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To: Ken H
UVa student sues state, ABC agents for $40 million

Normally I give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt. I this case (after reading the details of the incident) I agree the "victim" has a case.

I did not see a narrative of the student's physical injuries, if any, but $40 million is a bit much.
Sounds like another case of attorney contingency welfare...

6 posted on 03/26/2014 11:04:09 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: publius911

If the case is being held in Charlottesville, I doubt that the ABC guys have much of a chance. The town survives off the students, and usually is pro-student on just about everything. I doubt she gets the $40 million, but she’ll walk away with at least a quarter of that.


7 posted on 03/26/2014 11:16:25 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: publius911
but $40 million is a bit much.

Normally, I would agree with you.

However, I hope she gets every penny.

Not for her interest, but ours.

The only way you get through to the jack booted thugs and their superiors is to break them monetarily.

I just wish the settlement would come from the retirement fund of these thugs.

If that happened enough around the country, perhaps they would return to serving the people rather than trying to be our masters.

I also hope all these morons are fired.

8 posted on 03/26/2014 11:29:47 PM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: publius911

You just don’t “get” this, do you? And here, I thought that the law-and-order knee-jerk crowd had disappeared recently, “for some reaason”.

Although the system took great pains to protect itself by “expunging” the records, you can bet your a$$ that fingerprints, documents, and so on are still in the system. And the Internet never forgets. You can be assured that this incident will show up in a background check. This person’s future is diminished, irreparably. Yet, you call this person, who was terribly abused and thrown in jail for no reason, a ‘victim’ with quotes.

What is it going to take, short of you yourself becoming a victim, to understand what is happening here? Hasn’t the daily litany of SWAT break-ins, anal searches, dog shootings, and general terrorizing of the populace had even the smallest effect yet?

The damages are for her, in an attempt to make her whole, and for them - as punishment. The entire populace of the area that supported these thugs need to be “victimized” in their wallets, in order to convince them to hire and support law enforcement that actually enforces and upholds - GASP - the law, lawfully.

I want to see “color of law” charges brought against these people. The penalties are still rather severe.


9 posted on 03/26/2014 11:41:35 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: publius911
I did not see a narrative of the student's physical injuries, if any, but $40 million is a bit much.

OK, $2 million, and all seven Farce Enlawment agents should be beaten till they puke blood.

Dude - they MALICIOUSLY charged her with FELONIES, backed by the bottomless wallet of the tyrannical State. They need a nice big helping of chin music to back them off the plate.

11 posted on 03/26/2014 11:44:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: publius911; The Antiyuppie
The filing also alleges that ABC agents mocked Daly’s response later that month before a gathering of about 100 students at a UVa sorority house.

“The agents said the ‘poor girl’ … now faced felony charges and was in trouble and made [Daly] sound dumb and silly for being confused,” the filing states.

Beyond malicious. I'm rethinking the beating thingee.

12 posted on 03/26/2014 11:51:46 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: publius911

As a retired LEO I can tell you everything they did was wrong. NO uniforms, no marked vehicles, SWAT style antics (I wouldn’t dignify what they did by calling it “tactics”). Then trying to cover their asses with a malicious prosecution.

Cops are human. They make mistakes. More than once in my career I or my colleagues grabbed the wrong guy or thought we were witnessing a crime which turned out not to be the case. We promptly removed the cuffs, apologized and gave the individual a ride home. We got sued, once, but the damages were mitigated by our effort to set things right. More often, the victim of our error let it pass. Honest mistakes will almost always be defended and indemnified by the AG or solicitor and governing body. Responsibility for malicious or dishonest acts, errors of the heart, should be borne by the individual officer who commits them. Every department’s policy provides for this. It is too often not enforced.

I do not understand where this mentality comes from that says “If you put the cuffs on, you’d better charge him with something.” That isn’t taught in any academy. It is the first step down the road to lying, perjury and the destruction of credibility and respect. Yet it gets bantered around in locker rooms and perpetuates down through generations of cops.

The only way to counter it is through LEADERSHIP. Unfortunately that is a lost art.


15 posted on 03/27/2014 2:23:10 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: publius911
When a half-dozen men and a woman in street clothes closed in on

With a gun drawn---I think 40 million is more reasonable than those monkeys.

24 posted on 03/27/2014 3:45:01 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: publius911

Most of these lawsuits are trying to make a point.

You’d be surprised how many times lawsuits can be avoided with a sincere apology and the promise that steps will be taken to keep the incident from happening again.

But when hospitals, doctors, and the cops stand strong (or double-down, as in this case) now the person who was wronged is p*ssed. Not only that, but they feel a moral imperative to stop this from happening to someone else.

Many years ago, there was a test study at a hospital where they tried going against the advice of lawyers and simply admitted mistakes and saying they were sorry. Lawsuits dropped dramatically (By 70% in one year, if I remember correctly). It seems that people aren’t out for the money - the money is the only way to hurt the big wrong-doers.

$40 mil - settled for ten percent of that - would hurt the department enough that action would have to be taken.


29 posted on 03/27/2014 4:32:18 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: publius911

Nothing will change until it hurts. I think $40 million is fine. Too bad it wont come out of the agents pockets.

All of this for a supposed case of underage drinking?!


30 posted on 03/27/2014 4:52:37 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: publius911
Normally I give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt...

Normally, I don't and this case is one of many examples why I feel this way.

35 posted on 03/27/2014 5:13:48 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: publius911

” Normally I give law enforcement the
benefit of the doubt.”

And cops have learned to abuse that grace. The rediculousness of cop mistakes has grown significantly to things like the newspaper ladies getting shot.

And truly, cops are not so nearly as understanding of our mistakes as they expect us to be of theirs. Like swat raids. A cop accidentally misidentifies a person as a threat and kills them, opps. Turn it around where a confused person pops a cop, they want murder 1. The professionals can’t be expected to get it right, but they expect the rest of us to do so.


38 posted on 03/27/2014 5:36:28 AM PDT by LevinFan
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