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1 posted on 03/02/2014 2:06:40 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

So which is it economic or moral -

Exporting jobs and causing a recession?


2 posted on 03/02/2014 2:12:07 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Kaslin
Scripture shows us a glaringly obvious trend—when God’s people dismissed His moral absolutes, the scourge of violence by the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Persians was their fate.

That had more to do with failure to keep the Sabbath for the Land than anything to do with morality.

3 posted on 03/02/2014 2:25:26 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: Kaslin

There never were clear definitions of “conservative” and “liberal”, or of any similar term. Precision in meanings never was. People are too varied.
If you want a thorough survey of what “conservative” has meant in the US, I recommend starting with Russell Kirk.

All such are fuzzy concepts, and they mutate. At best they define sets with their centers at some distance from other sets.
I don’t disagree with the desiderata in your ideal conception of conservatism, but let’s be real.


4 posted on 03/02/2014 2:26:13 PM PST by buwaya
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Social liberalism creates liberal voters and larger government, conservative economics require social conservatism among the voters and in the culture.


5 posted on 03/02/2014 2:31:07 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Kaslin

I’ve noticed that a lot of, not all, but a lot of folks who say they’re fiscal conservatives and social liberals end up sucking at the fiscal end as well.


6 posted on 03/02/2014 2:32:06 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Kaslin

It really boils down to this:

Do you really think that someone who believes (morally) that anything goes - that you can smoke your brains out, have an abortion for any reason and at any time, give lots of free welfare to anyone who asks for it, sex with anyone means nothing and equate the LGBT lifestyle to just another another “normal” way of life...

is really going to

have ANY kind a fiscal discipline or say no to any kind of spending?


7 posted on 03/02/2014 2:35:55 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Bum for later


8 posted on 03/02/2014 2:40:16 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Kaslin

No what they mean is financially conservative and at the same time willing to help the widow and the sick.

Anyone who believes abortion is ok is evil.


10 posted on 03/02/2014 2:49:33 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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and homosexual relationships are forbidden by God


11 posted on 03/02/2014 2:50:10 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Scripture shows us a glaringly obvious trend—when God’s people dismissed His moral absolutes, the scourge of violence by the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Persians was their fate.

Uhh, the Persians rescued the Jews from oppression. There is no record in the Bible of oppression by the Persians. There is the partial exception of the Book of Esther, but the Persians wound up in practical terms on the Jewish side.

12 posted on 03/02/2014 2:58:53 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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The whole idea of conservatism had been linked to traditional moral issues, and only in the past couple decades has it been delineated as fiscal or moral or both. I agree with this writer. You cannot divorce the moral values from fiscal conservatism and it continue to be considered conservative for very long before the immoral values of the person corrupt the whole. One of the reasons I had for quitting the libertarians was for this reason. They espoused fiscal issues and the Catholic writers were great writers on many conservative issues, but when it came to actually supporting traditional values, the libertarians vote with the Communists....all the way down the line. Their argument was that the “state” should not be having anything to say or do with moral issues, which I totally could agree with except for this one fine point: Once the state has already ruled on an issue, how does one get it back to just the local states to deal with, unless you bring the issue to vote and overturn the immoral law? They could NOT ANSWER that for me. Once the State (federal government) has its say, then they were unwilling to do ANYTHING to help undo that horrific law. ONe would have to conclude that they are okay with abortion, same-sex marriage, and any number of sins that have become prominent. I cannot go back to supporting libertarians again. The difference between them and Communists is one issue alone..that one being fiscal conservatism. They might as well say they are fiscally conservative Communists.


16 posted on 03/02/2014 3:22:29 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Kaslin
However, there’s a major problem in trying to fit those two sides together. In God’s economy

The majority of the people on this planet do not look to the same God you do to know that they are right or wrong.

You judge everything by what you believe that your version of God said, wants, and expects.

Others have a right to set their own standards according to what they believe or do not believe. You have a right to believe as you will but your rights stop completely just short of imposing them on others. That is why we have laws.

Living in a christian theocracy would be no better than living in an islamic theocracy. I refuse to be ruled by religious zealots no matter what flavor they are.

17 posted on 03/02/2014 3:37:34 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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"On the economics side, this is what I think they mean...

On the social, or moral, side, I think it normally boils down to two issues..."

You think? You think? Is basic reportorial research too much to ask for before commentary? Worthless.

18 posted on 03/02/2014 3:40:12 PM PST by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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Strawman setup to fill up his blog.


26 posted on 03/02/2014 7:49:06 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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