Skip to comments.Article V Constitution: Mount Vernon Assembly [Live Web Stream Now! Today (6-12) & Tomorrow]
Posted on 06/12/2014 6:25:45 AM PDT by CharlieFiveAlpha
The Mount Vernon Assembly Indianapolis
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The Mount Vernon Assembly to Meet at Indiana Statehouse June 12 and 13
INDIANAPOLIS (June 9, 2014) More than 100 state legislators representing 33 states will meet at the Indiana Statehouse in Indianapolis on June 12 and 13 to continue establishing the rules and procedures needed for a future state-led convention for proposing amendments to the U.S. Constitution, as authorized by Article V of the Constitution. The meeting is a continuation of efforts that began in December 2013 at George Washingtons historic Mount Vernon estate in Virginia.
The Mount Vernon Assembly Indianapolis will not be considering any specific constitutional amendments. Rather, it will focus on building the framework needed to hold a potential amendment convention in the future, should one be called by the states under Article V of the U.S. Constitution. MEETING ITINERARY: The meeting is scheduled to begin at 9 a.m. ET on June 12 and June 13. A full itinerary for The Mount Vernon Assembly Indianapolis is attached.
PUBLIC VIEWING AREAS: For members of the public wishing to be in the Statehouse during the event, there will be a public viewing area on the second floor, north atrium of the Statehouse with television monitors displaying a live Internet stream of the meeting.
LIVE INTERNET STREAM: The Mount Vernon Assembly Indianapolis will be streamed live online. Those wishing to view the live Internet stream remotely should use the following links: · Main sessions in the Indiana House Chamber can be viewed here (click on House Chamber): http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/house_video_archive/# · The breakout session of the Rules and Procedures Committee can be viewed here (click on Senate Chamber): http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/senate_video_archive/ · The breakout session of the Judiciary Committee can be viewed here (click on Room 404): http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/house_video_archive/# · The breakout session of the Planning, Communications and Finance Committee can be viewed here (click on Room 431): http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2014/session/senate_video_archive/#
Charlie, thank you for sharing this! Listening to this now. It’s exciting hearing the many elected officials from all over the country who are attending this meeting in Indianapolis. I have been adding States as I hear them, and it sounds like every single State is represented there.
What states are represented?
Sounds like every single State is represented there. Listen now, it’s happening now.
Is there a summary of the amendment(s) they are proposing? This could be very good... or very bad.
Near-infinite money buys near-infinite government. And how does the organizational dynamic of bureaucrats with near-infinite money behave? The Iron Law of Bureaucracy says they will expand their power and control until some other power stops them. Back when government spending was limited by what the taxpayers were willing to pay for, the primary constraint upon government was that there simply was not enough money to fund every foolish bureaucratic desire. So, government tended to be forced to pay attention to its legal and Constitutional responsibilities first in proper priority. Now, with near-infinite money, there are far fewer spending constraints, and thus it is far easier for bureaucracies to run amok.
Secondly, bureaucracies can even entertain their darkest worries about what threats might challenge their powers. Thus we see the rise in private bureaucrat armies. What founding father would have thought that the government’s own property management agency, the Bureau of Land Management, would need a sniper team? How else do we explain the auditors for the Department of Education really need to carry sidearms?
Third, in a world of electronic information, government has given itself permission to destroy the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, just in case someone comes to their attention.
Every day more people are coming to the judgment that a carefully organized effort to repair the constitution via the States’ power to propose and ratify amendments has less risk to our liberty and prosperity than the present trajectory of the federal government and especially the federal bureaucracy.
I disagree. I think the powers that be are not worthy to carry the shoes of the original framers. I'd rather have a worthy Constitution not followed, than an unworthy one that is followed.
A constitutional convention is a terrible error.
When all else fails, why not trying to use the Constitution we presently have?
If it's anything like the Convention of States proposed by the Citizens for Self-Governance, it will not be a "Constitution Convention" but an Article V Convention of States with an agenda LIMITED to proposing amendments that cuts the size of government and limits taxes. It's a very hopeful effort.
An actual "Constitutional Convention" is itself illegal and unconstitutional.
I didn’t get in from the beginning. Does this have to do with the fact that some states want to do away with the electoral college?
There is nothing in the Constitution that limits what a convention can propose.
Article 5: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;
Why, that would be as radical as trying the immigration legislation we already have!
No. This is a meeting to discuss setting up rules for a convention of the states to amend the Constitution.
In the long run though isn't that the reason they want to amend it, is to get rid of the electoral collage so popular votes not delegates decide the presidency? Which I am 100% against.
This is what I’m in favor of - check it out.
Hmmmmmm. I’ll be watching this with a wary eye.
” I’d rather have a worthy Constitution not followed, than an unworthy one that is followed.”
It is my position that the risks posed by the current trajectory of the government under the Constitution, as the three branches allow it to be interpreted, is now clearly more dangerous to liberty taken as a whole, than the risks that the States will propose something that erodes or destroys our rights and that the supermajority of States will ratify any such changes.
- Obama is playing golf and on his cellphone to El-Quaboing Good morning Iraq!
Within the limited scope of the subject of limiting the power and jurisdiction of the federal government, example of topics for proposed amendments are.
- A balanced budget amendment.
- Reducing federal spending power (fixing the General Welfare Clause).
- Reducing federal regulatory power (fixing the Commerce Clause).
- A prohibition of using international treaties and law to govern the domestic law of the United States.
- Limitation on Executive Orders and Administrative Agency Law.
- Imposing substaive checks on the Souprem Court including term limits.
- A limit on federal taxation.
The only one I dont support is the balanced budget amendment because it gives politicians wiggle room to justify raising taxes. The key is LIMITING SPENDING and the size of the federal government. I would also add another topic for a proposed amendment.
- Limit federal enforcement power over the first ten amendments (fix the 14th Amendment to its original intent: ONLY a prohibition on state segregation laws (as confirmed by the Supreme Court in the Slaughterhouse Cases of 1872)).
Thanks for the link, PapaNew.
I’m sure you want the best, but I still see no way, given the brief description in the Constitution, to keep such a convention out of the hands of the power brokers who infest EVERY state legislature as well as our national legislature.
I’d like to see an amendment that requires an annual, nothing off budget, before expenditures, detailed budget with a requirement to follow it. There is now no requirement to have a budget, only a constitutional requirement of a report of past expenditures.
It would be nice for it to be balanced, but I’d be tickled just to start at step one and have an enforceable, visible budget of every expenditure with the only exception being a declared war after a budget is passed, and that being part of every subsequent budget.
How do I see the party breakdown of those attending? That may be telling.
Maybe we won’t have to go to DC to drag those scoundrels out by their scruffs after all.
"At the end of the day [we're close to 'the end of the day'] we must trust either Congress or the States. Recent history makes that an easy choice. Washington, D.C., is clearly the greatest danger to our liberty."
Having said all that, I don't believe men or States alone are capable of saving this country. IMO, like the creation and preservation of our country, if America is to have "a new birth of freedom", it will be from God's merciful hand of grace.
Because the 17th Amendment destroyed the careful division of power designed into the Framers' constitution.
The experiment of one hundred years' reliance on the virtue of elected federal politicians is a proven disaster. Until the states are returned to the senate, more Obamas are a certainty.
Structural amendments, like those proposed by Mark Levin are needed.
Article V ping!
Research links on the Article V process and the Liberty Amendments:
Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A good introduction.
'Convention of states' to rein in government? Another great summary explanation.
The Case for an Article V. Convention. Fantastic explanation of Article V convention to the Mass State Legislature.
I would recommend watching the above three videos first and then:
Convention of States Lots of information here.
A Summary of Mark Levins Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie
Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th!
Article V Convention: Path of Least Resistance by Robert Berry
Article V Handbook - for State Legislators An important resource.
State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!
Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.
Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie
Lets all work together to get this going.
As recent events show, there is no countervailing force to limit Obama.
American style tyranny isn't a theory. It is here.
There is one peaceful way to deal with it. Article V.
Like I’ve written elsewhere, I’d rather have a wholesome Constitution that clearly lists our system and our freedoms, even if the politicians subvert it and willingly don’t follow it, than have an unwholesome Constitution that undermines freedom and that everyone promotes following.
At least there’s the chance of folks some day waking up and reading it.
The video stream not available.
Got any other links?
Combined General and Maryland “Freak State” PING!
No. I'm not sure what you mean by "they", but it appears that you are confusing this with the "Popular Vote Compact" which I also oppose. It (theoretically) would not require an amendment. Please try Google.
There is much historical precedent from the colonial period when such conventions were held often and followed consistent rules.
The limiting factor is ratification. The convention is merely replacing Congress in the process and cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
Since each state will have one vote (based on historical precedent), the party breakdown would likely be similar to the breakdown of the states.
I’m sorry, no. When they are on a break, there is a logo that is displayed. There is a half day session tomorrow where they discuss the results of the breakout sessions.
Done right, the risk is minimal. Do nothing, and our fate is already sealed. There is no choice.
Why change something we don’t use.
Impeachment of the tyrant is first order; this stuff plays into the democrats hands.
You need to get up to speed.
Get up to speed:
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Done right, the risk is minimal. Do nothing, and our fate is already sealed. The greatest risk is in doing nothing. The issues to be considered at a “convention of states” can be limited by each state using the same limiting language in their petition to Congress. Again, you are confusing people because you don’t understand the proposed process. Get the facts first, then engage.
Get up to speed:
Use the link—then read it.
We have enough Red States right now. But the window is closing. If the RATS set off the Amnesty Bomb, we will lose that advantage quickly.
Elections only get us so far—the system corrupts them faster than we can vote them out.
GREAT POST. Thank you so much.