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To: Ben Ficklin

Well, we will agree to disagree for this reason; Your comment says by implication (and nearly outright) that ALL people who use ATV’s are obnoxious and could care less about other people.

I do believe (and know for a fact) that this is not true. I know responsible people who use ATV’s and who certainly care about other peoples experience wherever they are.

Are there obnoxious people? Of course.

I am a life-time motorcycle rider and know that the vast majority of motorcycle riders are not obnoxious, care-less people.

The one-size-fits-all approach to problems is the slippery slope causing many of the abysmal conditions in our country today.

You do not have to look far to see abject failure by our current government (assuming they actually want to help) in trying to use this kind of approach to ‘help’ build more jobs, healthcare, help the disadvantaged and we could go on for hours on this vein.

Instead of focusing on the behavior of some people try looking at the illegal and unconstitutional actions by the non-elected ‘agencies’ that have grown like mushrooms to effect the destruction of America.


26 posted on 05/11/2014 6:34:20 PM PDT by GOPBiker (Thank a veteran, with a smile, every chance you get. You do more good than you can know.)
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To: GOPBiker
I don't say all of them, just the vast majority of them. I'll make a deal with you. I'll pay you $10 for every YouTube video you show me of a responsible rider and you pay me $1 for every video I show you of a rider ripping it up.

"...the illegal and unconstitutional actions by the non-elected agencies that have grown like mushrooms to effect the destruction of America"

You say that because you are a kooky posse comitatus guy who has no earthly idea how the govt works.

Congress created the Grazing Division to manage the grazing lands and a few years later the name was changed to the US Grazing Service which would later be merged with the General Land Office to create the BLM. It all changed in 1976 when Congress enacted FPLMA and told BLM to manage the lands for multi-use.

Which means managed for ATV, horseback, hikers, campers boaters, hunters, target shooters, fishermen, cattle, sheep, wild horses, burros, oil and gas, coal, gold, silver, Indians, lands that Congress sets aside; parks, forests, monuments, endangered and threatened species, and the list goes on.

So are these ATVers getting their share of use of these lands? They were shut out of Recapture canyon for breaking the regs. But there are 2800 miles of ATV trails close by. And if you go to the ATV Utah website, you see that is a lot available for ATVers.

But the ATVers are gonna bitch, moan, complain, threaten to kill people, and have a revolution if the BLM doesn't give more land to tear up. Squeeky wheel gets the grease.

The grazers complain about the wild horses. The horse lovers complain about the grazers. The grazers complain about the tortoise and the enviros complain about the grazers. Everybody complains.

In your ignorance, you complain about BLM, but Congress enacted FLPMA and the endangered species act, and the Wild Horse Act

If you don't like the way BLM is doing it, or think that someone is getting more use of the land than you are you can get congress to amend the act. And if that doesn't work you can go to court and get the judges to change it.

But sometimes that doesn't work. Bundy lost in court numerous times so he called in the militia and threatened to kill BLM agents and their round-up contractor.

27 posted on 05/12/2014 11:00:59 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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