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The Scandal That Is Eating the Heart Out of the Catholic Church in America
American Life League ^ | March 24, 2014 | Fr. Vincent Fitzpatrick

Posted on 03/27/2014 6:21:24 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan

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To: Sherman Logan
While I’m prolife myself, I think claiming that politicians who are pro-choice are therefore themselves guilty of every abortion committed is stretching the argument a step too far.

When they legalize it and advocate for it, they ARE guilty of it.

21 posted on 03/27/2014 11:02:22 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Arthur McGowan
From Wiki: The publicly unworthy are to be kept from the reception of the Divine Eucharist[2][3]

Makes ME wonder about the PRIVATELY unworthy...

22 posted on 03/27/2014 1:16:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: oldbrowser
There is a line somewhere between ministering to sinners and condoning their sins.

Just WATCH the replies the following information generates:


Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

23 posted on 03/27/2014 1:18:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Alberta's Child
Getting rid of the Jews WAS legal...
...in Germany.

Abortion IS legal...
...in America.

24 posted on 03/27/2014 1:19:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RonF
I always go back to the story about the adulteress who was to be stoned by the mob. Jesus stopped them from condemning her to death and stoning her.


Jesus was walking along one day, when He came upon a group of people surrounding a lady of ill repute. It was obvious that the crowd was preparing to stone her, so Jesus made His now-famous statement, "Let the person who has no sin cast the first stone."

The crowd was shamed and one by one began to turn away. All of a sudden, a lovely little woman made her way through the crowd. Finally getting to the front, she tossed a pebble towards the woman.

Jesus looks over and says, "I really hate it when you do that, Mom."

25 posted on 03/27/2014 1:21:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
...an act of perfect contrition...

Just what; EXACTLY; is this?

26 posted on 03/27/2014 1:22:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The privately or secretly unworthy are not to approach for Communion.


27 posted on 03/27/2014 2:43:28 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Elsie

Ho hum.


28 posted on 03/27/2014 2:45:51 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

Luther was a cool dude!


29 posted on 03/27/2014 2:50:55 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sherman Logan

Are “pro-choice” people all guilty of HAVING an abortion?

Of course not.

They are guilty of being “pro-choice”—that is, they are guilty of promoting abortion in some manner.

That IS sufficient to make denying them Communion mandatory.


30 posted on 03/27/2014 3:00:28 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Elsie
...an act of perfect contrition...

Just what; EXACTLY; is this?

It is actually one of the only ways Rome holds a soul can be saved without first being baptized.

Perfect contrition. Sorrow for sin arising from perfect love. In perfect contrition the sinner detests sin more than any other evil, because it offends God, who is supremely good and deserving of all human love.

Perfect contrition removes the guilt and eternal punishment due to grave sin even before sacramental absolution. However, a Catholic is obliged to confess his or her grave sins at the earliest opportunity and may not, in normal circumstances, receive Communion before he or she has been absolved by a priest in the sacrament of penance." [Fr. John Hardon, SJ, Pocket Catholic Dictionary] http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage_print.asp?number=370862

If the contrition be perfect (contritio caritate perfecta), then active justification results, that is, the soul is immediately placed in the state of grace even before the reception of the sacrament of baptism or penance, though not without the desire for the sacrament (votum sacramenti). If, on the other hand, the contrition be only an imperfect one (attritio), then the sanctifying grace can only be imparted by the actual reception of the sacrament (cf. Trent, Sess. VI, cc. iv and xiv). — Catholic Encyclopedia> Sanctifying Grace

They have to allow for this since Cornelius and co. was born again before they were baptized, and because it is a grave sin to leave the priest out of the loop, who will till tell you to pray to other intercessors in Heaven besides or instead of the only and all-sufficient one that the Holy Spirit sets forth. But it helps foster codependency on the One True Corporation®

Yet it is the manner of faith that is expressed in baptism that is salvific and appropriates justification, not the act itself. (Acts 15:7-9)

The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. (Psalms 34:18)

For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. (Isaiah 66:2)

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. (Luke 18:13-14)

A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. (Acts 10:2)

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. (Acts 10:43-44)

31 posted on 03/27/2014 4:13:00 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Are “pro-choice” people all guilty of HAVING an abortion? Of course not. They are guilty of being “pro-choice”—that is, they are guilty of promoting abortion in some manner.

Just thinking of this culpability as i heard again of Saul,

And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him. (Acts 22:20)

32 posted on 03/27/2014 4:16:13 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Right. The sin of these people is not abortion itself; it is “consenting.”


33 posted on 03/27/2014 4:19:40 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Elsie

Yet you missed how bad a pope can be and still miss the list and be good:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3135058/posts?page=772#772
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3135058/posts?page=796#796


34 posted on 03/27/2014 4:21:36 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
In perfect contrition the sinner detests sin more than any other evil, because it offends God, who is supremely good and deserving of all human love.

Does it REALLY say "...any other evil..."?

35 posted on 03/27/2014 6:35:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

They’d just get a “ho hum” as well; I’m afraid.


36 posted on 03/27/2014 6:36:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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