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Malaysia Airliner Communications Shut Down Separately: US Officials Say
Yahoo News ^ | 13 Mar 2014 | MARTHA RADDATZ, DAVID KERLEY and JOSH MARGOLIN

Posted on 03/13/2014 5:02:50 PM PDT by mandaladon

Two U.S. officials tell ABC News the U.S. believes that the shutdown of two communication systems happened separately on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

One source said this indicates the plane did not come out of the sky because of a catastrophic failure.

The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down at 1:07 a.m. The transponder -- which transmits location and altitude -- shut down at 1:21 a.m.

This indicates it may well have been a deliberate act, ABC News aviation consultant John Nance said.

U.S. investigators told ABC News that the two modes of communication were "systematically shut down." That means the U.S. team "is convinced that there was manual intervention," a source said, which means it was likely not an accident or catastrophic malfunction that took the plane out of the sky.

U.S. officials said earlier that they have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching.

It's not clear what the indication was, but senior administration officials told ABC News the missing Malaysian flight continued to "ping" a satellite on an hourly basis after it lost contact with radar. The Boeing 777 jetliners are equipped with what is called the Airplane Health Management system in which they ping a satellite every hour. The number of pings would indicate how long the plane stayed aloft.

It's not clear, however, whether the satellite pings also indicate the plane's location.

The new information has greatly expanded the potential search area into the Indian Ocean.

(Excerpt) Read more at gma.yahoo.com ...


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KEYWORDS: indianocean; malaysia; mh370; planecrash
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That means the U.S. team "is convinced that there was manual intervention," a source said, which means it was likely not an accident or catastrophic malfunction that took the plane out of the sky.................Keeps getting more complicated...
1 posted on 03/13/2014 5:02:50 PM PDT by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon

Proof of terrorism.

Now what?


2 posted on 03/13/2014 5:05:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: maggief; hoosiermama; TigersEye; penelopesire; ConservativeMan55; AllAmericanGirl44; Nachum; ...

PING


3 posted on 03/13/2014 5:06:15 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: crosslink

bump!


4 posted on 03/13/2014 5:07:20 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Yaelle

“Proof of terrorism.”

And no proof it crashed. A cell jammer would stop passenger reports.

This is unwinding down a strange path.


5 posted on 03/13/2014 5:11:04 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: mandaladon
they have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner may have crashed in the Indian Ocean

Probably terrorists took control and were planning to crash it into a target, probably in India or maybe Diego Garcia.

Either passengers did a Let's Roll or the terrorists couldn't manage to fly low without crashing.

Governments will blame it on a spontaneous explosion in a previously-unknown fuel tank located in the aft toilet.

6 posted on 03/13/2014 5:13:22 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: DBrow

My head is exploding with all these theories!!!
I feel like I am having a nightmare taking a test on physics theories and I am so confused! ha.


7 posted on 03/13/2014 5:13:57 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: DBrow

Expect the EMP of CONUS 72hrs before Arpaio announces documented evidence of Hussein’s 7 stolen SSNs.

Stock up on Rice Krispies.


8 posted on 03/13/2014 5:14:19 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: mandaladon

We are sending one ship into the Indian Ocean.

Since the area to be searched there is huge, my gut tells me that our submarines have picked up the pinging of the black boxes and are directing where the USS Kidd should head to, in order to search for surface debris.

With our global spy satellite system, there is no way we do not know where this plane went, where it is, and even what was said in radio transmissions.

The way this investigation is unfolding suggests that many governments are playing a waiting game, and not revealing what they know until they absolutely have to.

If we are now saying the Indian Ocean is the target area, it is because we are calling everyone else’s bluff on the intelligence they have offered to date—Malaysians, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.

There has not been one piece of reliable information about this plane in over six days—except that it did not reach its destination.


9 posted on 03/13/2014 5:14:27 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: mandaladon

The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down at 1:07 a.m. The transponder
— which transmits location and altitude — shut down at 1:21 a.m.

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I’m not an aviation expert but the above to me could mean that some event other than manual
shut down by a pilot could the cause of the differing times.

The following gives an indication that the plane was aloft way beyond the shut down of the
data reporting systems. Thus it could be some type of hijacking. But where is the plane now?

.....but senior administration officials told ABC News the missing Malaysian flight
continued to “ping” a satellite on an hourly basis after it lost contact with radar.....

Thanks for posting the article.


10 posted on 03/13/2014 5:18:54 PM PDT by deport
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To: mandaladon

aye, aye, aye...


11 posted on 03/13/2014 5:19:38 PM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: exit82

Best summary of the event that I have read, kudos!


12 posted on 03/13/2014 5:27:00 PM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: deport

You can turn off a transponder with it’s individual control switch, with it’s circuit breaker, with the avionics master switch or a failure of the system. There are two independent transponder systems on board. Total electrical failure is such a remote possibility that it is not even on the B777 emergency checklist.


13 posted on 03/13/2014 5:27:02 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: mandaladon

Big Ole Jet Airliner.


14 posted on 03/13/2014 5:30:01 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: DBrow
A cell jammer would stop passenger reports.

Such gadgets can be purchased rather cheaply and easily.
15 posted on 03/13/2014 5:30:50 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: exit82

My first theory was that they had flown the jet to the Philippines, but it seems they didn’t have enough fuel for that so obviously that was out.

The Indian Ocean didn’t seem likely, because they couldn’t land on Diego Garcia and the station there would probably have noticed something if they flew by...but maybe the station did notice something and it’s just possible to investigate it now.

One of the problems with this is not only all the little, lax-security countries (such as Malaysia) doing CYA, but the Chinese, who do not want anybody near their territory and seem to have not been cooperating at all, even though most of the passengers were Chinese.

However, the issue is the fuel. If they had only enough to go to Beijing, they couldn’t have gotten to the Philippines (in one direction) or much past Diego Garcia (in the other). But if they had more fuel, for one reason or another, then there are all sorts of destinations within range.

The Indian Ocean seems like a logical pass-through point, since they could access places like Somalia and other failed-state areas where they could easily land the plane. Well, not easily, because any runway they had built would probably not be exactly easy to land on. But the pirates from this area have kidnapped lots of people with construction skills, so perhaps they made their slave labor build a giant runway.


16 posted on 03/13/2014 5:36:30 PM PDT by livius
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To: Meet the New Boss
"....maybe Diego Garcia."

Okay, I'll bite....why Diego?

17 posted on 03/13/2014 5:42:43 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: mandaladon

The copilot (or pilot) flew the plane to the southwest coast of Sumatra and attempted a preplaned belly landing on a beach of Sumatra or one of the offshore islands. There is little communication or radar capability there.


18 posted on 03/13/2014 5:44:15 PM PDT by kayak42
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To: kayak42

How about satellite optical coverage?


19 posted on 03/13/2014 5:45:56 PM PDT by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: diogenes ghost

It’s within range, assuming the plane had the minimum amount of fuel. But it’s a tiny island — filled with and surrounded by radar and communications — and there’s no way a plane could land there undetected. If you want to believe the US hijacked the plane, go ahead, but please remember to put on your tinfoil hat...


20 posted on 03/13/2014 5:46:03 PM PDT by livius
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To: DBrow

If we can accept that the plane was commandeered, we must also consider that it was terrorism and the passengers were fodder from the moment the plane was taken over. That being said, I would speculate the plan probably called for neutralizing the passengers and at 35k ft all that would take is for a depressurization of the cabin to occur which would kill most people in minutes. This would leave the aircraft free of any threats and allow the perps to execute their plans unincumbered.


21 posted on 03/13/2014 5:46:12 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: mandaladon
New Evidence Suggests That Plane Disappearance Was A Deliberate Act
22 posted on 03/13/2014 5:47:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: mandaladon
Malaysia Airliner Communications Shut Down Separately: US Officials Say
23 posted on 03/13/2014 5:49:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: diogenes ghost

If you extrapolate the flight path after the change of direction (if the reports about that are correct) it continues on to Diego Garcia. Obviously, a US base would be an attractive target to muzzie terrorists.

However, I think India is more likely as a target, as a crash in the middle of Mumbai or a similar city would be more along the lines of the effect the terrorists would want.

I think it is very unlikely their plan was to fly it to a hidden airfield somewhere and use the plane later. Too much risk of detection before they could use the plane for a later mission.

Most likely the plane crashed into the Indian Ocean.


24 posted on 03/13/2014 5:50:34 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

I should add that Hyderabad or Bangalore might be attractive targets for terrorists and easier to reach than Mumbai.


25 posted on 03/13/2014 5:53:25 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Yaelle

It’s proof of nothing except the use of unnamed experts and sources to put a sensational meaning onto alleged statements by more unnamed officials by ABC.

And people wonder why there is so much confusion and conspiracy theories everywhere. Look no further that journalistic abuse by desperate media.

Carefully parse the story and there is no there there.


26 posted on 03/13/2014 5:54:09 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: mandaladon

In about 3 hours some other official is going to refute this story... I bet.


27 posted on 03/13/2014 5:54:28 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: livius

Re-check your coordinates. The plane left Kuala Lumpur for Beijing. The distance from Kuala Lumpur to the farthest of the Philippines islands is less than half the distance to Beijing.

The fuel on-board was reported to be enough for Beijing (5.5 hrs), plus another 2 hrs. At 500 mph, that’s a radius of some 3,750 miles - roughly the distance from Dallas to Honolulu. That’s a LOT of globe to cover if it truly was “diverted” by unknowns on-board.


28 posted on 03/13/2014 5:55:33 PM PDT by Be Free (I believe in gun control. The more people that control their own guns, the safer we'll all be.)
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To: exit82

If you did know the plane was taken by terrorists, you would be putting out disinformation to make them believe you were confused and looking in all the wrong places. Also if the passengers were hostages and you knew their general location, you would want time to gather more information in order to put together a rescue mission.


29 posted on 03/13/2014 5:55:57 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: mandaladon

Imagine the emotional wreck the families of these missing passengers must be.


30 posted on 03/13/2014 5:57:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: Valpal1

I’m not watching TV news so I’m not exposed to as much aviation info. Are you seeing a possible malfunction reason for these two signals to be turned off at separate times? Or that this info might not be accurate?


31 posted on 03/13/2014 5:58:03 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Kirkwood

You have made valid points.

I hope for the 230+ plus souls on this plane that this could even be a possible outcome.

There has been diversion aplenty in this saga, no doubt about that.


32 posted on 03/13/2014 5:58:49 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

I agree...our SIGINT folks are top notch. You cannot make a 777 disappear...it is impossible nowadays. Still...what are the odds that they will be able to recover the black boxes and figure this out. If it was me, I would make the Malaysians or the chinks pay for the recovery which will involve deep dives. What are the odds that they’ll volutarily do that after all the cluelessness?


33 posted on 03/13/2014 6:00:30 PM PDT by gr8eman (But thermodynamics is just a social construct, created by the ruling white power structure)
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To: livius
But the pirates from this area have kidnapped lots of people with construction skills, so perhaps they made their slave labor build a giant runway.

They could get away with a 3500 foot runway since the plane wold be low on fuel and not need a long runway to LAND.
Taking off, loaded with fuel is another matter and they would probably need a 5,500 foot runway. - tom

34 posted on 03/13/2014 6:01:24 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse U.S. citizens and Americans. They are not necessarily the same. -tom)
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To: mandaladon

Bump


35 posted on 03/13/2014 6:01:45 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: mandaladon

Here’s a great map that would show all the (known) airfields the plane could have been flown to if it was a deliberate act of commandeering, and flying to avoid detection.

http://sandbox.maps.arcgis.com/apps/OnePane/basicviewer/index.html?appid=95cbede59b3e471eb14b52c362966934


36 posted on 03/13/2014 6:02:40 PM PDT by Be Free (I believe in gun control. The more people that control their own guns, the safer we'll all be.)
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To: mandaladon

Sooner or later some poor government or small group of government was going to have to make the call to shoot down an airliner. Nobody wants to be the first. It’s bad news for every government and the world economy. Did you really think this wouldn’t happen sooner or later...really?

So...10 countries searching for a plane nobody wants to find. Why? It was high jacked and then shot down probably with the consensus of multiple governments.

Now.. The longer the misdirection going on the longer the evidence soaks and key components are covertly recovered. Make no mistake, this serves the greater good and this is how communist governments think...including our own.


37 posted on 03/13/2014 6:03:32 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: livius

The fuel determines the radius of where they could have gone.

I was thinking it the jet made it to land, it would go to Myanmar(Burma) as that would be remote enough for a terrorist group to hang out and maybe hide a jet in the jungle.

We are now seven days out, and the hope that the plane landed anywhere on terra firma is a very slim one.


38 posted on 03/13/2014 6:04:10 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Capt. Tom

How short of a runway for a fueled 777 to takeoff with no passengers or luggage?


39 posted on 03/13/2014 6:07:39 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: maggief

I don’t have WJ access reporting was cruising at altitude for 5 hours

Missing Flight Left Data Trail
Jetliner ‘Pinged’ Satellites With Location, Altitude for Hours After Disappearance

By JON OSTROWER, ANDY PASZTOR and JULIAN E. BARNES CONNECT
Updated March 13, 2014 8:43 p.m. ET
Communication satellites received intermittent data “pings” from a missing Malaysia Airlines jet, giving the plane’s location, speed and altitude for at least five hours after it disappeared from civilian radar screens, people briefed on the investigation said Thursday.

The final satellite ping was sent from over water, at what one of these people called a “normal” cruising altitude. The people declined to say where specifically the transmission originated, adding that it was unclear why the...


40 posted on 03/13/2014 6:08:02 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: crosslink

WSJ just issued a fresh story on this with new details ... looks like the aircraft actually left quite an electronic trail ...


41 posted on 03/13/2014 6:09:53 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: _Jim

Yes I would post but don’t have WJ access if someone does please post breaking news


42 posted on 03/13/2014 6:11:00 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Army Air Corps

... phones do not work well at cruising altitude ...


43 posted on 03/13/2014 6:11:50 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“My head is exploding with all these theories!!!”

Well, no hard facts, so this is how we play here, sometimes.

This could be the biggest alien abduction yet, for all we know.


44 posted on 03/13/2014 6:13:42 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Yaelle

I think the info is badly explained or knowing ABC, deliberately mis-interpreted to fuel speculation in order to grab web hits which generates advertising income.

Concentrate on how the article is written and presented; it’s clear that nobody official made the “juicy” statements, those interpretations are all added by experts and sources or consultants. That’s just BS reportage.


45 posted on 03/13/2014 6:16:02 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: crosslink

Here is a bit more of the story:

Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal
Updated March 13, 2014 8:43 p.m. ET

Communication satellites received intermittent data “pings” from a missing Malaysia Airlines jet, giving the plane’s location, speed and altitude for at least five hours after it disappeared from civilian radar screens, people briefed on the investigation said Thursday.

The final satellite ping was sent from over water, at what one of these people called a “normal” cruising altitude. The people declined to say where specifically the transmission originated, adding that it was unclear why the transmissions stopped. One possibility one person cited was that the system sending them had been disabled by someone on board.

The automatic pings, or attempts to link up with satellites operated by Inmarsat PLC, occurred a number of times after Malaysia Airlines Flight 370’s last verified position, these people said, indicating that at least through those hours, the Boeing Co. 777 carrying 239 people remained intact and hadn’t been destroyed in a crash, act of sabotage or explosion.

Malaysian Airlines said it hadn’t received any such data.

If the plane remained airborne for that entire period it could have flown more than 2,200 nautical miles from its last confirmed position over the Gulf of Thailand, these people said.

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Looks like periodic ‘registration’ attempts or handshakes by an Inmarsat data terminal were taking place ... why it stopped, the aircraft may have finally run out of fuel, descended, etc. (RIP) ... reg attempts might have been once very 10 min or 30 min or an hour ... at which times ‘data’ e.g. location? was sent.


46 posted on 03/13/2014 6:18:56 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: _Jim

Or they determined it was transmitting and simply logged it off, not hard to do.


47 posted on 03/13/2014 6:19:55 PM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: crosslink

Yeah (cough cough) after 5 hours ...


48 posted on 03/13/2014 6:21:48 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: crosslink

I looked at it, the rest of the article doesn’t really have anything new that is more specific than in the first two sentences.

The fact that the plane was at normal cruising altitude is interesting.

Also, that the data included the plane’s location. They must have known that days ago!


49 posted on 03/13/2014 6:22:18 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: crosslink

Do you know what the filed flight plan called for as far as total elapsed time?

5 hours of ‘pinging’ plus the time already in the air puts them outside that figure ...


50 posted on 03/13/2014 6:23:24 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.)
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