Posted on 04/25/2014 12:27:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf
Our most encompassing and general doctrine is this: losing is unthinkable. That knowledge is no secret, although many folks adverse to defense like to ignore it. No socio-political organization is going to change that, although such entities may get nods to abominable, civilian social doctrines in socio-political circles and media—pretty much what the weirdos and manhaters receive.
“Ukrainians are not our countrymen, we have no compact of mutual defense of their rights. If we did then we would be apliged to go and defend it.”
You miss the point. Completely.
The US and NATO are not going to fight in Ukraine. That doesn’t make Russia’s illegal annexation and provocations and more accepted as naked aggression and Hitler-like steamrolling of weaker nations.
If it is none of our business and acceptable for Russia’s big Govt. to do this, it is entirely acceptable and none of our business when the US big govt. steamrolls the rights of our citizens.
Your contention that Crimea should vote on it’s fate is absurd. It is the sovereign territory of Ukraine. Russia illegally annexed it and it has nothing to do with voting.
When Vlad heard that word he *knew* he was dealing with a weakling.And still not a *word* of apology to either Governor Palin *or* Governor Romney for having clearly told Osama Obama what Vlad was all about.
Hey,Obama...it's the 1930's on the phone...they want their policy of weakness and appeasement back.
“Ukrainians are not our countrymen, we have no compact of mutual defense of their rights. If we did then we would be apliged to go and defend it.
You miss the point. Completely.
The US and NATO are not going to fight in Ukraine. That doesnt make Russias illegal annexation and provocations and more accepted as naked aggression and Hitler-like steamrolling of weaker nations.”
I don’t know where you been living all your life, but
1: Their ain’t no law between nations, therefore their ain’t no lawbreakers between nations.
2: Country’s only tend to get involved in the affairs of other nations if they see something in it for themselves or at least their leaders, or they are obligated by treat to do so.
As far as I know we ain’t got no treaty obligating us to defend the Ukraine. The Ukraine is not a member of NATO. So unless we got some pressing need to keep Russia out of the Ukraine I don’t see how its worth our time and money trying to stop them.
The cold war is over, russia isent commuist anymore, at least no more than the Federal goverment is.
“If it is none of our business and acceptable for Russias big Govt. to do this, it is entirely acceptable and none of our business when the US big govt. steamrolls the rights of our citizens.”
As a matter of note when the Federal Government steamrolls over our rights No foreigner is going to raise a finger to help us unless that Foriginer;
A) Has something to gain by Bashing the US and
B) Is not afraid of Washington’s reprisals.
If we needed their help we would have find a way to make it in their interest and probably compromise Washington’s ability to intimidate them out(As Washington did during the ‘Civil War’).
“Your contention that Crimea should vote on its fate is absurd. It is the sovereign territory of Ukraine. Russia illegally annexed it and it has nothing to do with voting”
Well now its a “Sovereign Territory” of Russia and there need not be any voting. You obviously have a very different understanding of Sovereignty than I do. I say legitimate Sovereignty ultimately belongs to the people that live there, who they associate with is their legitimate choice. There is no “Magical” organization that owns the Ukraine, its simply the people that live in the Ukraine ultimately down to the smallest governable community.
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