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Ukraine Rejects Gas Price Rise Set By Russia
AGI ^ | April 5, 2014

Posted on 04/05/2014 6:56:40 AM PDT by Fennie

(AGI) Kiev, April 5 - Ukraine has declared that they will not pay the price of almost 500 dollars per cubic metre for Russian gas, announced recently by the Russian gas consortium Gazprom.

Kiev has also accused Moscow of conducting 'economic' aggression'. "Political presure will prove useless, we are not accepting the price of 500 dollars", Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenuk said during a cabinet meeting.

He added: "Russia has not succeeded in conquering Ukraine with military aggression, so now they are opting for an economic aggression."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: economy; energy; gas; gaz; gazprom; naturalgas; putin; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 04/05/2014 6:56:40 AM PDT by Fennie
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To: Fennie

I think America should borrow the money from China to pay Ukraine’s debts. After all, it only seems fair.


2 posted on 04/05/2014 6:59:40 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Fennie
Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenuk said during a cabinet meeting. He added: "Russia has not succeeded in conquering Ukraine with military aggression, so now they are opting for an economic aggression."

Ha, I nailed it weeks ago this was going to happen. Wait until the EU gets their new rates from Putin. They don't like it, he'll shut 'em off.

3 posted on 04/05/2014 7:00:42 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Fennie
Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenuk said during a cabinet meeting. He added: "Russia has not succeeded in conquering Ukraine with military aggression, so now they are opting for an economic aggression."

Ha, I nailed it weeks ago this was going to happen. Wait until the EU gets their new rates from Putin. They don't like it, he'll shut 'em off.

4 posted on 04/05/2014 7:03:13 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Fennie
What??? Is this satire? The Ukraine gov doesn't get to choose what a nation they're hostile to charges them for stuff.

Maybe the thug government could sell eastern Ukraine to Russia to pay for their fuel.

5 posted on 04/05/2014 7:03:43 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania

Comrade, you have it backwards. The Russians are the aggressors here and the thug government is Putin’s!!!


6 posted on 04/05/2014 7:06:57 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Fennie

And when Russia cuts the gas, is the US going to start airlifting supplies??


7 posted on 04/05/2014 7:13:37 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Fennie
What will the Ukraine do - tap the lines that Russia ran through it? Would that lead to a quick move to annex the Ukraine with "just cause" being claimed?

Russia is planning/running new lines that bypass the Ukraine and should be operational or nearly so by now - how long before they just stop supplying the existing lines?

8 posted on 04/05/2014 7:21:22 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Truth29

This maybe a great market for US Coal.


9 posted on 04/05/2014 7:21:37 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: grania

Russia owes Ukraine compensation for Crimea and for pirating the entire Ukrainian Navy. They are no position to the claim moral high ground.


10 posted on 04/05/2014 7:23:10 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Truth29
And when Russia cuts the gas, is the US going to start airlifting supplies??

You're thinking of the old USA.

The new USA will draw a line in the sand, give a belligerent speech, and lead from behind.

11 posted on 04/05/2014 7:26:41 AM PDT by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: grania
What??? Is this satire? The Ukraine gov doesn't get to choose what a nation they're hostile to charges them for stuff.

Are you even trying to be objective?

Russia pays Ukraine to transport oil thru Ukrainian pipelines to Europe. Ukraine can raise the price of transport Russian.

A: no

12 posted on 04/05/2014 7:28:11 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Fennie

It doesn’t seem that Ukraine has much of a choice —

Russia has them by the short hairs and their only choice is to turn the thermostat down or go begging to Europe for money to pay Russia or raise the price of what they sell to Russia.


13 posted on 04/05/2014 7:34:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: lodi90
Both the Crimea and the ships belonged to the USSR, until they were swindled out of it during the breakup of the USSR.

That includes all the nukes that were there.

14 posted on 04/05/2014 7:36:41 AM PDT by duckln
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To: Fennie

I reject the price set by the Cable company for service. This is great,,,, didn’t know you could do this.


15 posted on 04/05/2014 7:38:43 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Fennie
I don't think it matters. Ukrainians soon won't have the $$ to pay for gas no matter what the price:

According to a report in Kommersant-Ukraine, the finance ministry of Washington’s stooges in Kiev who are pretending to be a government has prepared an economic austerity plan that will cut Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor.

16 posted on 04/05/2014 7:39:00 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The dogs bark; the caravan moves on!)
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To: DesertRhino
I reject the price set by the Cable company for service. This is great,,,, didn’t know you could do this.

Netflix/Roku.

You won't look back.

17 posted on 04/05/2014 7:43:16 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: grania
Maybe the thug government could sell eastern Ukraine to Russia to pay for their fuel.

The United States has a "Thug" government. Should we just allow Russia to take Alaska back because they got ripped off by Secretary Seward?

Russia has a much worse Thug Government than the Ukraine. Russia thug government is one of the worst both now and throughout the last 100 years.

Russia's thug govenment managed to murder about 10,000,000 Ukrainians when the thug was Stalin. Putin's moral compass is no more pure than Joseph Stalin's.

18 posted on 04/05/2014 7:47:40 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: Fennie
Yeah, they reject the price of the gas now.

Get a hold of them next December and see if they've reconsidered.

19 posted on 04/05/2014 7:48:16 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: Fennie

Europe has the same problem...shutting down coal and nuclear plants, but failing to switch immediatly to windmills and pond scum. With pond scum in the summer and windmill power only when the wind blows what could possibly go wrong? Other than a European depression for example. But so environmentally sound!


20 posted on 04/05/2014 7:49:32 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: skimbell

Exactly. With the onset of spring time, its easy to say you’re not going to pay. When fall rolls around, not so easy.


21 posted on 04/05/2014 7:52:55 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: FreeReign

Why couldn’t Ukraine raise the price of using the pipelines, unless the Russian oil companies own them? The free economy and something like this going on without outside meddling might actually cause some dialogue.


22 posted on 04/05/2014 7:53:37 AM PDT by grania
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To: FreeReign
Russia pays Ukraine to transport oil thru Ukrainian pipelines to Europe. Ukraine can raise the price of transport Russian.

What happens when costs go up for your utility provider? Think hard...

23 posted on 04/05/2014 7:57:07 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: seowulf
"The new USA will draw a line in the sand, give a belligerent speech, and lead from behind."

Even worse, we'll probably give Ukraine financial aid which will then be transferred to Russia to pay for the gas. Magic! Obama pays Putin.

24 posted on 04/05/2014 7:58:54 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: Uncle Chip

“It doesn’t seem that Ukraine has much of a choice —”

Wrong. Work is already underway to reverse the flow of natural gas in the pipelines to supply the Ukraine from Weastern Europe at market prices. Although the move will not satisfy Ukraine’s supply and economic needs in the short term, new supplies can be delivered to the Ukraine in the mid-term and long term from a variety of sources. Western Europe in the long term is also going to need the same alternative supplies as the Ukraine. Those new supplies can come from massive fields in the Mediterranean, the North Sea, and fracking existing fields in Eastern Europe.

The problems may be especially difficult in the short term, but they are quite soluble in the long term. Loss of most of Europe as customers for Russia will have long term disastrous effects upon the economy of Russia as it did upon the Soviet Union.


25 posted on 04/05/2014 7:59:26 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: mac_truck
What happens when costs go up for your utility provider?

And of course if Ukraine raises the price to Gazprom of transport equal to raise in price Russia charges Ukraine... then there is no cost increase to the "utility provider", Russia.

Do the math Boris.

Think hard...

Irony.

26 posted on 04/05/2014 8:02:44 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: seowulf

We did send them some MRE’s. /sarc


27 posted on 04/05/2014 8:07:52 AM PDT by formosa
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To: DesertRhino

Perhaps you didn’t know to put in //sarc notation.


28 posted on 04/05/2014 8:10:12 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Truth29

Anyone besides me think this Ukraine thingy was more or less what nobama n Pooty’s whispers “I’ll be more flexible after election”, was really about?


29 posted on 04/05/2014 8:15:16 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: lodi90

When Russia steals Ukrainian weapons, like its ships, Putin’s robots on FReeRepublic cheer him for being a successful thief and bully.


30 posted on 04/05/2014 8:30:31 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom.)
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To: elhombrelibre
When Russia steals Ukranian weapons...

1. Someone posted that they were Russian weapons that stayed in Ukraine upon its independence.

2. Did Russia "steal" the majority of Ukrainian military that chose to stay in the Ukraine, too?

31 posted on 04/05/2014 8:38:05 AM PDT by grania
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To: Fennie

Maybe we can go broke faster by sending them some of our grandchildren`s money to pay?


32 posted on 04/05/2014 8:41:37 AM PDT by nomad
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33 posted on 04/05/2014 8:42:18 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

I am guessing if ts ok for Russia to do this, there will be no problem with Israel cutting power to Gaza?


34 posted on 04/05/2014 8:51:04 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: elhombrelibre

When Russia steals Ukrainian weapons, like its ships, Putin’s robots on FReeRepublic cheer him for being a successful thief and bully.


My 5 year old does the same thing. He says what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine.


35 posted on 04/05/2014 8:58:32 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: grania

1. Someone posted that they were Russian weapons that stayed in Ukraine upon its independence.

2. Did Russia “steal” the majority of Ukrainian military that chose to stay in the Ukraine, too?


So when does Chechnya get self determination? When will Konigsberg be returned to Germany?

Piracy is a clear issue under international law. Russia has pirated Ukrainian ships. No amount of Russian squat toilet licking propaganda changes that.


36 posted on 04/05/2014 9:02:24 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: P-Marlowe

Suppose Sarah Palin leads Alaska to vote to leave the US and join Russia.


37 posted on 04/05/2014 9:09:03 AM PDT by Owen
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To: lodi90
So when does Chechnya get self determination?

You're using CHECHNYA as an example?? The bombing of the Boston marathon could've been prevented last year if the US had heeded Russia's warnings about those darn terrorist bombers.

38 posted on 04/05/2014 9:24:48 AM PDT by grania
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To: lodi90

~So when does Chechnya get self determination? When will Konigsberg be returned to Germany?~

Konigsberg now is basically a navy base, a tiny commercial port, and a couple auto plants (BMW and GM Chevrolet). It’s population are sailors, dockers, prostitutes and auto workers.


39 posted on 04/05/2014 9:32:13 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: elhombrelibre

Your endless tirades calling freepers “putins robots and/or putinistas is getting old. If you dislike so many of us why do you continue to hang around?


40 posted on 04/05/2014 9:47:46 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Fennie
We're talking natural gas here, right?

If so, the US has an over abundance of it and it's time we start shipping more LNG to those who want it. Don't know what the logistics are, but we are rich in natural gas. Still, don't know why our gas bills haven't gone down. Pretty much suspect the speculators. Same above for oil.

41 posted on 04/05/2014 10:00:38 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: lodi90
pirating the entire Ukrainian Navy

This sounds so laughable. I think it's the world's first case when someone has 'pirated' a navy. Usually, they pirate merachant ships, while navies are expected to defend themselves, you know.

42 posted on 04/05/2014 10:02:23 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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The price wasn’t raised for Ukraine....the billions in vast subsidies were cut and price raised to what other European countries pay. This puts Ukraine in position for renewed negotiations.....they will have no choice but to meet with Russia...which is what Putin wants.

This pressure is exactly as the EU and US do as well, when they want to force their agendas. Ukraine is in the squeeze now to get that from all players.


43 posted on 04/05/2014 10:09:27 AM PDT by caww
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To: A Navy Vet
Still, don't know why our gas bills haven't gone down. Pretty much suspect the speculators. Same above for oil.

Government, actually, is who keeps that money from the spread of expected prices vs existing prices, as well as the money from 'penalties' for using more than the 'allowed therms per month (or whatever measurement your locality uses.)'

I have to admit, my head hurts when I try to figure out how to convert prices per thousand cubic meters to MMbtu. So I really can't figure out the equivelent price that Ukraine is paying. I suspect it is around 4.74 per MMbtu under this new price.

But hey, aside from the original article leaving off that the price is rising to $485 per a THOUSAND cubic meters, there's also this: gazprom press release - the rise in price is Russia enforcing old accords in an effort to follow the demands of the EU that they follow all existing accords. Ahh, Russians, they do love to beat people with their own sticks.

44 posted on 04/05/2014 10:11:55 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: caww
The price wasn’t raised for Ukraine....the billions in vast subsidies were cut and price raised to what other European countries pay. This puts Ukraine in position for renewed negotiations.....they will have no choice but to meet with Russia...which is what Putin wants.

Well... more along the lines of 'we've been selling this gas duty free for a while, in exchange for that port in Crimea, but since you no longer provide that service, we're no longer waiving the duty fees. Oh, and give us 2.2 billion for the gas you've already received that you still owe us.'

45 posted on 04/05/2014 10:14:50 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Fennie

“Tell those whiners to turn down their thermostats and put on a sweater!” ~ President Carter


46 posted on 04/05/2014 10:19:18 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Solson

Why is it an “aggressive move” when Russia is simply cutting off the billions of subsidies it gave Ukraine? It’s how Nation leaders work to get people at the table to negotiate....The EU isn’t going to give them oil....there’s no time if not impossible to do so.

Are you watching the trade agreements TTP and others?...Just standard operations to use resources as leverage on the world stage. Ukraine is not exempt from that.... EU made their move on Ukraine.....and this knowing it would shake oil distribution. The EU/US are not doing more for Ukraine then stabilizing it and positioning it for their own purposes....certainly not Ukraine’s interests.

Ukraine got played, and is still being played like a pawn on a chessboard.....it always has. Similar to the Palestinian issues....Ukraine will always be a “hot spot” politically....the reasons we see playing out currently.

When you see Putins development plans for Crimea, which for years has been ignored by Ukraine....and then you see EU’S plans in Ukraine you see mostly it’s about stabilizing the Government and trade with EU. Not building it’s country back up.


47 posted on 04/05/2014 10:22:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: kingu
Yep...that's pretty much the it of it....did they somehow think it would be otherwise?

Unfortunately Ukraines “freedom” will always be on the table from one revolution to the next...Russia's already going around Ukraine in the future...and the EU will basically drop the ball overall..and there they will sit.

Ukraine didn't see very far down the road...and they still don't. Same Governing people are running for Pres. as in the past....at most Ukraine will be neutral...with agreements No US missile bases in Ukraine...and the oil MIGHT flow.

48 posted on 04/05/2014 10:30:04 AM PDT by caww
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49 posted on 04/05/2014 10:50:56 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: mac_truck
You poke the bear too many times and it's going to roar....Putin warned them all....they didn't listen, recently posted in the Moscow times


50 posted on 04/05/2014 10:52:13 AM PDT by caww
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