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Do illegal immigrants have an obligation to obey laws banning them from entering the United States?
The Washington Post's The Volokh Conspiracy ^ | April 7, 2014 | Professor Ilya Somin, George Mason Univ. School of Law

Posted on 04/08/2014 9:28:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

One oft-made argument against illegal immigration is that it is morally wrong simply because it is illegal. Immigrants have an obligation to obey the law. If they violate it by entering the country illegally, that by itself is enough justification for deporting them, regardless of whether their illegal entry actually harms anyone or not. In an interesting recent Fox News interview, former Florida governor and possible Republican presidential contender Jeb Bush takes issue with some aspects of this argument:

Jeb Bush said the debate over immigration reform needs to move past derisive rhetoric describing illegal immigrants.

The former Florida governor said in an interview Sunday in College Station, Texas, that people who come to the United States illegally are often looking for opportunities to provide for their families that are not available in their home countries.

“Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love, it’s an act of commitment to your family,” Bush told Fox News host Shannon Bream at town hall event at the George Bush Presidential Library Center….

“I honestly think that is a different kind of crime, that there should be a price paid, but it shouldn’t rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families,” he said.

“I think we need to kind of get beyond the harsh political rhetoric to a better place.”

In contrast to many critics of illegal immigration, Bush recognizes that the reasons why illegal immigrants violate the law matter to any moral evaluation of their actions. Those reasons might be irrelevant from a standpoint that condemns all illegality equally, regardless of the situation. But few Americans actually endorse any such position....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; bush; illegals; immigration; jebbush; lawlessness
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1 posted on 04/08/2014 9:28:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who cares? As long as they’re arrested and deported the law is being served.


2 posted on 04/08/2014 9:30:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please! They no more feel an obligation to follow the law when they first cross the border anymore then they feel an obligation to follow the law after they cross the border.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 9:32:08 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they belonged to a Christian church, you would think that they would know how immoral their life becomes when they smuggle themselves into a foreign country and flaunt it’s laws and become a part of a community of criminals and stolen documents, forgery, and a life built on lies and crime.

It isn’t just a single immoral act, it is a premeditated choosing of a criminal lifestyle, a long term commitment to living wrong.


4 posted on 04/08/2014 9:35:20 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gosh, what an asinine question. Of course they do. If for no other reason than international law and national Sovereignty .


5 posted on 04/08/2014 9:36:09 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

if they don’t nobody can argue why any americans have to obey any mexican laws while’in mexico.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 9:36:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: TigersEye

ummm, you know that is not happening, right? or did i miss the sarc...?


7 posted on 04/08/2014 9:41:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; xzins
Yes, they broke the law, but it’s not a felony. It’s an act of love, it’s an act of commitment to your family,” Bush told Fox News

Robbing a bank to take care of your family could also be considered an act of love. Embezzling from a large company might not hurt anyone and if it is done as a commitment to your family then that could be considered an act of love.

Murdering your cheating husband to get insurance money to send your kids to college could be considered an act of love.

Jeb Bush has disqualified himself from ever again holding public office of any kind.

8 posted on 04/08/2014 9:43:09 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I know it's not happening but it's not sarcasm. It's my answer to the title question. It's what it ought to be along with this.

Do those things and illegal aliens will deport themselves and pay for the trip.

9 posted on 04/08/2014 9:50:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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Hey what the heck, we don't need laws. Nobody seems inclined to obey them so let's do away with them. Do away with laws, lawyers, lawmakers, law enforcement officers. Heck we can all just do what we want. Don't want to pay taxes, well, it's just an act of love wanting to take care of your loved ones. Want that new Escalade? Just take it, after all, it's an act of love.

I can not tell you how sickened I am about the so called leaders of this country encouraging lawlessness.

10 posted on 04/08/2014 9:55:48 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: TigersEye

“Who cares? As long as they’re arrested and deported”

Right. Those in the executive branch of our government are elected and paid to execute our laws. It is not their prerogative to enforce only those laws that favor their constituencies, while ignoring those laws that they don’t like.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 9:59:47 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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I'm confused. I thought the Attorney General just said that
he has "vast discretion" as to which laws he will enforce!?! /s
12 posted on 04/08/2014 10:06:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They have an obligation to do an act of love, and stay the F out. Come to America the legal way.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 10:07:32 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually they are breaking Mexico law as in the 1917 Mexican Constitution which does not allow Mexican citizens to leave Mexico without first getting written permission from their local consulate.

Double jeopardy flouted by both govts.


14 posted on 04/08/2014 10:07:39 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: McGavin999
If you don't like the laws you can just ignore the laws.

If you don't like your health care law you can just rewrite your health care law.
(If you're The Won)

15 posted on 04/08/2014 10:09:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are hungry for a better life and the border is wide open. The GOP when in control did not deal with the issue. The DEMS won’t deal with the issue.

Meanwhile you have high school grads that have gone all the way through school from kindergarten and they are called illegal.

The ones that should be deported are the ones in Congress for creating a giant, collasal, humungous mess.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 10:09:57 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: ansel12

Your post is complete and total BS, no offense intended.


17 posted on 04/08/2014 10:11:22 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Oh the visual of Linsie Graham and Bohner and Cantor getting deported, just pouf, you gotta go is amusing.

Like in the “Holy Grail” when the guy answers the troll’s question wrong, after ansering a few very complicated questions right, he says red is his favorite color, “no, it’s blue... ARRGH!” Off he goes with the force of an unseen authority.

LOL


18 posted on 04/08/2014 10:35:40 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When an illegal enters the country it puts the country in danger for the simple fact that the illegal could be anybody, from a serial killer, rapist, robber, terrorist, or somebody carrying a plague like disease, you just don’t know. Protection of the country is why we have an immigration system, and anytime someone bypasses that or supports it they are making a direct threat toward the country.

I like to tell liberals “Leave your door wide open at night and post signs all over town telling people anybody can walk in while you are sleeping and tell me if you think that is safe” Illegal immigration is the SAME thing and any politician who supports that is not only breaking his oath of office but is also committing TREASON.

Idiots like Jeb Bush should look at websites like this:

http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp


19 posted on 04/08/2014 10:45:15 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: ansel12

Great post .


20 posted on 04/08/2014 11:10:41 PM PDT by Finalmente
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