Skip to comments.Michigan Gov. Repeals Ban on Short-Barreled Rifles
Posted on 03/31/2014 5:56:13 AM PDT by xzins
Last week Michigan Governor Rick Snyder (R) signed legislation repealing that state's ban on privately owned short-barreled rifles and shotguns.
Buyers of short-barreled rifles and shotguns still face extra scrutiny at the federal level via the National Firearms Act. This requires them to undergo a background check, "pay a $200 federal tax, and register these firearms with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives."
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Self-preservation. Family preservation. Freedom preservation.
What about these is difficult to comprehend?
God gave me the right to defend self, family, and freedom, so the 2nd amendment is really not even part of the discussion.
However, it’s inspired that the Founders were wise enough to list it in their document as a protected freedom.
The article doesn’t define short barreled. Would, for instance, a mossberg 500 fall into that category or are they talking about barrel lengths less than 18 inches?
What about a rifled shotgun barrel?
Do those exist? A shotgun is a smoothbore barreled longarm. I don't think I've ever seen a rifled shotgun barrel.
Yes. Used for shooting rifled slugs for big game, generally used in states or areas that disallow rifles.
There are rifled slug barrels for shotguns.
Yes, I own one. Fits my 870. Made by Hastings.
I haven’t read the law. You’d think they’d define it in terms of inches, but a police state would prefer to leave it to the judgment of the observer. That way they’d have another law that most gun owners would always be in violation of.
All sorts of bullets available.
A smooth bore is classified as a "shotgun" regardless of length, that is why all handgun barrels (aside from black powder, which are exempted) are all rifled. A smooth-bore pistol barrel is technically an illegal short-barreled shotgun.
A shotgun barrel is almost never rifled because a rifled barrel will spin the load of shot, and the centrifugal force will cause the shot pattern to go into a donut shape.
People who have tried shooting pigeons with .22 shot pellets will drive themselves crazy, because if the bird is at the point of aim, he will likely emerge unscathed.
Slugs may have rifled sabots which would cause the slug to spin down the barrel, but the barrel itself is smooth.
So many why’s and if’s in ATF enforcement. There is very little rational thought to the laws or enforcement.
Why is a smoothbore .410 with a 15” barrel illegal, while the Taurus Judge is legal?
Why do I need a class 3 to have a “concealable short-barrelled shotgun” if I already have a concealed weapons permit?
If pistols are more dangerous than rifles (which is inferred from how they are treated) then why is illegal to turn a pistol into a rifle?
If pistols are legal, why is it illegal to turn a rifle into a pistol?
Loved that gun had matching his and her sets but sadly Galveston Bay claimed those.
I want to know why I can’t fool around trying to protect my and my children’s hearing by fabricating homemade suppressors without gov’t interference.
Yes, rifled shotgun barrels are not uncommon for slugs.
But the ATF still treats them as shotguns, at least if the bore is over .50. Note that with the .410 it is ATF Calvin Ball. Saw off a single shot .410 shotgun and go to Federal prison; however, you can purchase a brand new Taurus Judge pistol designed to shoot .410 shells.
“What about a rifled shotgun barrel?
Do those exist? A shotgun is a smoothbore barreled longarm. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a rifled shotgun barrel.”
Yes, Virginia, they do. Of course, to be technical, a shotgun is no longer a shotgun once a rifled barrel is placed on it. If you get my drift.
Go to Remington.com and feast yer eyes on the deer barrels and such.
0.73” rifles are apparently an issue.....
A few other recent actions
House Bill 5092: Establish that open firearms carry is not brandishing
Passed 105 to 4 in the House on March 13, 2014, to define brandishing a firearm as to point, wave about, or display in a threatening manner with the intent to induce fear. Under current law brandishing is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 90 days in jail. See also House Bill 5091.
See Who Voted Yes and Who Voted No at http://www.michiganvotes.org/RollCall.aspx?ID=687502
House Bill 4155: Make government firearms ownership databases non-public information
Passed 81 to 28 in the House on March 13, 2014, to establish that state databases containing information on licenses issued to individuals to purchase, carry, possess, or transport pistols are confidential and not subject to disclosure under the state Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
See Who Voted Yes and Who Voted No at http://www.michiganvotes.org/RollCall.aspx?ID=687493
Senate Bill 610: Revise state ban on short-barreled rifles and shotguns
Passed 103 to 6 in the House on March 13, 2014, to revise a state ban on short-barreled rifles or shotguns to clarify that it bans guns that are banned under federal law, which exempts antiques and curios and relics.
See Who Voted Yes and Who Voted No at http://www.michiganvotes.org/RollCall.aspx?ID=687500
House Bill 5282: Allow deadly force to defend nuclear plants
Passed 37 to 0 in the Senate on March 25, 2014, to explicitly allow an officer providing security at a nuclear generating plant to use deadly force if he or she honestly and reasonably believes (it) is necessary to prevent a person from breaking in with the intent to inflict harm, engage in radiological sabotage or steal nuclear material. This would include immunity from lawsuits.
See Who Voted Yes and Who Voted No at http://www.michiganvotes.org/RollCall.aspx?ID=688339
House Bill 5420: Ban state and local agencies from participating in federal metadata collection
Introduced by Rep. Tom McMillin (R) on March 20, 2014, to prohibit state agencies, local governments and their employees from assisting or providing material support to a federal agency in collecting electronic data or metadata concerning any person, unless it is pursuant to a specific search or arrest warrant. The bill would also prohibit such information from being used in a criminal investigation or prosecution.
House Bill 4118: Require drug testing of welfare applicants
Passed 25 to 11 in the Senate on March 20, 2014, to require a one-year pilot program in at least three counties that would require drug testing of state welfare benefit recipients and applicants if an empirical screening tool indicates a reasonable suspicion of drug use. Benefits would be halted for six months if a person tests positive or refuses to take the test, with an exception for medical marijuana. If a welfare recipient who is a parent tests positive, the child would still be eligible for assistance, and a protective payee would be designated to receive the parents welfare money. The bill appropriates $500,000 for the pilot program.
See Who Voted Yes and Who Voted No at http://www.michiganvotes.org/RollCall.aspx?ID=687945
House Bill 4885: Cut tax on oil and gas from enhanced recovery
Passed 25 to 13 in the Senate on March 19, 2014, to reduce the severance tax or royalty paid to the state on oil and gas extracted from state land to 4 percent for hydrocarbons extracted using enhanced recovery technology, which injects carbon dioxide into wells to force out more product (this is different from hydraulic fracturing). The current tax ranges from 5.0 to 6.6 percent.
See Who Voted Yes and Who Voted No at http://www.michiganvotes.org/RollCall.aspx?ID=687838
“0.73 rifles are apparently an issue...”
I asked my wife. She said they are ok in our house.
Can’t say I disapprove of any of those. Thanks for posting them.
Loving this comeback kid.
The governors in Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, and Wisconsin aren’t perfect by any means, but they’ve been far better for their states than any democrat predecessor.
Have no fear, they still have plenty of time to do stupid crap too.
So what’s the big deal with short-barreled rifles and shotguns? I don’t see how they’re inherently more dangerous to the user.
Why is it 16” for rifles and 18” for shotguns?
Why is a smoothbore .410 with a 15 barrel illegal, while the Taurus Judge is legal?
I can’t offer logic, but that’s the distinction under the law.
It’s illegal to put a shoulder stock onto most pistols for this reason, even though it makes them less concealable and shoot more accurately.
Yeah, or a single shot TC Contender with a .410 barrel.
Yes, but the distinction with the .410 pistols is the rifling. If you were to hone the bore smooth, it would be illegal.
So can you have a rifled 20ga pistol? No, because its greater than .50 inches, although that doesn't totally make since, as there is no distinction made between calibers that are "destructive devices" in a pistol versus a rifle.
And many of these aren't actually laws, but ATF distinctions.
After watching Hickok 45 shoot one of those, I don’t think I want to stress my wrists like that.
“If pistols are legal, why is it illegal to turn a rifle into a pistol?” Shhhh, I’ve built for myself an AR15 pistol which is legal in TN so long as the barrel stays under 12 inches.
Seeing is believing.
I’m told that because of the grip being slanted on the 7.62 x 54R the stress on the wrist is not nearly as bad. There are shot barrels on shotguns with the sloped grip. My son has a couple and says the wrist deflection is much reduced.
Look at the mess liberalism made. All that to protect a clear and explicit right. Wow, we’re a long way off track.
I also want to know if the Mossberg 500 police version has been de-legitimized.
I’d guess VP Biden would approve of it for home protection.
Yes, for shooting the plastic sabots that contain a slug smaller than 12 gauge. I prefer rifled slugs that have grooves on the slug and should be fired in a smooth bore improved cylinder. I have a 20” Remington barrel for my 870 that is smooth bore with rifle sights and uses screw in chokes, the improved cylinder for rifled slugs, a full choke for turkey hunting and a rifled choke if I wanted to use sabots. The Improved cylinder is also best for 00 buck.
I’ve only ever used rifled slugs. The idea of a rifled shotgun barrel is strange to me. Would it not be, at that point, a rifle? That’s the very nature of the word: rifle/rifling. Would 00 or any pelletized shell gain an advantage through the rifling, or is it intended to be used solely with sabot rounds?
Learn something new everyday.
Any law repugnant to the Constitution is null and void.....
18” is the minimum length for ordinary shotgun barrels. 16” is the minimum length for ordinary rifle barrels. If you want to cut off one to a shorter length than those it requires pre-registration, background check and a $200 tax under the National Firearms Act of 1934. If they come from the FACTORY that way originally, then they are categorized as an “Any Other Weapon” and only require a $5.00 tax, plus registration and background check. All are “Class III” weapons, as are machine guns, and all are legal in Texas.
NO on the Mossberg Model 500 “Persuader”. That is an ordinary gun, not an NFA Firearm.
It is the arbitrary and capricious LAW. Ask some who worked for FDR in 1934. He also wanted to ban HANDGUNS!
There are rifled handguns that shoot shotgun shells. No legal smoothbore ones, though, except NFA weapons.
It IS in inches.
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