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Police might be tracking you, but you can't see the records
Post Standard: Syracuse NY ^ | April 24, 2014 at 8:38 AM | By Marnie Eisenstadt | meisenstadt@syracuse.com

Posted on 04/24/2014 6:33:33 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Onondaga County has 5.2 million records showing where drivers have been over the past year. But if you'd like to know what the county has on your travels, you're out of luck.

Police cars throughout the county are outfitted with special cameras -- license plate readers -- that take hundreds of pictures of license plates a minute. Those records, showing the plate and where it was photographed, are warehoused in the county's database and held for a year.

Onondaga County denied a Freedom of Information Law request from me for all records they had on my license plate.

The reason: Turning over those records would "reveal criminal investigative procedures and techniques."

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New York earlier this month announced it would dole out $550,270 for police departments across the state to purchase 27 more license plate readers.

(Excerpt) Read more at syracuse.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: license; police; readers; spying
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If this is how one rinky dink local law enforcement unit is treating its citizens can you imagine what the Obama regime is up to that we don't know about?
1 posted on 04/24/2014 6:33:33 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Hieronymus; VampireStateNY; governsleastgovernsbest; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...

upstate bump


2 posted on 04/24/2014 6:35:26 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Hence why I get a patch of mud on my plates every chance I get.


3 posted on 04/24/2014 6:35:38 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Turning over those records would "reveal criminal investigative procedures and techniques."

Yeah, and?

The operations of a public agency are subject to public scrutiny, period.

4 posted on 04/24/2014 6:36:17 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Hence why I get a patch of mud on my plates every chance I get.

...which, in New York, is grounds for both a ticket and reasonable cause to stop and [in some cases] search the vehicle.

5 posted on 04/24/2014 6:36:55 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Are there any decorative license plate covers that make your car look, ah, cool?


6 posted on 04/24/2014 6:46:40 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
...which, in New York, is grounds for both a ticket and reasonable cause to stop and [in some cases] search the vehicle.

Goose, meet gander.

As the police are public servants performing public duties and so have no reasonable expectation of privacy, I think we should start photographing cop cars with identifying information at every opportunity. There should be an app for that, by which the movements of police can be tracked and made available to the public in real time.

7 posted on 04/24/2014 6:50:25 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

East Germany called. They want their 1970’s surveillance state back.


8 posted on 04/24/2014 6:53:25 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
... $550,270 for police departments across the state to purchase 27 more license plate readers.

That's over $20,000 for each camera. Somebody is stuffing their pockets with that contract.

Or just lousy writing while meaning some totally different. Like 27 additional police departments...

9 posted on 04/24/2014 6:58:27 AM PDT by CPOSharky (If a libtards lips are moving...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Pre-Crime Systems Now Actively Monitoring the Internet: “The Computer Algorithm Learns the Pattern and Produces a Prediction”
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/pre-crime-systems-now-actively-monitoring-the-internet-the-computer-algorithm-learns-the-pattern-and-produces-a-prediction_04232014


10 posted on 04/24/2014 6:59:08 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Oberon

Look into a smartphone app called Waze.


11 posted on 04/24/2014 7:09:41 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The mere act of requesting the records will put a red check mark next to her file.


12 posted on 04/24/2014 7:16:08 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: Oberon

“As the police are public servants performing public duties and so have no reasonable expectation of privacy, I think we should start photographing cop cars with identifying information...”

LOL! Yeah, just wait & see how fast they slap an “obstruction” charge on you. Few things make a cop more nervous than being photographed or filmed in the course of doing his job.

But hey, some judge said flicking your headlights to warn traffic of a hidden speed trap is “free speech”. So there’s that...


13 posted on 04/24/2014 7:27:16 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Tallguy
LOL! Yeah, just wait & see how fast they slap an “obstruction” charge on you.

Can't charge everybody...

14 posted on 04/24/2014 7:36:06 AM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: Oberon

“Can’t charge everybody...”

Which is why they stack charges on the photographers they do arrest. It’s the “intimidation factor” toward other would-be photographers.


15 posted on 04/24/2014 7:38:21 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Big Brother government is growing daily, and American personal liberty is becoming a thing of the past.


16 posted on 04/24/2014 7:40:21 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (Looking forward to November elections.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

The problem here is not the sensors themselves, it is that after the license plates are tracked, that the data is preserved. So it is really two issues.

In the former case, every vehicle with a visible license plate that the sensors can read is immediately cross checked with the database, looking for stolen cars and outstanding warrants. And it is quite effective for those two things.

But, as with guns, while many people accept the need for an instant background check, most everyone except radical gun controllers wants that data to be “volatile”, that is, once the check is made, the data for the check is discarded, not retained by anyone.

The simple rationale for this is that if such a database exists, it *will*, *invariably*, be abused.

And this goes even further than the fourth amendment, needing a written and specific court warrant, because it is blanket surveillance of the public. Even judges cannot, or should not, be allowed to issue such a warrant.


17 posted on 04/24/2014 7:43:12 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

We’re headed towards the very last Totalitarian State. It will literally be a OWG. The control and tracking of people will be vital to that gov’t being able to enforce it’s laws.

Did you know that right now Venezuela is already tracking the selling of all food, knowing who’s buying it and how much?

Did you know that right now Venezuela is mandating that anybody buying food cannot return to buy food for 8 days and minors are prohibited from buying since most live with their parents?

ID cards are also issued our for “food buyers”.

They are also required to be finger-printed.

All of this is being tracked in a data-base.

It’s only a matter of time before it hits here.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/04/venezuela-queues-food-ration-cards


18 posted on 04/24/2014 7:45:41 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

[ We’re headed towards the very last Totalitarian State. It will literally be a OWG. The control and tracking of people will be vital to that gov’t being able to enforce it’s laws.

Did you know that right now Venezuela is already tracking the selling of all food, knowing who’s buying it and how much?

Did you know that right now Venezuela is mandating that anybody buying food cannot return to buy food for 8 days and minors are prohibited from buying since most live with their parents?

ID cards are also issued our for “food buyers”.

They are also required to be finger-printed. ]

However in this country you dare demand that voters show an ID and you are a horrible person....

Funny how in the future you will be required to show ID for everything EXCEPT voting, because to keep the police state in power they will need the people who aren’t supposed to vote to vote...


19 posted on 04/24/2014 8:10:13 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Oberon

Maybe what they meant was that turning over those records would reveal the criminality of the investigative procedures and techniques.


20 posted on 04/24/2014 8:38:19 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Are there any decorative license plate covers that make your car look, ah, cool?

...such covers are illegal in NY and can result in both a ticket and probable cause to stop and, in some cases, search the vehicle.

21 posted on 04/24/2014 8:42:55 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Tallguy

Well, in this day and age, cameras can be very small and concealed. Photograph the cops without them knowing they’re being photographed.

If they see you with a camera, then you’re most likely screwed.


22 posted on 04/24/2014 8:45:03 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: GraceG

We the People had better make sure this does not happen in the USA. There comes a time when we stand up and stand FOR freedom and liberty...now that we know such threats to our freedom and liberty could happen in this country, be prepared to make sure that it doesn’t happen...


23 posted on 04/24/2014 8:48:25 AM PDT by itssme
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Automatically assume that ANY and ALL data that ANY government agency collects about you will be permanently stored, and cross referenced with other databases, solely for the purpose to be used against you at some point in time. That’s how totalitarian third world regimes operate, and we are already there, like it or not.


24 posted on 04/24/2014 8:51:15 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

25 posted on 04/24/2014 9:04:26 AM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: null and void

26 posted on 04/24/2014 9:09:12 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

How’s the backyard gardening in Venezuela? Anyone doing that with seeds from storebought tomatoes or peppers or squash? Or even dried beans...


27 posted on 04/24/2014 9:09:27 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
They're doing it in Texas as well. ALPR’s...automatic lic. plate readers. License plates with special reflectivity, water mark screen capture marks and character dividers to aid the computer to process.

When renewing your drivers license in the state of Texas, they make you place both your thumbs on readers and snap a digital image of your prints. You are also required to have your face digitally captured for future recognition technology.

Webs of cameras installed at every intersection, throughout meto areas to facilitate safety of citizens. Surveillance drones being deployed by Montgomery county, Texas sheriffs department to aid in law enforcement efforts.

Law enforcement has begun “no refusal” blood draws for folks suspected of driving impaired....are they collecting DNA as well? Bet’cha $50 bill it's a coming.

Inmates already being required to give DNA samples when arrested.

What does this mean? Bio-metrics being collected on citizens. Database collecting info on your whereabouts, your travels.

Big brother placing all this in place as well as uncle sugar tracking Credit card transactions, snooping on phone calls, web traffic.

Think America's not a police state? Think all this is tin-foil nutjob conspiracy tawk? Do the research. It's happening and moving forward with lightening speed.

Oh...let's not forget Obozo’s pledge. A civilian force, just as well equipped, just as well funded...Law enforcement agencies across this great land are gleefully accepting federal grants for advanced military grade vehicles, equipment and weaponry from DHS.

Open yo eyes boy’z and girl's.

28 posted on 04/24/2014 9:10:07 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; Kartographer

Prepper ping


29 posted on 04/24/2014 9:17:25 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

BTTT!


30 posted on 04/24/2014 10:17:05 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: null and void

And those pogroms just keep on coming

I mean really they essentially ‘classify’ this data as revealing techniques and procedures....since when can’t the citizenry see that from the local government????


31 posted on 04/24/2014 10:41:10 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Last year for a time period our left wing local government allowed a so called traffic tracking company to use a lot of electronic means to supposedly check on traffic patterns. The system apparently used cameras and checked on the gps units in cars and smart phones.

There was not a single complaint from the sheeple up here, because it was supposedly an enviro study.


32 posted on 04/24/2014 10:43:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: null and void

Hi Nully,

Please remove me from your ping list? Yesterday was my 16th anniversary, and I was convinced I’m in a rut, so I’m leaving FR.

It’s been real *and* fun!

CL


33 posted on 04/24/2014 10:48:13 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Er wot???

Take your time going, but hurry back!


34 posted on 04/24/2014 11:17:07 AM PDT by null and void (...if you are too sure of your place in heaven you might be too arrogant to actually get there.)
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To: servantboy777
Law enforcement agencies across this great land are gleefully accepting federal grants for advanced military grade vehicles, equipment and weaponry from DHS.

All those little podunkville PDs don't need military grade vehicles but 0 is handing them out like candy. We're long past hitting the reset button.

35 posted on 04/24/2014 11:29:53 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Acting in the dark with zero oversight and consciousness raised.

These are some sick outfits out of control.


36 posted on 04/24/2014 11:38:04 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: bgill

What happened to swords to plowshares. No, instead Ceasar comes home to wage war on his own people.


37 posted on 04/24/2014 11:39:18 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: null and void

I’ve gotten into a rut, and it’s unlikely I will return. But thanks for the good wishes!


38 posted on 04/24/2014 11:50:28 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

The only thing that REALLY works is a clear resin spray. You spray a coat or two on the front and back plates, and re-install them on your car. It will look NORMAL to the naked eye, but the camera sees only pure GLARE when a picture is taken. $25 per can. Google it on the internet.


39 posted on 04/24/2014 12:05:05 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: 2harddrive

Thank-you for your post! I appreciate it.


40 posted on 04/24/2014 12:48:25 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

A women I work with (upstate NY) was pulled over a month ago for “having a dirty license plate”. She was like: “Have you ever heard of such a thing...???”

Now we know.


41 posted on 04/24/2014 1:44:25 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Whenifhow

I wonder what would happen to any of us if we suddenly got off the grid. That would probably be a huge red flag to big brother.


42 posted on 04/24/2014 3:07:52 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: servantboy777

I have a car that I bought new in 1996. I recently renewed the Texas tags and they sent me new plates. I wonder what’s on those things.


43 posted on 04/24/2014 3:12:54 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: bgill

One of the problems is there are too many people who blame one party or the other. It’s EVERYONE from BOTH parties.


44 posted on 04/24/2014 3:14:42 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I find it fascinating that this was predicted in the Bible 2000 years ago.


45 posted on 04/24/2014 3:15:27 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Cyber Liberty

See my post #42.


46 posted on 04/24/2014 3:16:38 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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bkmk


47 posted on 04/24/2014 3:49:57 PM PDT by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Take a look at them. They have several items of interest. First a water mark hologram that signals the vision system that it has an identifiable plate.

The squiggly lines separating the characters are to segment for the vision system so the software can capture, segment and process the plate.

The enhanced reflectivity of the plate allows them to read your plate up to 110 mph. That is, your auto traveling at a certain speed toward the officer's vehicle also traveling a certain speed. They can also read your plate in the dark of night with very little ambient light.

Officers now run through parking lots of shopping centers reading hundreds of plates looking for stolen autos, expired registration/vehicle inspection and lapsed insurance. Everything is tied to your plate. Even concealed handgun lic.

Here in Harris co., they've mounted multiple readers on patrol cars...looks retarded, but they can cruise down the road and read hundreds of plates in any direction...all at once and process in seconds. An alarm sounds when a plate with an issue is processed.

Soon in Texas, already deployed in yankee states, these readers along roadways, highway overpasses. They will track your comings and your goings. Leave town for the weekend, they'll know when you've left and when you arrive back in town as well as your destination.

Serious breach of public trust, serious breach of privacy...and no one saw it coming. No one voted for it, no one was informed. They just did all this for the sake of safety.

48 posted on 04/24/2014 4:56:04 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: VerySadAmerican

“One of the problems is there are too many people who blame one party or the other. It’s EVERYONE from BOTH parties.”

We’ve been conditioned by the media and politicians to condition average Americans to fight with each other, while the crony capitalists on both sides plunder us and the authoritarians spy and monitor us.


49 posted on 04/25/2014 7:01:41 AM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Mount cameras on your cars and around your homes. There are free software and cheap equipment for that. Such things are best suited to your personal security than to increasing intimidation, taxes/fees and suppression of economic activity.


50 posted on 04/25/2014 11:51:38 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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