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Bill to Make the Fine $0 for Violating the Individual Mandate Passes by 90 Votes
The Weekly Standard ^ | March 6, 2014 | Jeffrey H. Anderson

Posted on 03/06/2014 7:16:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The House of Representatives passed legislation Wednesday afternoon to make the fine/“tax” for violating Obamacare’s individual mandate $0 for this year, and it did so by the wide margin of 90 votes (250 to 160). That’s 83 more than the 7-vote margin (219 to 212) by which Obamacare passed the House four Marches ago. Moreover, 27 Democrats voted for today’s legislation—27 more than the number of Republicans who voted for Obamacare when it passed. In all, 223 Republicans voted for today’s bill, while only one—Paul Broun of Georgia—voted against it. Here’s the member-by-member tally for the vote.

Earlier today, the Obama White House released a 3-paragraph statement on the legislation, noting that Obamacare “helps millions of Americans stay on their parents’ plans until age 26”—which, of course, has nothing to do with the individual mandate or the fine/“tax” for violating it—and saying that if President Obama were presented with the legislation, “he would veto it.”

Given the wide margin by which the legislation passed the House, along with the significant level of bipartisan support with which it passed, perhaps the Senate will actually take a vote, pass the bill, and give Obama that chance. That would provide a welcome reminder to the American people of the extent to which Obama’s centerpiece legislation relies upon coercion.

But it also relies on lawlessness—a fact that is becoming more apparent by the day. Within hours of threatening to veto this legislative change to Obamacare, Obama announced that he is again making an executive change to Obamacare, in plain defiance of the legislative text, the rule of law, and the constitutional separation of powers. No wonder left-leaning constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley says that we are at “a constitutional tipping point” and that Congress must act to stop this president’s “dangerous,” “destabilizing” “aggregation of power.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; congress; mandate; obamacare; rinos; zerocare
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Since the victims are all "lying" who here thinks that Harry Reid will let it come up for a vote in the senate?
1 posted on 03/06/2014 7:16:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where am I supposed to find a $0 bill?


2 posted on 03/06/2014 7:18:06 PM PST by posterchild
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To: posterchild

It’s the bill with Bill Clinton’s face on the front and Monica under Bill’s desk on the back.


3 posted on 03/06/2014 7:19:03 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We need the obama to hit the fan BEFORE President Cruz takes office, otherwise the Obamacare disaster will be blamed on him.

Don't delay anything. Let the obama hit the fan NOW.

4 posted on 03/06/2014 7:20:41 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If Barack Hussein Obama entertains a thought that he does not verbalize, is it still a lie?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the Senate will do what?? Pass it?? And Obama will do what...sign it??


5 posted on 03/06/2014 7:20:57 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Publius

“It’s the bill with Bill Clinton’s face on the front and Monica under Bill’s desk on the back.”

I thought Slick Willie was on the $3 and 0dungo was on the $0 bill.


6 posted on 03/06/2014 7:21:26 PM PST by Antihero101607
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Obamacare had not been another plan for bankrupted Americans and put their health at risk, as was clearly its intention, it would really have been hilarious black comedy. Even the brightest could not envision that every aspect of the thing was bogus and would need to be trashed with the hope of some day putting things back the way they were. Congress should be very, very, very ashamed for birthing this monstrosity.


7 posted on 03/06/2014 7:23:20 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Sacajaweau
With the Dictatorial Powers the White Hearse now wields, President Obama will CERTAINLY sign that bill.

The next day, he will Executive Order the amount to be changed to $2000.00 per individual, $4000.00 per family.

8 posted on 03/06/2014 7:25:02 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

Pelosi, her eyes glowing with stark-mad embers of Hell, still proclaims that Obamacare will be “glorious.... glorious....”


9 posted on 03/06/2014 7:26:12 PM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: posterchild
You can print your own...


10 posted on 03/06/2014 7:27:19 PM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
















If I get a piece of the action You can keep your doctor


11 posted on 03/06/2014 7:27:25 PM PST by devolve (- Tell Vladimir after my erection I have more FLEXIBILITY -- I need more SPACE - BHO Jr -)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No wonder left-leaning constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley says that we are at “a constitutional tipping point” and that Congress must act to stop this president’s “dangerous,” “destabilizing” “aggregation of power.”

I might be inclined to agree with this guy, but not when it comes to ObamaCare. It's hard to accuse a president of abusing his office when he issues executive orders to delay the implementation of a Federal law that never should have been passed in the first place.

I suspect the real reason why a "left-leaning constitutional scholar" would be concerned about this is that it's exposing this entire administration as an absolute joke -- and that more and more Americans are getting perfectly comfortable with the idea that they have no legal or moral obligation to obey the law anymore.

12 posted on 03/06/2014 7:28:39 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: posterchild
Where am I supposed to find a $0 bill?

After hyperinflation brought on by mammoth deficits, you can just use a $100. That's what the value will be.

13 posted on 03/06/2014 7:29:03 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: posterchild

14 posted on 03/06/2014 7:32:10 PM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Alberta's Child
I suspect the real reason why a "left-leaning constitutional scholar" would be concerned about this is that it's exposing this entire administration as an absolute joke -- and that more and more Americans are getting perfectly comfortable with the idea that they have no legal or moral obligation to obey the law anymore.

Why would that worry a leftie? That's what the left's all about. Course, I guess it might worry them to see the previously placid rest of the country decide those were the new rules, like they've always been for leftards.

15 posted on 03/06/2014 7:32:14 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Alberta's Child

And because the crystal ball says when a republican holds that office it is not going to go well for liberals.


16 posted on 03/06/2014 7:33:10 PM PST by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Still Thinking

That worries a leftie because the first government agency that loses its moral authority over the people is the IRS ... and Marxism doesn’t work without taxpayers.


17 posted on 03/06/2014 7:39:31 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: posterchild

Just look for bills with Obama’s picture on the front.


18 posted on 03/06/2014 7:58:12 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: posterchild

Want be long until the dollar is worth 0, just hang on to one....!


19 posted on 03/06/2014 8:03:35 PM PST by swampfox101 (l)
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To: kjam22
And because the crystal ball says when a republican holds that office it is not going to go well for liberals.

That's when they howl the loudest.

They will be in their prime.

20 posted on 03/06/2014 8:13:13 PM PST by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He is completely out of control domestically. The entire world can see this. They have to move to contain him. What he does domestically, he does internationally.


21 posted on 03/06/2014 8:23:22 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They should have made the fine/tax $1.00. Then it could be considered as a revenue bill.


22 posted on 03/06/2014 8:34:42 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: posterchild

Its the one with Obama’s face on the front and his wife’s whatever on the backside


23 posted on 03/06/2014 8:47:28 PM PST by faithhopecharity (")
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To: Publius

And those aren’t watermarks


24 posted on 03/06/2014 8:47:46 PM PST by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He may be forced to, with the help of Dem senators running in red and purple states, who are very, very scared.


25 posted on 03/06/2014 8:52:13 PM PST by expat2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

9$ — I like the sound of that!


26 posted on 03/06/2014 9:11:41 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: posterchild

27 posted on 03/06/2014 10:12:27 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Don't delay anything. Let the obama hit the fan NOW.

I had this tag line last September.

28 posted on 03/06/2014 10:13:47 PM PST by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare: Make them pay; do not delay.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let him veto it. The Dems own this mess.


29 posted on 03/06/2014 10:44:50 PM PST by matt04
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To: posterchild

It’ll be the one with Obama’s face on it, just like Slick Times used to print $3 bills with Bill’s face on them. Will Zero veto it?


30 posted on 03/06/2014 11:34:21 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: rjsimmon

On the back, in Arabic letters, Bismillah arrahim warrahman...Anaa ashhadulyawm...


31 posted on 03/06/2014 11:36:32 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So now they can alter a law which is unalterable?

There is no severability clause...D89k heads...


32 posted on 03/06/2014 11:36:34 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: posterchild

Man, I’ve got them all over the place. I’ll wire you $000,000,000,000 dollars. Check your bank account; if the amount looks the same, the transaction completed OK.

BTW, I am in Nigeria.


33 posted on 03/06/2014 11:58:10 PM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the 27 dems who voted for it are the important take from this. they are a potential weakness to exploit.


34 posted on 03/07/2014 12:26:03 AM PST by dadfly
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To: expat2

This is where the rubber meets the road for the liberals, either they tow the political and ideology line ? or they get voted out by a angery people.


35 posted on 03/07/2014 2:23:15 AM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: Sacajaweau

And the Senate will do what?? Pass it?? And Obama will do what...sign it??


Exactly....another wasted day of taxpayer money by the people that are elected to represent US.

Another day that we go with no answers to the IRS targeting conservative groups.

Another day Bengazi gets covered up deeper and deeper

Another day a usurper sits in office

Another day my hemp rope goes unused....


36 posted on 03/07/2014 3:14:55 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Sacajaweau

Well good. Let the people see obozo will not sign it. As he does that, he can watch his approval drop to the teens.


37 posted on 03/07/2014 3:16:37 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These clowns in Washington play the American people like a fiddle all day long.


38 posted on 03/07/2014 3:25:25 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Alberta's Child
It's hard to accuse a president of abusing his office when he issues executive orders to delay the implementation of a Federal law that never should have been passed in the first place.

The authority of executive orders does not trump the authority of federal law duly passed by Congress and signed by the President. As you are well aware, the President has no right to an opinion of the law with regards to its enactment nor does he have any other option but to enforce it as written. Also, as I'm sure that you know, it was codified in the body of the law that only Congress has the authority to change any aspect of the law, not the President. The degree to which he can arrogate to himself this phantom authority with no reaction from Congress is the degree that his actions threaten the principle of the rule of law in this country. Jonathan Turley is right. Remember, this country is still a Great Experiment in democracy and this a$$clown is trying to make it a failed one.

39 posted on 03/07/2014 5:11:27 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What about all the taxes hidden in Obamacare?


40 posted on 03/07/2014 5:18:50 AM PST by petitfour
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
2nd, am going to go somewhere else rather than discuss the topic posted by you. You have my apology for going somewhere else rather than the topic.

Have been watching the sexual cases coming forth in (around) our Military. Have noticed the media is complacent and gives only one side. The side of condemnation against and for more (victims?) to come forward <-- there's that word again. Also am noticing high ranking officers are being accused of crimes. Have no evidence one way or another on guilt or innocence yet the whole thing is starting to smell and my alarm bells are going off in my gut.

I normally don't post threads and know there are countless threads which could be started regarding sex and our Military? I want to Thank You 2nd for being patient with me. Something very wrong is taking place and I have no idea what the bottom line is. Sometimes I really want to be a nutjob conspiracist to explain something but I usually don't go there. Any thoughts 2nd? Anyone?

41 posted on 03/07/2014 5:22:34 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Until someone is fined, no one has standing to go to court to contest the constitutionality of the ObamaCare “tax”. Postponing that day until the SCOTUS balance is firmly communist is not very smart. It also reduces Democrat pain in the next election.


42 posted on 03/07/2014 5:30:27 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
So, Dem congressmen are all “Birthers”. I like it.
43 posted on 03/07/2014 5:32:47 AM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: no-to-illegals

Have been watching the sexual cases coming forth in (around) our Military. Have noticed the media is complacent and gives only one side. The side of condemnation against and for more (victims?) to come forward <— there’s that word again. Also am noticing high ranking officers are being accused of crimes. Have no evidence one way or another on guilt or innocence yet the whole thing is starting to smell and my alarm bells are going off in my gut.


Your gut is right; they are trying to eliminate those who would not fire on US citizenry...and who won’t obey the 0blummer regime. that is a fact that i cannot prove but believe my gut.


44 posted on 03/07/2014 5:57:52 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Bloom right where you are.)
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To: posterchild

It’s the one with Obama’s face on it.


45 posted on 03/07/2014 6:00:12 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Vendome

The lack of severability was going to be ignored if any part was ruled unconstitutional anyway.


46 posted on 03/07/2014 6:01:31 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is like... oh, wait, elections, they still have guns, so, let us keep the artillery quiet for now. Shake down.


47 posted on 03/07/2014 6:36:02 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

“Even the brightest could not envision that every aspect of the thing was bogus...”
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Well, I’m certainly NOT the brightest bulb in the chandelier but I believed before it was ever unveiled that every aspect of it would be bogus. What possible reason was there for anyone but a ding dong doofus from Duluth to think there would be anything legitimate about it?


48 posted on 03/07/2014 7:15:05 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: F15Eagle

“I’ll wire you $000,000,000,000 dollars.”
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You certainly are generous, I’ll bet that if asked you would add another three zeroes to that without even blinking an eye. That would make it almost equal to my annual income.


49 posted on 03/07/2014 7:19:33 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: RipSawyer

Mine, too. That’s why I’m so generous with 0’s!!!


50 posted on 03/07/2014 7:50:41 AM PST by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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