Posted on 04/10/2014 2:19:58 PM PDT by kingattax
Brad Metzler’s Decoded did an investigation into Patton’s death and came away with the conclusion that it was an accident. From what I saw on the show it seemed that way to me also.
Compared to Wilson he was a powder puff.
Good film about how the Soviets under Stalin executed 22,000 Polish Army officers with a bullet in the back of the head in 1939.
What the movie does not show though is how Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin all conspired against the Poles to seize Poland and carve it for Stalin after the war.
Roosevelt and Churchill hid the murders from the U.S. and British people in order to keep the Soviets fighting against the Germans and silence the Poles in the U.S. and Britain, who would have been outraged.
Katyn - Movie Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DrgSHIJXAQ
“Greatest army ever assembled, US Third Army. If Ike didn’t handcuff him, there would be a US flag over the Reichstag vs the commie red star.”
Ike made a pretty reasonable decision. Berlin, along with much of eastern & central Germany was inside the zone set forth for Soviet Occupation. If he had let US/Brit/Canadian/French forced go for it, we would have paid a huge price in casualties for territory that FDR would have handed over to the Russians anyway.
It really wasn’t until the Berlin Airlift (1948) that the honeymoon with the Soviets was completely over politically.
Certainly believed by large numbers, especially in military at that time.
Well, based on my knowledge, that would be General Monty, in particular.
Nazis had no choice but to fight the Russians to the death in Berlin.
Had it been US or British troops approaching Berlin, the Germans would have surrendered in droves.
Patton was a great Corps commander, and a very good Army commander, when he kept his mouth shut.
* - Denotes a US Army General from the Revolution whose monuments do not bear his name.
“best combat general the US Army ever had!”
Well, I don’t know if I would call him the “best”, but he certainly is in the top 5% of operational level commanders for the entire period of US history.
However, this nonsense about the Russians assasinating him has been going around since 1945. It was nonsense then, and it still is today. The Russians just weren’t clever enough in 1945 to pull off such a feat. IF I were (which I do not) going to suscribe to a conspiracy theory....it would be about our own top brass offing him. However, that is nonsense as well.
Maybe not.
After dropping Little Boy and Fat Man on Japan the US would not have enough Special Nuclear Material for a bomb for at least another year.
We would have won in Europe in 1945 and have had to continue to fight Japan perhaps for a year or more after.
FDR absolutely loved Stalin. It has long been suspected that Patton was assassinated, and that probably FDR gave the orders.
Of course, Patton was right. Stalin was just as evil as Hitler, and in fact murdered more people than Hitler.
But FDR was determined to give Eastern Europe to Stalin, his good Communist buddy.
Churchill opposed international WW II Katyn investigation
13.09.2012 17:55
Winston Churchill agreed with Stalin that no International Red Cross investigation should be carried out in German occupied territory into the Katyn massacre, show US declassified files.
http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/112127,Churchill-opposed-international-WW-II-Katyn-investigation
If I remember, Berlin was going to be in and part of the RUSSIAN zone of occupation upon the death of Nazi Germany.
Check out the casualties the Russian willingly accepted to destroy and occupy Berlin.
Ike avoided tens of thousands of additional AMERICAN deaths caused by the advance to a Berlin that would have been handed over to the Russians.
During WWII the USA had to suffer thousands of casualties on land, sea and air, but went to great efforts to avoid unneeded suffering of OUR TROOPS.
The same reasoning prompted Truman’s order to use the BOMB at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The war ended and the killing stopped. Only after did the perils of radiation be learned.
Now nothing would surprise me. Leftists never think they've gone far enough.
Newsmax
FDR ‘Covered Up Soviet Atrocity to Appease Stalin’
Monday, September 10, 2012 10:09 AM
American POWS sent secret coded messages to Washington with news of a Soviet atrocity: In 1943 they saw rows of corpses in an advanced state of decay in the Katyn forest, on the western edge of Russia, proof that the killers could not have been the Nazis who had only recently occupied the area.
The testimony about the infamous massacre of Polish officers might have lessened the tragic fate that befell Poland under the Soviets, some scholars believe. Instead, it mysteriously vanished into the heart of American power. The long-held suspicion is that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt didn’t want to anger Josef Stalin, an ally whom the Americans were counting on to defeat Germany and Japan during World War II.
Documents released Monday and seen in advance by The Associated Press lend weight to the belief that suppression within the highest levels of the U.S. government helped cover up Soviet guilt in the killing of some 22,000 Polish officers and other prisoners in the Katyn forest and other locations in 1940.
The evidence is among about 1,000 pages of newly declassified documents that the United States National Archives is releasing Monday and putting online. Historians who saw the material days before the official release describe it as important and shared some highlights with the AP. The most dramatic revelation so far is the evidence of the secret codes sent by the two American POWs — something historians were unaware of and which adds to evidence that the Roosevelt administration knew of Soviet atrocities early on in the war.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Katyn-massacre-Roosevelt-Stalin/2012/09/10/id/451258/
A stat which means very little, since without American arms and supplies the Russians could not have mounted a counteroffensive, and without the continual degradation of German industrial capacity owed to constant Allied bombing, the Russian counteroffensive could not possibly have been successful.
Too many people overestimate the value of Russian canon-fodder, and underestimate the value of multiple second fronts prosecuted by the Allies, as well as Hitler's gross incompetence as a strategist. He need not have suffered anywhere near the scale of losses had he not insisted on a no-retreat policy, which prompted disasters like the destruction of his entire Sixth Army; or slaughtered all of his slave labor with his idiotic racialist theories.
We should have just let the Nazis and Russian kill each other.
They were meant for each other.
I still say if Hitler took Moscow, Stalin would have been thrown out on his butt. The Russians would still win, but at least Stalin would be out of the picture.
“There was no need to assassinate Patton. Truman need only fire him as he did MacArthur years later.”
Patton was probably going to be retired. He was among the oldest of the US Army’s 3 & 4-star field commanders. He had already relinquished command of the 3rd Army, and the Military Governorship of Bavaria at this point. His “command” of a paper headquarters known as 15th Army was probably his last job.
The United States Army Air Forces were about to become an independent service. Had that not been the case, Patton might have been Chief of Army Ground Forces. But without the air component, that job became redundant and the post was discontinued. It was very unlikely that he would be picked to be Army Chief of Staff, so Patton had nowhere to go.
Add to Poland everything east of Germany plus Austria, in addition to the tens of thousands of Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians, and even Americans and Brits "repatriated" to Stalin then subsequently sent to the GULag, or murdered outright.
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