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Regaining Middle America - Republicans must stop putting moneyed interests ahead of the American...
National Review Online ^ | APRIL 14, 2014 | Robert W. Patterson

Posted on 04/14/2014 7:06:19 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 04/14/2014 7:06:19 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

You can’t use socialism to help the middle class. You can’t do it.

It’s not possible.

But that’s not going to stop politicians from trying.


2 posted on 04/14/2014 7:07:29 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: neverdem

How did those moneyed interests get their money?

Generally it would have been by producing something good. An exception can be made for those in government sinecures or on the dole of course.

One could do worse than making way for the producers of good things, although to be fair there’s almost no good excuse for subsidies.


4 posted on 04/14/2014 7:14:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: neverdem

I fear GopE will do the opposite. They seem to be set on abandoning Christians.


5 posted on 04/14/2014 7:17:43 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We need to allow industry to profit. Here.

If people can make money through industry, they will try to make money, increase industry and create jobs.

It isn’t rocket science, except to socialists and liberals.


6 posted on 04/14/2014 7:23:33 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
How did those moneyed interests get their money?

The author is talking about crony capitalists, who use lobbyists to take advantage of the system. He is advocating for Republicans to return to real economic growth and jobs, instead of "Capital-gains tax cuts" that only help Wall Street.

7 posted on 04/14/2014 7:25:15 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (GO WISCONSIN BADGERS GO!)
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To: neverdem

I think the Democrats are as much in the tank for Crony Capitalist as the Establishment Republicans. It is stupid for us to leave the Dems off the hook.


8 posted on 04/14/2014 7:27:23 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Take out the trash)
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To: Tzimisce
You can’t use socialism to help the middle class. You can’t do it.

It’s not possible.

Indeed, the first objective of socialism is to eliminate the middle class!

The middle class, with its ambitions and mobility, is simply not compatible with the societal structure that socialism desires to achieve -- a two-tier society composed of a.) the proletarian masses and b.) the governing elites.

9 posted on 04/14/2014 7:29:52 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media -- IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: neverdem

Yeah, protectionism and “infrastructure initiatives” are the key. Sure.


10 posted on 04/14/2014 7:32:43 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
That's a piece of troll wisdom if ever I read one. The Demagogic Party has systematically used a massive increase in legislation and bureaucracy (particularly "environmental" law) to undermine employment in this country; they've fought at every turn to raise taxes, not merely opposing tax cuts and reforms. What I'm saying is, the author is full of ####.
But the political theorist overstates the ability of even the most skillful defense of bourgeois social norms to help a party that, in the post-Reagan era, has delivered few economic benefits to Middle America, the very segment of the population where social-conservative ideals have the most traction. Given the social and economic dislocations of the past 25 years, which have downsized the middle class — and thus the once-great Reagan coalition — such appeals motivate fewer voters than they once did.
Please, "bourgeois"?!? Thanks neverdem.
11 posted on 04/14/2014 7:33:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I’d eliminate the tax on manufacturing. Its seldom talked about but its a big one.


12 posted on 04/14/2014 7:35:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Not one mention of Barney Frank?


13 posted on 04/14/2014 7:35:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: neverdem

I really don’t think the path to prosperity for the middle class is terribly difficult:

1. Federal policy should match successful Republican policies in states such as North Dakota, Wisconsin, Texas

a. more energy
b. right to work
c. lower taxes

2. Ban sex selection abortions in the United States

This destroys the war on women meme.
Talk about how abortion is the most successful form of violence against women in the world.

3. Enact a property tax on federally held lands that are unproductive [not developed].

a. send refunds to lower 1/3 of tax payers
b. work to return federal lands in the West to the states

4. Lower corporate income taxes

a. send refunds of raised revenue to families paying taxes
b. plan for 4% plus growth

5. Make some parts of the federal government such as the EPA subject to lawsuits.

6. Drop federal funding to American universities that don’t allow ROTC on campus. There is not excuse at this point.

7. Keep Obamacare mandate [require people to buy health insurance]— remove all enforcement mechanisms.

8. Massively increase drilling on federal lands. Again establish a kickback to the public among taxpayers similar to states like Alaska.

9. Overall, enact policies that increase economic growth and return revenue surpluses to TAXPAYERS. When taxpayers at the bottom get most of the funds that will destroy incentives for staying poor and taking handouts.

10 Remove export bans on fossil fuels. Natural gas, oil and coal could all crush the petro tyrants and reduce US defense costs.

11. Penalize bird killing wind and solar.

This is not impossible or improbable. The US has massive potential to grow at over 4% annually. If we grew at that rate, government revenue would explode and dwarf spending within 2 years. If federal government growth were held to 2% or less surpluses and refunds would be easy. This was true from about 1998-2001 when Republicans were most in charge.

American energy costs are lower than almost anywhere in the world and only environmental regulation and corporate tax rates keep business out of the US. We could have a massive manufacturing resurgance with these policies.


14 posted on 04/14/2014 7:36:15 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: SunkenCiv

Don’t mention that f888!

Our tax bill to the Feds is a bone crushing outrage this year!

Start talking to your neighbors..”Did you get your “refund” back yet?

What a Redistribushhoon joke!


15 posted on 04/14/2014 7:57:44 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The government doesn’t need to be so gosh-durn big either.

Some folks don’t cotton to libertarians very much because they seem to be so blase about a lot of moral issues. But it seems they are about the only ones you hear about actually axing the bloat. And after all, stealing is a moral issue isn’t it? There’s a biblical role for government but it sure isn’t found in trying to be everything to everybody.


16 posted on 04/14/2014 8:35:03 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: lonestar67

“Remove export bans on fossil fuels. Natural gas, oil and coal could all crush the petro tyrants and reduce US defense costs.”

Can’t happen at the same time as —

“American energy costs are lower than almost anywhere in the world and only environmental regulation and corporate tax rates keep business out of the US. We could have a massive manufacturing resurgance with these policies.”


17 posted on 04/14/2014 8:37:23 PM PDT by Monmouth78
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To: Monmouth78

I don’t think the public fathoms how much we have. It is an illusion of scarcity.

Environmentalists and energy companies share one opinion: energy is scarce.

Believing this keeps prices up.

The amount of natural gas the US has is nearly incalculable. When you add in the other items I note about Federal land holdings, it becomes even more staggering. Somehow, Canada and Mexico have huge productive fossil fuel export economies but the US has hardly anything?

Untrue.

My list did not include lifting bans on offshore drilling. That would also jack up production. The massive fights over anwr obscure the massive federal control of land resources that serves no other purpose but to crush and prevent economic booms in the US that would bring staggering levels of wealth to the US.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/10/15/almost-half-the-west-is-federally-owned-now-some-states-want-their-land-back/

If you look at this map, it is pure madness. We could easily increase energy production— especially when oil is at 95$ a barrel.

Soon trains and major transportation elements will run on CNG and we will be well situated to help ourselves on that front.

The public is barely aware that our initial transitions toward natural gas are already making the US kyoto compliant without even trying or reducing the size of our economy.


18 posted on 04/14/2014 8:50:10 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: Monmouth78

Here is another way of seeing the problem.

North Dakota alone wastes enough natural gas everyday to run a major CNG export port globally:

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/north-dakota-gas-flaring-doubles-pumping-co2-into-air-17212

An american initiative to capture and sell such gas would crush Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. It changes geopolitics at a fundamental level.

And that is just one state!


19 posted on 04/14/2014 8:55:30 PM PDT by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: neverdem; Jim Robinson; kristinn; WashingtonSource; SeekAndFind; blam; GOPJ; SunkenCiv; Diogenes; ..

Thanks for this thread, as it is important to understand how the enemy thinks, IMHO, of course.

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I read this article twice and this is all that I am agreement with: “ - - - Republicans must stop putting moneyed interests ahead of the American family. - - - - “ but not for the reasons that the author vaguely tries to provide.

Conservatives view “moneyed interests” as Federal politicians in “both” political parties spending 40 % more than the tax dollars we send them.

Conservatives view “the American family” as those who pay taxes.

All who pay taxes understand what Radio Announcer Paul Harvey meant when he said:
“WHEN YOUR OUTGO EXCEEDS YOUR INCOME, YOUR UPKEEP WILL BE YOUR DOWNFALL.”

The Federal politicians in “both” political parties who have demonstrated that they understand the above quote can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

The ones who do NOT understand the above quote are the enemies of: Conservatives; those who pay taxes; and yes, all who collectively are the American Family.

The greed to buy votes with money borrowed by selling our Grandchild’s descendants into bondage of Permanent National Welfare Debt was not mentioned by the author of this article.

What does the author propose to conserve? Certainly not money or core American values.

This is an enemy article that could be written by many Federal politicians in either of “both” of our sorry political parties.


20 posted on 04/14/2014 9:02:30 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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