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The Madness Of Crowds And The Great Insanity (the coming economic collapse)
Zerohedge ^ | June 8, 2014 | Ty Andros

Posted on 06/08/2014 6:42:22 PM PDT by Perseverando

Never in my 30+ year career as a market observer have I seen so many out on a limb which is about to be SAWED OFF. Those who live within the matrix are fully loaded for a recovery which is not and will not appear. Nominally the Main stream media can proclaim ECONOMIC recovery has arrived, point to the rising developed world stock markets, seemingly benign bond markets of all categories: sovereign, investment grade and Junk, Private equity, corporate buy backs and more have priced in “Happy Days are here again”. HFT, unrestrained leverage in a financially repressed world and Quantitative easing have done the rest in pushing financial assets to heights rarely, if ever, seen. Volatility is at all-time lows in most markets and investor confidence at superhuman levels. Like a boat where all the passengers are on one side of the boat and it is about to capsize, investors similarly have no fear.

“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”

- Friedrich Nietzsche

The central banks have created moral hazard on a scale which is simply unbelievable and set a stage for a bonfire of the vanities seldom, if ever, seen in history. In fact, nothing I can see rivals it.

“Over a protracted period of good times, capitalist economies tend to move from a financial structure dominated by hedge finance units to a structure in which there is a large weight to units engaged in speculative and Ponzi finance. . . . The greater the weight of speculative and Ponzi finance, the smaller the overall margins of safety in the economy and the greater the fragility of the financial structure.”

- Hyman Minsky, 1992

Professional Investors who have spent a lifetime playing these contrarian opportunities offered by human behavior are being carried out on stretchers as historic market behaviors fail to materialize. So the financial imbalances and historic overvaluations just grow and grow and when they are resolved only God knows. In my opinion, it isn’t materializing because many markets are manipulated, pure and simple, with and without the assistance of the central banks, government regulators and the bankster financial community. As long as the results and consequent headlines are politically correct there are no consequences to be feared, they will be allowed to continue. Politicians HATED markets because they used to expose them as the liars they are. NO MORE as they are now in the hands of megalomaniac’s and sociopaths who don’t know the difference between right and wrong.

“Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law even places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim, when he defends himself, as a criminal. But often the masses are plundered and do not even know it.”

- Frédéric Bastiat

The masses are being plundered on a scale which is inconceivable and unmatched in history; it is the source of the middle classes dying in the developed world. The developed world has become a well-disguised plantation of serfs and slaves. They are given nothing to store and save their labor in as the currency they hold are printed endlessly and have no reserves to back them and are redeemable in NOTHING, contrary to every sound currency in history. Modern day money is nothing less than a wealth confiscation scheme run by morally and fiscally bankrupt central banks and governments against their own citizens.

Is there any human activity where you are not taxed today in one way or another? Is there any major financial holding which people own free and clear of annual taxes or don’t have to share any gain with the masters in central governments? They are your partners in everything even though you performed the work to buy your assets. The government has given the working man nothing in exchange for sharing in the profits or appreciation. Government services such as roads, schools, sewers, police and courts are paid for out of taxes.

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”

- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

As long as big government progressives, elites, the main stream media, and banksters can manipulate and control the reality for the vast majority of citizens they tell themselves they are doing a public good. Fredric Bastiat described this nexus well:

“Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law even places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim, when he defends himself, as a criminal. But often the masses are plundered and do not even know it.”

- Frédéric Bastiat

Throughout the developed world, progressive governments have created huge welfare states that have crippled the futures of the people under whom they were meant to place a safety net. Now, it is a permanent way of life for them and the rolls are exploding daily.

“See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay. If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.”

- French economist Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)

This is the system in the developed world today and it will not be stopped except by Mother Nature and Darwin. These programs have now created a class of people who have no ability to rise and prosper in life: they have no skills, no ability to produce more than they consume, and do not know the source of their inability to do so. They are told their lack of success is someone else’s fault. They are crippled intentionally to be victims of the elites who wish to prey on them and their ignorance. They have been provided a POTEMKIN FAKE education by public schools who FAIL to provide them the educations necessary to rise through adversity and in life. These FAKE educations have ONLY one goal as outlined by George Carlin:

“…But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They DON’T want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that, that doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting F#CKED by system that threw them overboard 30 f#ckin’ years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want OBEDIENT WORKERS. OBEDIENT WORKERS. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork, and just dumb enough to passably accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime, and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.”

- George Carlin

Is this not the world we live in today? These words were said over 15 years ago. The USEFUL idiots as Lenin called them have no ability to think, manufactured by public school monopolies (which I call indoctrination/brain washing centers) and told they have been born with the right to all of their basic needs provided by the government:

“It is not an endlessly expanding list of rights —the “right” to an education; the “right” to health care; the “right” to food and housing. That is not freedom. That is dependency. Those are not rights. Those are the rations of slavery – hay and a barn for human cattle.”

- Alexis de Tocqueville

They believe the impossible dream that they have the right to live their lives at the expense of others and will vote for the people that tell them this is so and use a government gun to make it happen. Most of society today does not know: where money comes from, what it is or isn’t in a historical or practical sense, how wealth is created, the virtues of capitalism and wealth creation, why it’s important to stay debt free and live within your means, why they should work hard and never give up, why save money, why it’s important to be self-reliant, what the constitution is and why it’s important to protect our freedom and future, nor economics of any sort but socialism and Keynesianism (central government control of all aspects of life also known as Marxism).

In my estimation this means they are functually ILLITERATE to life’s basic requirements to grow and thrive as a human in society. They couldn’t be less prepared to meet life’s challenges. The school systems are designed to create peasants and serfs to socialism. Not educated, self-reliant and independent citizens. Prior generations such as mine where taught all these things. We want it restored, and now are labeled extremists and terrorists for insisting on it. This teaching of socialism labeled democracy has led to very destructive behavior:

Democratic institutions awaken and foster a passion for equality which they can never entirely satisfy. This complete equality eludes the grasp of the people at the very moment they think that they have grasped it… the people are excited in the pursuit of an advantage, which is more precious because it is not sufficiently near to be enjoyed. Democratic institutions strongly tend to promote the feeling of envy. A depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

- Alexis de Tocqueville, 1825

This is the agenda of the voting public with the president and his minions in congress and the bureaucracy as his supporters. I have never seen an administration so dedicated to dividing people and attacking the private economy which is the basis of future prosperity. Progressives in Government espouse the gospel of Carl Marx even though they never say so explicitly:

“The whole gospel of Karl Marx can be summed up in a single sentence: Hate the man who is better off than you are. Never under any circumstances admit that his success may be due to his own efforts, to the productive contribution he has made to the whole community. Always attribute his success to the exploitation, the cheating, the more or less open robbery of others. Never under any circumstances admit that your own failure may be owing to your own weakness, or that the failure of anyone else may be due to his own defects, to his laziness, incompetence, improvidence or simple stupidity.”

- Henry Hazlitt on envy and Marxism

This is from where progressives derive their power as this is what the public is taught in public schools. They are a generation of unaccountable victims. Government does not create prosperity or wealth, it destroys prosperity and wealth… correction: it CONSUMES them.

Several weeks ago, I commented on the $30 trillion dollars ($30 million million dollars printed out of THIN air) of new debt which has been created since the nadir of the Global Financial Crisis in late 2008. This has created the greatest fire hose of HOT money zooming around the world in history. Too much money chasing too few opportunities is repressing yields and returns. Combine this with deliberate FINANCIAL REPRESSION by banksters and governments as they transfer the returns from prudent savers to themselves to fill in the insolvency their Reserveless banking systems created. Trillions of dollars of unpaid interest has flowed to insolvent governments and banks during this period and continues to do so as REAL inflation eats the money the public is paid in and stores its wealth in. While bankers and governments borrow money for nothing, false government inflation statistics hide the theft from the public (see www.shadowstats.com).

“You never want to let a serious crisis go to waste.”

- Rahm Emanuel, February 9, 2009

This debt has been disguised as GDP by the governments of the world while they used the crisis not to reform themselves but, instead, to implement new and innovative ways to loot and enslave the publics they claim to serve by increasing taxes, taking regulations to levels of suffocation of private enterprise (moving this demand to connected crony capitalists), removing freedoms and taking confiscation of private property to new extremes. An insidious process, and exactly opposite of the recipe for economic recovery. They have destroyed the human spirit of hope, hard work, and tenacity as they destroy the incentives to do so.

“When people who earn more than the average have their ‘surplus,’ or the greater part of it, seized from them in taxes, and when people who earn less than the average have the deficiency, or the greater part of it, turned over to them in hand?outs and doles, the production of all must sharply decline; for the energetic and able lose their incentive to produce more than the average and the slothful and unskilled lose their incentive to improve their condition.”

- Henry Hazlitt

In the process, creating a society of misery spread widely (definition of socialism):

No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable.”

- Adam Smith

Is this not the mood of the vast majority of the developed world? And they are giving up in record numbers, succumbing to the hopelessness in the world their elite masters have created for them.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

- Carl Sagan

In closing, the greatest top in economic activity and leverage in human history has been in the making since 2000. When the leverage FAILS, the world’s developed economies will be thrust into the next leg of the cleansing process of deleveraging which began in 2000, made another top in 2008 and now this time. The leverage is far greater now than it was at the 2000, and the 2007/2008 highs. The destruction of it will be equally bigger. The world has slipped below the proverbial event horizon of a Black hole, slipping closer and closer to the final denouement of the insanity running amok today.

Then, we will have a time of great economic and social turmoil as what has gone before slides to its doom. Then, a great reformation will emerge just as it did in China after the cultural revolution failed in 1976 and then with Deng Xiaoping in 1989 when he said “to get rich is glorious” and he unleashed the human spirit in China and wealth creation exploded. Don’t you think similar epiphany’s lie in the future after the socialist welfare states of the world collapse?

“Political ideas that have dominated the public mind for decades cannot be refuted through rational arguments, they must run their course in life and cannot collapse otherwise than in great catastrophe.”

- Ludwig Von Mises

This conclusion is firmly on the horizon; let’s call it the great INSANITY. I believe this version is the greatest in history and will be written about for centuries. Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it and this time is no different. However, there is always great opportunity with great danger as the greatest transfer of wealth from these that hold it in paper to those that don’t is underway and there is nothing that can stop it. The sociopaths and elites have no ability to turn the ship of states around as their policies have created the collapse. While this is a manmade disaster, it is most definitely the greatest opportunity in history for those that see it and adjust their behavior accordingly. Don’t ever forget, THEY WILL PRINT THE MONEY!


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To: Hugin

http://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/annual-report/2012-federal-reserve-system-audits.htm#FederalReserveSystemAudits-4A896EF0


101 posted on 06/09/2014 9:00:26 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Kozak

Your confusion is not funny.


102 posted on 06/09/2014 9:01:24 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Lazamataz
By the way, some studies of Rome are pointing out that they spent exorbitant amounts of money on statues to emperors and/or public works (i.e., aqueducts) and that this took a lot of the money out of the private sector.

No question that there are a number of non-economic factors that shape nations' prosperity. The overall stupidity of the American public, the dumbing-down of the average voter and his willingness to accept total nonsense ("global warming," "1 percenters") suggest exactly the kinds of conditions that allow a dictator to come in and just take over.

That said, there is no doubt that on some levels we are on the cusp of massive technological upheavals---especially in energy---that can offer promise beyond anything we've ever known.

A student today asked when Social Security would get so bad that they fix it, and my answer was, it will collapse first. No one will dare do the difficult thing (whatever solutions you propose) because it would hurt them too bad politically.

103 posted on 06/09/2014 10:16:52 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS
It is good that you seem to be somewhat in-tune with my thoughts, which in some manner, does validate them. You are a learned and intelligent man.

Still, because of your gender, I cannot say that I would hit it. :)

104 posted on 06/09/2014 11:25:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: LS
By the way, some studies of Rome are pointing out that they spent exorbitant amounts of money on statues to emperors and/or public works (i.e., aqueducts) and that this took a lot of the money out of the private sector.

I'd suspect that the true cause of the fall of Rome was multifaceted, and that each factor amplified another. This would certainly be one of those factors!

No question that there are a number of non-economic factors that shape nations' prosperity. The overall stupidity of the American public, the dumbing-down of the average voter and his willingness to accept total nonsense ("global warming," "1 percenters") suggest exactly the kinds of conditions that allow a dictator to come in and just take over.

I'd argue also that the destruction of good personal morals is one of our primary weaknesses. A few of the Founders warned us, and the Soviets were smart enough to know to target those morals in the long-term.

Speaking of dumbing down: Have you SEEN the Common Core math methodology? They took very simple concepts and made them so absurdly difficult, that simple subtraction becomes a challenge. I don't think this is an accident. I think it is intended, to further hamstring America in a generation or two, technically and competitively.

That said, there is no doubt that on some levels we are on the cusp of massive technological upheavals---especially in energy---that can offer promise beyond anything we've ever known.

Free(ish) energy can definitely prop us up, no matter the other downfall reasons, for a little longer.

A student today asked when Social Security would get so bad that they fix it, and my answer was, it will collapse first. No one will dare do the difficult thing (whatever solutions you propose) because it would hurt them too bad politically.

Absolutely agree. That is why it is crucial to never allow such a program -- like Obamacare -- to be started. Too late, of course.... but a good warning for the few percent of our progeny that study the collapse of America in future generations.

105 posted on 06/09/2014 11:34:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Perseverando
the Main stream media can do proclaim ECONOMIC recovery has arrived . . . “Happy Days are here again” For the world's stock markets.

How about something a little more mundane -- even if not totally germane. This helped clear some things for me. What are those employment numbers. Virtual full employment now (say the Obama bods) or labor participation rate down to record levels?

MSM: ♩♪♫♫♩♪♫
All is well PRESIDENT OBAMA! Umm, umm, ummm! Has fixed the Bush Depression. All the jobs Bush lost Obama obtained! OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! ♩♪♫♫♩♪♫



(D'oh! Someone forgot to delete those damn old files . . . .)



THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- HOUSEHOLD DATA PUBLISHED FOR MARCH 2005

Civilian noninstitutional population ........................................... 222,550 225,041 225,236 222,550 224,422 224,640 224,837 225,041 225,236
Civilian labor force .................................................................. 146,525 147,649 147,745 146,737 148,313 148,203 147,979 148,132 148,157
Participation rate ............................................................... 65.8 65.6 65.6 65.9 66.1 66.0 65.8 65.8 65.8
Employed .............................................................................. 137,691 139,100 139,759 138,408 140,293 140,156 140,241 140,144 140,501
Employment-population ratio ............................................ 61.9 61.8 62.0 62.2 62.5 62.4 62.4 62.3 62.4
Unemployed ......................................................................... 8,834 8,549 7,986 8,330 8,020 8,047 7,737 7,988 7,656
Unemployment rate .......................................................... 6.0 5.8 5.4 5.7 5.4 5.4 5.2 5.4 5.2
Not in labor force .................................................................... 76,025 77,392 77,492 75,812 76,109 76,437 76,858 76,909 77,079
Persons who currently want a job ......................................... 4,667 4,844 4,858 4,817 5,087 5,021 4,982 4,995 5,001


THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- HOUSEHOLD DATA PUBLISHED FOR MAY 2014
Civilian noninstitutional population ........................................... 245,363 247,439 247,622 245,363 246,915 247,085 247,258 247,439 247,622
Civilian labor force .................................................................. 155,734 154,845 155,841 155,609 155,460 155,724 156,227 155,421 155,613
Participation rate ............................................................... 63.5 62.6 62.9 63.4 63.0 63.0 63.2 62.8 62.8
Employed .............................................................................. 144,432 145,767 146,398 143,919 145,224 145,266 145,742 145,669 145,814
Employment-population ratio ............................................ 58.9 58.9 59.1 58.7 58.8 58.8 58.9 58.9 58.9
Unemployed ......................................................................... 11,302 9,079 9,443 11,690 10,236 10,459 10,486 9,753 9,799
Unemployment rate .......................................................... 7.3 5.9 6.1 7.5 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.3 6.3
Not in labor force .................................................................... 89,629 92,594 91,782 89,754 91,455 91,361 91,030 92,018 92,009
Persons who currently want a job ......................................... 7,193 6,088 7,031 6,648 6,348 6,060 6,146 6,146 6,438

106 posted on 06/09/2014 1:14:31 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I personally am not religious, but I am astounded at those in my own (married) family that have unlimited *faith* in the goodness and benevolent strength of the government on their behalf, yet openly ridicule Christians as stupid and superstitious.

Nicely said.

It boggles the mind to watch and hear those who worship Obama and the federal government's Welfare/Nanny/Police State make arguments against faith based religions.


107 posted on 06/09/2014 4:10:49 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

you are nit picking, creating straw man arguments, and dragging this dialectic further and further away from the original argument, that federal reserve notes represent debt. I stand by my assertion that any and all federal reserve notes in circulation be they physical paper or characters on a computer screen, represent a debt owed by the US government/taxpayers to the federal reserve bank. Even the money created via fractional reserve banking by your bank for your hypothetical car loan was made possible only by incuring an initial debt to the federal reserve.


108 posted on 06/09/2014 6:39:25 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
I stand by my assertion that any and all federal reserve notes in circulation be they physical paper or characters on a computer screen, represent a debt owed by the US government/taxpayers to the federal reserve bank

How is the money created by my auto loan a debt owed by the government to the Fed?

your hypothetical car loan was made possible only by incuring an initial debt to the federal reserve.

Initial money created by the Fed is only a small part of total money supply.

109 posted on 06/09/2014 10:10:17 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Perseverando
Good article.

I can not get over how prescient De Tocqueville was.

110 posted on 06/09/2014 10:36:58 PM PDT by Captainpaintball (Immigration without assimilation is the death of a nation)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
How is the money created by my auto loan a debt owed by the government to the Fed?

because your loan is backed up by a reserve of federal reserve notes and federal reserve notes only come into being via the sale of government debt instruments. Your loan is largely an illusion; however, the money they keep in reserves to keep their illusion from collapsing is real and it came into being as a result of the sale of US debt instruments by the US govt, debt instruments that will be paid for by the hard work of the US tax payers.

neither you nor anyone else could obtain a loan from a bank in any amount if federal reserve notes were not created, via the sale of debt instruments, at some point.

111 posted on 06/09/2014 11:30:01 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
because your loan is backed up by a reserve of federal reserve notes

What does that even mean?

federal reserve notes only come into being via the sale of government debt instruments.

So what?

Your loan is largely an illusion

Your claim is an illusion.

debt instruments that will be paid for by the hard work of the US tax payers.

Treasury debt, absolutely. Every dollar in existence, ridiculous.

neither you nor anyone else could obtain a loan from a bank in any amount if federal reserve notes were not created,

Which doesn't make my car loan a liability of the Treasury.

112 posted on 06/09/2014 11:51:20 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What does that even mean?

fractional reserve banking. look it up.

113 posted on 06/09/2014 11:58:13 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: yorkiemom

Real Estate, Precious Metals (I like American Eagles), Food Ammo, Pay off the Mortgage, any other hard assets or emergency supplies that will appreciate as inflation goes up. Stuff like flour, salt, baking soda, honey etc will last forever, and the prices will go up.

Heck I even bought a bunch of powdered canned milk. It’s good for 20 years. Figured out to be $3 per gallon. Milk is now over $4 in our local stores. So I use the powdered for baking and cooking - it’s not bad for drinking either especially when it’s really cold.

I liquidated over half of my stocks. The rest I let ride - Que Sera Sera.

I do have some cash stashed in case the ATM goes down. I keep a few month’s of payments in the same bank that I owe money. So if they don’t allow access, I plan to tell them to get their payment due from that. Might work. Might not. C’est la vie.


114 posted on 06/10/2014 12:32:28 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

All good ideas. I have to wait to move to buy real estate - but it’s getting closer! 10 months and counting now. We will buy a primary home when we find one, though. Soon hopefully. Found what appeared to be a good one until the inspection reports came back - it would’ve been a money pit and probably not lasted the 30 more years I am planning on living!

I have so much food stored. We were storing a bunch at the cabin (lower temperatures). Since we sold it, all the food storage is in one bedroom so I can see physically just how much I have. And have to move it all! But....the wheatberries were under $30 when I bought them and now they are closer to $50. egads!

Have silver. Have ammo. Have to wait to move to buy more (heavy to move).

But I’ll have all that on my list to get more of when I see what storage facilities I have. (A basement! I can’t wait!)

Have some cash as well. And have a little at each local bank here, in case each limits how much I can get out. GREAT idea to have a loan at a bank where you have deposits. VERY clever idea ;)

When we move, I’ll have no loans so can’t use that idea. Not yet anyway.

And what I really want is like what you have - gardening room and pastures for animals so I can be self-sufficient. That would give me more peace of mind that anything I can buy or store :)


115 posted on 06/10/2014 8:21:32 AM PDT by yorkiemom
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To: Toddsterpatriot

A car loan does not increase the money supply. Perhaps your personal money supply but not the amount of money in the economy.


116 posted on 06/10/2014 9:12:30 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RC one

Disinformation is an essential element behind the Fed. So is blind faith.

If people lost faith the house-o-cards would fall.


117 posted on 06/10/2014 9:24:45 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: RC one
Fractional reserve banking does not mean "your loan is backed up by a reserve of federal reserve notes"

Look it up.

118 posted on 06/10/2014 10:44:31 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: driftdiver
A car loan does not increase the money supply.

Loans don't increase the money supply?

Perhaps you could explain how the money supply increases?

119 posted on 06/10/2014 10:49:06 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You seem awful smart and since you made the original statement why don’t you explain it.


120 posted on 06/10/2014 10:57:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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