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Flight 370 effort could soon shift from search to recovery
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Posted on 04/09/2014 1:51:59 PM PDT by servo1969

The team of international investigators hunting for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 has "unquestionably" located the missing jetliner and could soon have high resolution images of the wreck site, an expert in deep sea recoveries of ships and planes told FoxNews.com.

There is virtually no chance that the pings picked up by ships towing sophisticated listening devices could be anything other than signals emitted by the plane's flight data recorder, or "black box," David Mearns, of Blue Water Recoveries, a United Kingdom-based company that holds the Guinness World Record for the deepest ocean recovery and has assisted searches for sunken planes.

"This cannot be coming from anything else," Mearns said. "This is the best equipment there is, and the signal is unmistakable.”

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 370; crash; malaysia; mh370; ping

1 posted on 04/09/2014 1:51:59 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

04-08-15-16-23-42

2 posted on 04/09/2014 1:53:32 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket)
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To: servo1969

What the heck is CNN going to report other than 370 ? They’ve gone completely off the deep end.


3 posted on 04/09/2014 1:55:50 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Wasn’t this some fake BS on FB?


4 posted on 04/09/2014 1:57:15 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

could it actually be that intact? surprised.


5 posted on 04/09/2014 1:59:20 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: X-spurt

6 posted on 04/09/2014 1:59:52 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: X-spurt
Oceanic Flight 815
7 posted on 04/09/2014 2:00:05 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket)
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To: X-spurt

Lost. Those are Hurley’s winning lottery numbers.


8 posted on 04/09/2014 2:01:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Lost. Those are Hurley’s winning lottery numbers.


9 posted on 04/09/2014 2:01:59 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket)
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To: servo1969

China found it first.


10 posted on 04/09/2014 2:05:26 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: servo1969

I thought the reported the other day that they couldn’t find the pings again.


11 posted on 04/09/2014 2:06:54 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see.)
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To: servo1969

“Flight 370 effort could soon shift from search to recovery”

Didn’t they leave out the little bitty part about actually FINDING it?


12 posted on 04/09/2014 2:10:22 PM PDT by moovova
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To: servo1969

I know everyone wants to find this thing...but the costs of retrieving it are going to be astronomical.

I probably sound like a lib wishing the money could be spent more usefully, somewhere else, but I do.


13 posted on 04/09/2014 2:10:52 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: servo1969

Then will the frigging “reporters” talk about something else?


14 posted on 04/09/2014 2:11:17 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: moovova

This is speculation based on yesterday’s news.


15 posted on 04/09/2014 2:13:34 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: servo1969

RE: Flight 370 effort could soon shift from search to recovery

You cannot recover something you have not found. Have they found it?

If not, the title of the thread is BS.


16 posted on 04/09/2014 2:14:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: reaganaut

They heard them, then there was a day or two interval until they were able to find them again.


17 posted on 04/09/2014 2:21:30 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: X-spurt
Don't know about fake, but it IS BS:

Mearns, who is not involved in the effort but knows people who are and has been through the process himself, said he believes Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal heading the Joint Agency Coordination Center, is deliberately awaiting incontrovertible visual evidence out of respect for the passengers' families.
Fox hype. All based on one man's opinion.

If they locate a solid signal, I'd be pissed off big-time if I were a surviving family member that they held onto that until they got 'visual'. The guy's just using Fox as well for free publicity, albeit pissing off the entirety of the families doing so.

They're supposedly using the Towed ROV Artemis for this part of the search. Once they've completed a pattern they should be able to pinpoint the source.

If I were a family member, that would be good enough for me (and the least I'd want to know).

18 posted on 04/09/2014 2:27:06 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: moovova
I think this will be a lot like finding Scorpion in the 60's. Too deep for large segment recovery and only photos will be taken as validation.

To be honest, recovery of the FDR and Cockpit Voice Recorder will likely reveal very little as to cause, only the final outcome.

Then the conspiracy nuts will have to invent whole new scenarios. One sure to pop us is that the Chinese placed everything there so they could "discover" it.

19 posted on 04/09/2014 2:30:40 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: SeekAndFind
If not, the title of the thread is BS.

Congratulations...you've summed up 99.9% of the reportage on Flight 370.

20 posted on 04/09/2014 2:30:43 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (For every Ted Cruz we send to DC, I can endure 2-3 "unviable" candidates that beat incumbents.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

No, it was in different area and it was sea sound.


21 posted on 04/09/2014 2:36:40 PM PDT by jennychase
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To: logi_cal869
The pingers are omni-directional beacons. They radiate circular waves subject to many influences such as thermoclines and debris field masking or distortion of the signal. Any sonar, RF or acoustical guru would be able to describe a myriad of effects the environment can inpose on a signal.

The search team needs to triangulate the signal with a certain degree of confidence that they indeed have directional bearings. They can only do this by measuring amplitude of the signal i.e if the signal strength is growing stronger, they are moving closer.

That in itself is not exact because they could be on a tangent source to the signal. I'm sure the triangulation is exactly what they are doing as I write this.

22 posted on 04/09/2014 2:42:16 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: PghBaldy

It’s getting close to the 30 day expiration date on the batteries.

Didn’t I read somewhere that the batteries on the black boxes were never sent back to Boeing to be serviced?


23 posted on 04/09/2014 2:49:42 PM PDT by k4gypsyrose
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To: k4gypsyrose

The black boxes should be set to ping at an exponentially lower rate until the batteries are exhausted, much later.


24 posted on 04/09/2014 2:53:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

I was trying to figure out what this meant, thinking I was stupid. Thanks.


25 posted on 04/09/2014 3:10:03 PM PDT by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: pfflier

I was referring to the Fox headline as BS, based on one man not in the search at all.

I referred to the ROV ‘pattern’ just as you describe with ‘triangulate’.

All conspiracy-theories aside, a confirmed source on the ocean floor would be good enough for me to put this to bed, as unless all the seats are empty of an intact fuselage or there’s an orgy of evidence contained within, there’s nothing else to learn unless there was new data intentionally read into the CDR after all the pertinent data had been overwritten of the timeframe when it went missing. FDR will just confirm its final moments.


26 posted on 04/09/2014 3:10:10 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

They are going to get the boxes but the rest might just stay. Unless the get the ship the navy built to retrieve the russian sub from the 60’s or 70’s? They got a piece of it but it broke trying to bring it up.

http://www.aviationexplorer.com/Howard%20Hughes/hughes_glomar_explorer_ship_boat.jpg

Story here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2450478/posts


27 posted on 04/09/2014 3:10:32 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Tastes like Heaven, Burns like Hell! Mmmmmm. What is it?)
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To: servo1969
Yawn...wake me up when you have a recovered flight data recorder or aircraft debris. Until then, all this is just bloviating Bravo Sierra.
28 posted on 04/09/2014 3:12:09 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Chickensoup

That’s from “Lost”, the TV show.


29 posted on 04/09/2014 3:12:51 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: servo1969

The 4 new pings are mapped here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3142497/posts?page=48#48

and they are within only a few miles of each other.


30 posted on 04/09/2014 3:14:52 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: logi_cal869
I doubt with any kind of water impact, the fuselage would be largely intact. The biggest hint of the type of impact will be the size of the debris field and the size of the individual pieces.

I agree with you about the talking heads. They are filling time between commercials knowing nothing more than we do.

31 posted on 04/09/2014 3:19:32 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

The problem is the missing debris. I’ve posted prior that given the fact they’ve been searching in the wrong area for weeks due to reliance on the geeks from Inmarsat, there should (ironically) be debris washing up on beaches in Malaysia in the next week or so.

If it broke up, there is floating debris (AF447 produced a debris field several miles long after just a few days); they’ve just been looking in all the wrong places...if it went in controlled, it was daylight and a calm ocean could very well see an intact fuselage (which, if one theory is proved, would be exactly what one would want if he/they wanted to ‘prolong the pain’, i.e., the ‘mystery’...).


32 posted on 04/09/2014 3:33:41 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: logi_cal869
Two events come to mind: Ethiopian Airlines 767 landing after fuel exhaustion much the same scenario as we are discussing now.

This plane landed in a relatively smooth open ocean.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A0SO80801UVTXU8AbedXNyoA?p=hijacked+airliner+water+landing&fr=yfp-t-901&fr2=piv-web

US Airways, Capt Sullenberger's landing, was a masterpiece but on a protected inland waterway.

I agree that debris will wash ashore traceable to the missing flight. That may include bodies and body parts.

33 posted on 04/09/2014 4:28:35 PM PDT by pfflier
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I’ve been so hard on the presentation of the ‘data’ as it’s all been a conscious effort to obfuscate (that deja vu thing again). I’ve said since I last swore off this drama that it was one of 2 things, one being the most simple.

The irony is that the Imarsat people have been willing participants in the obfuscation of the present danger to the flying public overseas. I suspect that transmission is also easily killed. If, as I expect, the ‘simple’ scenario plays out, had it not been for those handshakes with the satellite the plane would never be found (I fully expect it to be found intact...I believe THAT’s what was deleted off his simulator: Water landing practice, and likely navigational practice as well).

The other irony is that now every terrorist on the planet knows that the cockpits are not nearly as secure on some international carriers as those on US carriers, as well as the fact that now it’s public knowledge on how to disappear a jumbo jet (one complicit technician away...snip the right wire and no satellite ping).

The simple explanation and the obfuscation, of course, I assert are one in the same. If you go back and take a look at the past 3 weeks of news, it’s patently obvious and, furthermore, I expect that even ‘if’ the CVR is located, nothing will come of it (no matter what’s on it) as the LAST thing ANYONE involved in this wants (save for the Chinese maybe) is to make widely public that, again, this was (IMHO) a fanatical Muslim pilot that murdered 238 people. That was my supposition since day 1.

Regardless of which direction he flew, a Muslim hijacked the jumbo jet with at least 237 hostages on a suicide mission ala Egypt Air and that’s been intentionally quashed.

It should be the FIRST thing that’s brought up again before a single piece of the plane...


34 posted on 04/09/2014 5:35:58 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I agree. Given all that has transpired I think they need to find out what brought the plane down so they can see what countermeasures or improvements could prevent this from happening again ... If that is even possible. Malaysians should be paying for this not us.


35 posted on 04/09/2014 6:34:29 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

we didn’t forget......damn that show....


36 posted on 04/09/2014 7:58:48 PM PDT by cherry
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37 posted on 04/12/2014 1:56:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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