Posted on 01/31/2014 8:20:24 AM PST by Voice of Reason88
Interesting interview with RNC committeeman Dave Agema explaining how speaking openly in support of the GOP platform led to the attempt by the GOP to force him to resign.
http://www.afa.net/Radio/show.aspx?id=2147490466&tab=video&video=2147543067
He really nails it in saying that the GOP reflexively runs for cover at the first sign of protest from the left and is always ready to offer up a sacrifice to appease. His most recent outrage is for saying that Sharia law contributes nothing and has no place in America.
It was for many – the author’s point is that the GOP’s argument all along of we’ll lose if we don’t stick together falls flat on it’s face when the stupid party is going about doing that all by it’s lonesome.
If they’re are playing to lose anyway, why stick around?
Only one of those options has any chance of success IMO. That would be the last one.
The GOP is a lost cause. Its too steeped in the philosophy of defeatism and capitulation.
4._______________________.
There are several additional options that may be on the table.
I get your meaning.
I think she used that to make her point, but the Republicans are quickly writing themselves off as a part of the left.
We need a TRUE opposition party.
I’m not going anywhere. The GOP leadership is sadly mistaken if they can think they can sell out American citizens to the highest bidder and the opposition to it will just melt away. We need to be vocal and get right in their faces about it. That is the only way GOP who don’t pay much attention will know about stuff like the vet pay cut. The 2016 primaries are going to be very interesting!
However, I do think we need a block of (I) conservatives in the House. That’s about only thing that will put some real fear in the Cantor type corportists.
The GOP has a strange concept of “winning”. Any advantages they may gain or enjoy are quickly compromised away. At its core it is a party governed by anxiety, guilt and fear instead of courage, principles, and conviction.
Democrats understand the GOP mentality quite well, and take full advantage of them.
Part of the rage that people are feeling is that some are merely supporting amnesty in order to make a few bucks right now, with them not caring for the future of the country.
They don’t think they will be subjected to the same economic collapse like the rest of us.
It’s like someone shooting holes in the bottom of a lifeboat to get back at someone else thinking that they won’t also be soon fighting off the sharks.
Tried and failed. Time to give up on that strategy.
2. Work together to take control of the GOP and it’s resources and change the direction of the Party.
That's the Tea Party option. The GOPe is fighting it like a rabid, rogue elephant. They hate the people, especially those who want to separate the GOPe from the food trough of government power. It is coming close to the time to see that the patient doesn't want to be cured.
3. Leave and form a third party which will take years to develop sufficient size, scope, and resources to be able to have significant impact.
Unfortunately that will basically guarantee the Democrat's ascendance for a few years, much as the Democrats were in charge while the Whigs were thrashing out their death throes in the 1850s.
2 will be the easiest path, but even if the Tea Party takes over there will always be a poisonous Rovian core in the rebuilt GOP. 3 would be better but it is by far the harder path because the Democrats will get overwhelming control of the presidency and both houses of Congress for a while. I wish I had the wisdom to decide whether 2 or 3 will be the best. Maybe if a charismatic GOP leader publicly denounced the party and struck out on his own it would make number 3 far easier and shorter.
I’m conservative, a Washington-Jefferson conservative - an America first, no foreign entangling alliances conservative. Both parties run world entangling, trade deficit candidates. I vote Third. There is usually a good one there.
Me too. I reached this point in the 2012 cycle. Done. No more. This author seems to be willing to give it one more go.
Principles supporting freedom, family, prosperity and -real- security, not endless sand wars, would also go far to erode welfare state inroads on almost ALL demographics.
It is not even attempted anymore.
The post-Reagan GOP is a statist and elitist sham.
They judge part of that on the words from the media and their buds around town in Wash, D.C.
Term limits are starting to sound real good right now.
Spot on. They don't care and think they know better. They view statements like the one here as just more "Tea Party hate speech," and they've tuned it out long ago.
Don’t you think the GOP committing suicide and taking the rest of us along for the ride isn’t an important issue?
I registered as an independent about 40 years ago. I’ve made few enough really good decisions in my life but that’s one of them.
One can always vote as one pleases but the entire notion of professing loyalty ahead of seeing a candidate always struck me something i was not prepared to do.
I pulled the lever for 3rd party candidates like Perot in my time. I intend to do so at any point in the future when any 3rd party candidate speaks with a voice of reason.
No party owns my vote. Only a candidate can do that.
If they ever heard what I’d like to tell them their ears would fall off and turn to cinders.
>> a party governed by anxiety, guilt and fear instead of courage, principles, and conviction.
They prefer being second.
Well it’s an important issue but it’s not “news.” The GOP has been doing this since the 1930’s.
We did not want Obamacare, and you Neo-Democrat RINOs gave it to us anyway, and we are the worse for it.
We DO want y’all to enforce existing Federal Border Laws.
WE DO NOT WANT IMMIGRATION REFORM ! Y’all gave us that in 1986, and we are the worse for it!
Now y’all say that “we need to cave in this year to Obama on Immigration Reform.” Why this perversion to betray us!?
This is the same GEE OH PEE pablum that you Neo-Democrat RINOs have been always been feeding to the gullible, low information voters.
McCain, McConnell, Cornyn, Boehner, Cantor, and Ryan are always “waiting for massive support from the Public” before they even consider doing a pitched battle with the enemy.
The “enemy” is y’a’ll caving in to Obama! Just enforce existing Border Laws!
Y’all go on TV to publicly beat y’alls chests, and then “reach across the aisle to y’alls good friends in order to get something done.”
You Neo-Democrat RINOs will never lead, will always wait for a groundswell of Public discontent before risking incurring the wrath of their most dreaded enemy: The Leftstream Media.
Note to all the Congressional RINO leaders: We gave y’all in 2010 what y’all said y’all were waiting for - - - - The Massive TEA Party Rebellion, and y’all fought us every step of the way, and are fighting us now more than ever!
We gave y’all the support that y’all asked for and y’all betrayed us!
Betray us once, shame on you. Betray us twice, shame on us!
LEAD, OR GET OUT OF OUR WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, we have long memories, and just so y’all know, RINO SEASON IS NOW OPEN AND THERE ARE NO BAG LIMITS !
Don’t you think the topic is worthy of discussion rather than confrontation? Meaning to or not thats how your reply comes across.
I think, and we see this in Europe where winning local elections is attainable but the higher offices are still not breached by smaller parties. Unlike Europe we don’t have a history of forming ‘grand coalitions’ to form a government, (Please nobody bring up some obscure Whig related story. In Europe its the norm.), so we would be looking at uncharted waters. So the UKIP gets a voice but the equivalent here probably doesn’t. I say this because we all see what the current state of the Republican party is. Should a 3rd party take a few senate seats and 20-30 House seats its inevitable the two established parties will work to minimize any impact the new party will have. Look at the Repubs already doing this with those who identify with the Tea Party in Congress.
Truly winning a voice in the government as a 3rd party and not being told to go sit in the corner while the adults take care of business should take quite a long time unless currently elected members bolt to join it. That foundation is, in my opinion, necessary to cut the waiting time.
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