11 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

Thanks for the link, PapaNew.

I’m sure you want the best, but I still see no way, given the brief description in the Constitution, to keep such a convention out of the hands of the power brokers who infest EVERY state legislature as well as our national legislature.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 9:39:00 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: PapaNew

I’d like to see an amendment that requires an annual, nothing off budget, before expenditures, detailed budget with a requirement to follow it. There is now no requirement to have a budget, only a constitutional requirement of a report of past expenditures.

It would be nice for it to be balanced, but I’d be tickled just to start at step one and have an enforceable, visible budget of every expenditure with the only exception being a declared war after a budget is passed, and that being part of every subsequent budget.


22 posted on 06/12/2014 9:45:32 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha

How do I see the party breakdown of those attending? That may be telling.


23 posted on 06/12/2014 9:45:34 AM PDT by lilyramone (The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary)
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To: Jacquerie

Ping


24 posted on 06/12/2014 9:50:58 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Graewoulf

Maybe we won’t have to go to DC to drag those scoundrels out by their scruffs after all.


25 posted on 06/12/2014 9:56:23 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: xzins
Well, Article V itself limits a convention of states to proposing "Amendments to this Constitution." The CSG-proposed CoS outlines many safeguards against a rogue effort succeeding. And I agree with the premise:

"At the end of the day [we're close to 'the end of the day'] we must trust either Congress or the States. Recent history makes that an easy choice. Washington, D.C., is clearly the greatest danger to our liberty."

Having said all that, I don't believe men or States alone are capable of saving this country. IMO, like the creation and preservation of our country, if America is to have "a new birth of freedom", it will be from God's merciful hand of grace.

I'm a-hopin'.

26 posted on 06/12/2014 10:09:16 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: reed13

bfl


27 posted on 06/12/2014 10:36:16 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Bushbacker1; 9YearLurker
When all else fails, why not trying to use the Constitution we presently have?

Because the 17th Amendment destroyed the careful division of power designed into the Framers' constitution.

The experiment of one hundred years' reliance on the virtue of elected federal politicians is a proven disaster. Until the states are returned to the senate, more Obamas are a certainty.

28 posted on 06/12/2014 10:46:54 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: PapaNew
Your amendments largely address the symptoms and not the sickness that ails our nation.

Structural amendments, like those proposed by Mark Levin are needed.

29 posted on 06/12/2014 10:49:41 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan; Resolute Conservative; VerySadAmerican; Nuc 1.1; MamaTexan; Political Junkie Too; ...

Thanks.

Article V ping!


30 posted on 06/12/2014 10:50:50 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha
The federal government is broken. Our only Constitutional redress is Article V and a Convention of States.

Research links on the Article V process and the Liberty Amendments:

Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A good introduction.

'Convention of states' to rein in government? Another great summary explanation.

The Case for an Article V. Convention. Fantastic explanation of Article V convention to the Mass State Legislature.

I would recommend watching the above three videos first and then:

Convention of States Lots of information here.

A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie

Chapter 1 of Mark Levin’s Book, The Liberty Amendments

Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments

Article V Project to Restore Liberty

Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States

Citizens for Self Governance: Convention of States Project – a hub of 15 youtube videos on the Convention of States

Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub

Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin

Amendments Convention Links

Gaining Steam? Nearly 100 Lawmakers Descend on Mount Vernon to Talk Convention of States The beginning.

Convention to Propose Amendments to the United States Constitution

The Other Way to Amend the Constitution: The Article V Constitutional Convention Amendment Process

Friends of Article V Convention Links

Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th!

Article V Convention: Path of Least Resistance by Robert Berry

The Final Constitutional Option

Article V Handbook - for State Legislators An important resource.

State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!

Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.

Sample Letter to state Representatives regarding the Convention of States Project and also, Talking Points. Both from Here.

Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie

Let’s all work together to get this going.

31 posted on 06/12/2014 10:54:34 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: xzins
There is nothing in the Constitution that limits what a convention can propose.

As recent events show, there is no countervailing force to limit Obama.

American style tyranny isn't a theory. It is here.

There is one peaceful way to deal with it. Article V.

32 posted on 06/12/2014 10:56:04 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie
I was listing the CSG examples of topics for amendments, not the amendments themselves, all of which I agree with except for something leading to a balanced budget amendment.
33 posted on 06/12/2014 11:03:07 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Jacquerie

Like I’ve written elsewhere, I’d rather have a wholesome Constitution that clearly lists our system and our freedoms, even if the politicians subvert it and willingly don’t follow it, than have an unwholesome Constitution that undermines freedom and that everyone promotes following.

At least there’s the chance of folks some day waking up and reading it.


34 posted on 06/12/2014 11:12:00 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha

http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/house_video_archive/

The video stream not available.

Got any other links?


35 posted on 06/12/2014 11:21:28 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: CharlieFiveAlpha; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...

Combined General and Maryland “Freak State” PING!


36 posted on 06/12/2014 12:58:50 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Of COURSE bacon is good for you!!!)
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To: Spunky
"isn't that the reason they want to amend it, is to get rid of the electoral collage"

No. I'm not sure what you mean by "they", but it appears that you are confusing this with the "Popular Vote Compact" which I also oppose. It (theoretically) would not require an amendment. Please try Google.

37 posted on 06/12/2014 1:32:01 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: xzins
"I still see no way, given the brief description in the Constitution, to keep such a convention out of the hands of the power brokers"

There is much historical precedent from the colonial period when such conventions were held often and followed consistent rules.

The limiting factor is ratification. The convention is merely replacing Congress in the process and cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.

38 posted on 06/12/2014 1:39:13 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: lilyramone
"How do I see the party breakdown of those attending?"

Since each state will have one vote (based on historical precedent), the party breakdown would likely be similar to the breakdown of the states.

39 posted on 06/12/2014 1:43:05 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: PapaNew

I’m sorry, no. When they are on a break, there is a logo that is displayed. There is a half day session tomorrow where they discuss the results of the breakout sessions.


40 posted on 06/12/2014 2:09:24 PM PDT by CharlieFiveAlpha
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To: mn-bush-man

Done right, the risk is minimal. Do nothing, and our fate is already sealed. There is no choice.


41 posted on 06/12/2014 6:15:03 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Bushbacker1

Right.

Why change something we don’t use.

Impeachment of the tyrant is first order; this stuff plays into the democrats hands.


42 posted on 06/12/2014 6:16:51 PM PDT by Loud Mime (arguetheconstitution.com Check it out.)
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To: xzins

You need to get up to speed.

http://conventionofstates.com/welcome/


43 posted on 06/12/2014 6:17:23 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Spunky

Get up to speed:

http://conventionofstates.com/welcome/


44 posted on 06/12/2014 6:18:15 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: xzins

Get up to speed:

http://conventionofstates.com/welcome/

Done right, the risk is minimal. Do nothing, and our fate is already sealed. The greatest risk is in doing nothing. The issues to be considered at a “convention of states” can be limited by each state using the same limiting language in their petition to Congress. Again, you are confusing people because you don’t understand the proposed process. Get the facts first, then engage.


45 posted on 06/12/2014 6:21:10 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Larry Lucido

Get up to speed:

http://conventionofstates.com/welcome/


46 posted on 06/12/2014 6:21:41 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: xzins

Use the link—then read it.


47 posted on 06/12/2014 6:22:27 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: lilyramone

We have enough Red States right now. But the window is closing. If the RATS set off the Amnesty Bomb, we will lose that advantage quickly.


48 posted on 06/12/2014 6:23:37 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Elections only get us so far—the system corrupts them faster than we can vote them out.

http://conventionofstates.com/welcome/


49 posted on 06/12/2014 6:24:20 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Art in Idaho

GREAT POST. Thank you so much.


50 posted on 06/12/2014 6:26:07 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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