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An open letter to the GOP on third parties and Lost causes.
The People's Cube ^ | Jan 2014 | Anonymous

Posted on 01/31/2014 8:20:24 AM PST by Voice of Reason88

By way of introduction – let’s just say I’m one of Millions of formally loyal supporters of the GOP. We are the people who donate small amounts and volunteer to make phone calls and knock on doors and do a myriad of others things we don’t like to do just to support the Republican party. We are the ordinary folks you ignore or openly insult – the people you are taking for granted.

We’re also the folks who are standing by dumbfounded as you’re doing the Democratic socialist’s bidding of creating a whole new underclass of Dem voters granting amnesty to the illegal invaders.

Do you really think there is any point in sticking with you people since you seem to be obsessed with defeat? Do you actually think that we’ll stick by you no matter what? Did people stick with the Titanic as it was sinking below the waves?

You say we will lose if we don’t support the party – well, we’re going to be losing anyway so ‘what difference does it make?’ [To coin a phrase]

I intensely dislike traipsing around strange neighbourhoods and knocking on doors for hours on end – but I did that for the good of the party.

I cannot stand calling people on the phone to go through inane call scripts – but I did that because I thought it was important for the future of the country. I helped prepare mailers and did other grunt work because I knew the country is on the edge of a precipice.

I tried to support you people whenever I can and what did it get my brethren and me? [Aside from the derision from fellow Conservatives that think we’re fools for continuing to support you losers]

Let me fill you in on a couple totally freaking obvious facts that have escaped your well healed notice: ~ A). The Leftist-Socialist National Media is NEVER GOING TO BE YOUR FRIEND – learn this really obvious fact and put it in big block letters over your desks so you can remember it.

Say it yourselves 100 times until you learn it – they are the propaganda arm of the Socialist Democratic national party and they cannot be appeased, and they certainly won’t be your friends. They must be defeated along with the main body of the socialist national left in this country.

Those people need to be defeated, not befriended. They are playing for keeps – we need to do the same. In Alinsky’s rules for tools, he refers to us as the ‘enemy’ – well it’s time we did the same.

B). The Media and the DNC are going to label you Racists, terrorists or whatever unless you cease to be Conservatives and become a variation of their Socialist selves.

Stop trying to answer their mendacity and label it for what is and move on – for once you end up on the defensive, they will keep you there. Take a page from the leftists and push a Conservative agenda instead.

The Socialist National left is like a baseball batting machine that incessantly hurls fast balls at your head. Its an unceasing process that will never stop

The minute you shoot down one their outright Lies, two more will be on your way.

C). Never do what the enemy wants you to do – this is so blindingly so obvious the great strategist Sun Tzu didn’t bother saying this self-evident truth.

So, what do you need to do to get us to stick with you and get us back into your good graces?

Good question [{I’m glad I asked it}

1). STOP SUPPORTING AMNESTY FOR 30 MILLION NEW DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.

[Can I be any more emphatic on that point?]

Mark my words, you can either drop the insane idea of amnesty for the illegal invaders or you can destroy the party - It’s your choice.

Pushing amnesty will either create 30 Million new voters for Democratic largess or it will fractionalize the party so badly that it will no longer be the ‘Loyal opposition’ to the Socialist National left.

The GOP will be deader than a Bull Moose as a result – does that sound like a winning strategy?

Either way will mean one party Socialist Democratic national party rule for now until Armageddon.

2). Stop insanely nominating Rinocrats in the futile hope that the media will be ‘nice’ to you and not put the full weight of their propaganda machine to work shredding said candidate.

How many times do you need to repeat that insanity before you learn the lesson?

3). Stop trying to outbid the socialist with government largess

You can’t outbid people willing to destroy the nation just attain some temporary power.

It should be plain that you need to stand up for Conservative values – that is the only thing that will save the country from it’s inevitable demise at the hands of the socialists.

IF you do not do those simple things to save the party and save the nation, I will bid you a quick goodbye and be on my way – along with millions of others.

You can stuff your endless appeals for my donations, and your admonitions to volunteer will fall on deaf ears.

We may be on our way to defeat with a third party – but we will do it with our head held high and our Conservative principles intact.

There is no earthly reason to stay with a sinking ship – and you people are heading straight on for an iceberg – and sadly, you don’t seem to know it.

We can and we will leave – many already have and the exits are getting pretty jammed up.

I can envision many of my Conservative colleagues yelling back at the paper – Hey, where have you been sister? We abandoned the stupid party years ago.

Let me just say in my defense that in most abusive relationships, each has their personal breaking point – many have already reached and are beyond that point. I dare say that if the current events hold to the trends as they are now, many more will join them – as will I.

- Anonymous


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Long article but well worth the read.

She expresses the rage and frustration a lot of us are feeling.

This needs to be heard by the 'Geniuses' at the GOP

1 posted on 01/31/2014 8:20:24 AM PST by Voice of Reason88
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No Way Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

2 posted on 01/31/2014 8:24:06 AM PST by wku man (We are the 53%! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXN0GDuLN4)
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To: Voice of Reason88

>> This needs to be heard by the ‘Geniuses’ at the GOP

They’re very well aware, they don’t care.

that’s my 2¢


3 posted on 01/31/2014 8:24:26 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Voice of Reason88
in most abusive relationships, each has their personal breaking point

**********

When the GOP started marginalizing the Tea Party that was the last straw for me.

4 posted on 01/31/2014 8:25:40 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Voice of Reason88

The GOP platform is nothing but a thin coat of paint smeared on an increasingly left wing party.


5 posted on 01/31/2014 8:25:57 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Voice of Reason88

The reply:

“I feel your pain, sweetie, I do. However, big business is who pays us the bucks that matter (have you noticed how many congress people come in relatively poor and leave very rich?).

Also, there’s this database, you see, and . . . “


6 posted on 01/31/2014 8:26:28 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Voice of Reason88

Why is this categorized a “Front Page News”? Looks like an opinion to me.


7 posted on 01/31/2014 8:26:50 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Voice of Reason88

As I see it, conservatives, libertarians, and conservative-leaning independents have three choices:

1. Continue to hope the GOP will come to adopt and fight for traditional, conservative values and candidates.

2. Work together to take control of the GOP and it’s resources and change the direction of the Party.

3. Leave and form a third party which will take years to develop sufficient size, scope, and resources to be able to have significant impact.


8 posted on 01/31/2014 8:27:39 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Voice of Reason88
"Mark my words, you can either drop the insane idea of amnesty for the illegal invaders or you can destroy the party - It’s your choice."

The GOP leadership has been bought off or are already working for the Left. They do not care if the GOP is made a permanent minority party. Their nests have already been feathered and they like playing the Potemkin Village opposition. They are they enemy and they need to be kicked to the curb.

9 posted on 01/31/2014 8:27:53 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Voice of Reason88

We don’t need a third party.

We need a second party.


10 posted on 01/31/2014 8:28:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Ray76

Yeah, I think that we are nearing the time for a schism. We need opposition. We need backbone. Liberals and their fellow traveler RINO’s are destroying the country. I am a registered Republican, but I am less and less calling myself that. What is it about trillion dollar deficits that they do not understand?


11 posted on 01/31/2014 8:28:54 AM PST by fhayek
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To: bigbob
which will take years to develop sufficient size, scope, and resources to be able to have significant impact.

That's the conventional wisdom. Got any proof that it's true? Any examples from history?

/johnny

12 posted on 01/31/2014 8:29:00 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: RinaseaofDs
$$s don't get you elected. Votes do.

/johnny

13 posted on 01/31/2014 8:29:28 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ray76

They are going to care when people tell them to go play in the traffic.


14 posted on 01/31/2014 8:29:37 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: FReepers

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15 posted on 01/31/2014 8:29:47 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Ray76

There is more money and power (even if second-tier) in traitorism for them than there is in working hard, fighting for our ideals and serving the people. They are a lost cause.


16 posted on 01/31/2014 8:30:16 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: cripplecreek

Saw this somewhere else, and it the best analogy I’ve seen so far – it’s like they are the ‘Washington Generals’.

They are turning into an ‘opposition’ party in name only.


17 posted on 01/31/2014 8:31:32 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: Voice of Reason88
I think Rush finally nailed it yesterday: the GOPe would rather lose huge, even risk destroying any hopes they have of getting power for the next 10 years, if they can in the process eliminate the Tea Party/conservative wing once and for all.

Exactly the opposite will happen, as it did to the Whigs: the more moderate of the two will die, and the side that is closer to the principles that the people want will survive.

18 posted on 01/31/2014 8:32:36 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: kingattax

Long, but good read!


19 posted on 01/31/2014 8:33:09 AM PST by left that other site
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To: JRandomFreeper

“$$s don’t get you elected. Votes do.”

Here in the People’s Soviet of Washington, all ballots are mail-in. You think that was done to save money, or improve the transparency of the vote security process?

If you don’t think that a Republican has to win by at least 4% in order to lose by a few votes (happened here in WA twice), then you’ve lead a relatively sheltered political existence.


20 posted on 01/31/2014 8:33:16 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Starboard

Interesting interview with RNC committeeman Dave Agema explaining how speaking openly in support of the GOP platform led to the attempt by the GOP to force him to resign.

http://www.afa.net/Radio/show.aspx?id=2147490466&tab=video&video=2147543067

He really nails it in saying that the GOP reflexively runs for cover at the first sign of protest from the left and is always ready to offer up a sacrifice to appease. His most recent outrage is for saying that Sharia law contributes nothing and has no place in America.


21 posted on 01/31/2014 8:33:37 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Starboard

It was for many – the author’s point is that the GOP’s argument all along of we’ll lose if we don’t stick together falls flat on it’s face when the stupid party is going about doing that all by it’s lonesome.

If they’re are playing to lose anyway, why stick around?


22 posted on 01/31/2014 8:34:09 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: bigbob

Only one of those options has any chance of success IMO. That would be the last one.

The GOP is a lost cause. Its too steeped in the philosophy of defeatism and capitulation.


23 posted on 01/31/2014 8:35:03 AM PST by Starboard
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To: bigbob

4._______________________.

There are several additional options that may be on the table.


24 posted on 01/31/2014 8:36:50 AM PST by Truth29
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To: dfwgator

I get your meaning.

I think she used that to make her point, but the Republicans are quickly writing themselves off as a part of the left.

We need a TRUE opposition party.


25 posted on 01/31/2014 8:37:23 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: Voice of Reason88

I’m not going anywhere. The GOP leadership is sadly mistaken if they can think they can sell out American citizens to the highest bidder and the opposition to it will just melt away. We need to be vocal and get right in their faces about it. That is the only way GOP who don’t pay much attention will know about stuff like the vet pay cut. The 2016 primaries are going to be very interesting!

However, I do think we need a block of (I) conservatives in the House. That’s about only thing that will put some real fear in the Cantor type corportists.


26 posted on 01/31/2014 8:40:29 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Voice of Reason88

The GOP has a strange concept of “winning”. Any advantages they may gain or enjoy are quickly compromised away. At its core it is a party governed by anxiety, guilt and fear instead of courage, principles, and conviction.

Democrats understand the GOP mentality quite well, and take full advantage of them.


27 posted on 01/31/2014 8:41:56 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Truth29

Part of the rage that people are feeling is that some are merely supporting amnesty in order to make a few bucks right now, with them not caring for the future of the country.

They don’t think they will be subjected to the same economic collapse like the rest of us.

It’s like someone shooting holes in the bottom of a lifeboat to get back at someone else thinking that they won’t also be soon fighting off the sharks.


28 posted on 01/31/2014 8:42:47 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: bigbob
1. Continue to hope the GOP will come to adopt and fight for traditional, conservative values and candidates.

Tried and failed. Time to give up on that strategy.

2. Work together to take control of the GOP and it’s resources and change the direction of the Party.

That's the Tea Party option. The GOPe is fighting it like a rabid, rogue elephant. They hate the people, especially those who want to separate the GOPe from the food trough of government power. It is coming close to the time to see that the patient doesn't want to be cured.

3. Leave and form a third party which will take years to develop sufficient size, scope, and resources to be able to have significant impact.

Unfortunately that will basically guarantee the Democrat's ascendance for a few years, much as the Democrats were in charge while the Whigs were thrashing out their death throes in the 1850s.

2 will be the easiest path, but even if the Tea Party takes over there will always be a poisonous Rovian core in the rebuilt GOP. 3 would be better but it is by far the harder path because the Democrats will get overwhelming control of the presidency and both houses of Congress for a while. I wish I had the wisdom to decide whether 2 or 3 will be the best. Maybe if a charismatic GOP leader publicly denounced the party and struck out on his own it would make number 3 far easier and shorter.

29 posted on 01/31/2014 8:45:38 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: Voice of Reason88

I’m conservative, a Washington-Jefferson conservative - an America first, no foreign entangling alliances conservative. Both parties run world entangling, trade deficit candidates. I vote Third. There is usually a good one there.


30 posted on 01/31/2014 8:46:10 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Starboard

Me too. I reached this point in the 2012 cycle. Done. No more. This author seems to be willing to give it one more go.

Principles supporting freedom, family, prosperity and -real- security, not endless sand wars, would also go far to erode welfare state inroads on almost ALL demographics.

It is not even attempted anymore.

The post-Reagan GOP is a statist and elitist sham.


31 posted on 01/31/2014 8:47:26 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Starboard

They judge part of that on the words from the media and their buds around town in Wash, D.C.

Term limits are starting to sound real good right now.


32 posted on 01/31/2014 8:47:29 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: Ray76
They’re very well aware, they don’t care.

Spot on. They don't care and think they know better. They view statements like the one here as just more "Tea Party hate speech," and they've tuned it out long ago.

33 posted on 01/31/2014 8:48:13 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: PapaNew

Don’t you think the GOP committing suicide and taking the rest of us along for the ride isn’t an important issue?


34 posted on 01/31/2014 8:49:22 AM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: Voice of Reason88

I registered as an independent about 40 years ago. I’ve made few enough really good decisions in my life but that’s one of them.
One can always vote as one pleases but the entire notion of professing loyalty ahead of seeing a candidate always struck me something i was not prepared to do.
I pulled the lever for 3rd party candidates like Perot in my time. I intend to do so at any point in the future when any 3rd party candidate speaks with a voice of reason.
No party owns my vote. Only a candidate can do that.


35 posted on 01/31/2014 8:52:01 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: mojito

If they ever heard what I’d like to tell them their ears would fall off and turn to cinders.


36 posted on 01/31/2014 8:53:55 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Starboard

>> a party governed by anxiety, guilt and fear instead of courage, principles, and conviction.

They prefer being second.


37 posted on 01/31/2014 8:56:06 AM PST by Ray76 (How modern liberals think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c)
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To: Voice of Reason88

Well it’s an important issue but it’s not “news.” The GOP has been doing this since the 1930’s.


38 posted on 01/31/2014 9:14:21 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Voice of Reason88

We did not want Obamacare, and you Neo-Democrat RINOs gave it to us anyway, and we are the worse for it.

We DO want y’all to enforce existing Federal Border Laws.

WE DO NOT WANT IMMIGRATION REFORM ! Y’all gave us that in 1986, and we are the worse for it!

Now y’all say that “we need to cave in this year to Obama on Immigration Reform.” Why this perversion to betray us!?

This is the same GEE OH PEE pablum that you Neo-Democrat RINOs have been always been feeding to the gullible, low information voters.

McCain, McConnell, Cornyn, Boehner, Cantor, and Ryan are always “waiting for massive support from the Public” before they even consider doing a pitched battle with the enemy.

The “enemy” is y’a’ll caving in to Obama! Just enforce existing Border Laws!

Y’all go on TV to publicly beat y’alls chests, and then “reach across the aisle to y’alls good friends in order to get something done.”

You Neo-Democrat RINOs will never lead, will always wait for a groundswell of Public discontent before risking incurring the wrath of their most dreaded enemy: The Leftstream Media.

Note to all the Congressional RINO leaders: We gave y’all in 2010 what y’all said y’all were waiting for - - - - The Massive TEA Party Rebellion, and y’all fought us every step of the way, and are fighting us now more than ever!

We gave y’all the support that y’all asked for and y’all betrayed us!

Betray us once, shame on you. Betray us twice, shame on us!

LEAD, OR GET OUT OF OUR WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, we have long memories, and just so y’all know, RINO SEASON IS NOW OPEN AND THERE ARE NO BAG LIMITS !


39 posted on 01/31/2014 9:20:06 AM PST by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Don’t you think the topic is worthy of discussion rather than confrontation? Meaning to or not thats how your reply comes across.
I think, and we see this in Europe where winning local elections is attainable but the higher offices are still not breached by smaller parties. Unlike Europe we don’t have a history of forming ‘grand coalitions’ to form a government, (Please nobody bring up some obscure Whig related story. In Europe its the norm.), so we would be looking at uncharted waters. So the UKIP gets a voice but the equivalent here probably doesn’t. I say this because we all see what the current state of the Republican party is. Should a 3rd party take a few senate seats and 20-30 House seats its inevitable the two established parties will work to minimize any impact the new party will have. Look at the Repubs already doing this with those who identify with the Tea Party in Congress.
Truly winning a voice in the government as a 3rd party and not being told to go sit in the corner while the adults take care of business should take quite a long time unless currently elected members bolt to join it. That foundation is, in my opinion, necessary to cut the waiting time.


40 posted on 01/31/2014 9:22:48 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen
I asked questions to challenge assumptions. If you see that as confrontation, that's on you.

/johnny

41 posted on 01/31/2014 9:25:58 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Starboard

Me too. Bonehead and Chinless are in agreement on driving the TEA Party out.


42 posted on 01/31/2014 9:30:55 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: bigbob

Addressing your Item 3: The Republican Party itself was founded in 1854, and elected its first President only 6 years later. Technically, you can say it took “years,” but if the TEA Party people had walked out when McQueeg was nominated to lose against Obastard, they’d have a Presidential candidate race worth talking about today. If they walked when Romney won in ‘12 by destroying, in collusion with the Press, every conservative to run against him, we’d have people running for the House and Senate today.


43 posted on 01/31/2014 9:36:33 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Voice of Reason88

George Washington, in his farewell address, warned of exactly our current situation.

It’s Uniparty now.

Conservatism in the GOP is dead, except for a few poor schmucks attempting the impossible.

Only a real, energetic, boots-in-the-mud groundswell will change our situation. And time’s running out.


44 posted on 01/31/2014 9:37:48 AM PST by polymuser
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To: Voice of Reason88

They don’t care.

They want the cheap (slave in some cases) labor. They don’t care about conservatives, because in their world view they don’t matter.


45 posted on 01/31/2014 9:38:55 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: LS
...the GOPe would rather lose huge, even risk destroying any hopes they have of getting power for the next 10 years, if they can in the process eliminate the Tea Party/conservative wing once and for all.

I heard Rush say that, yesterday, too...and I agree with him 100%. I also agree with you, that they will not succeed.

They're putting $$ and power over country. CORPORATIST TRAITORS!

46 posted on 01/31/2014 9:41:55 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Voice of Reason88
Oh YES, Mr. Obama, since the country isn't going down the crapper fast enough, let us help you add 11 to 20 MILLION new DemonRAT voters to the rolls. Thank you, sir, may we have another?

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IF WE DON'T CLEAN HOUSE -- AND THE SENATE -- IN 2014, WE DESERVE WHATEVERTHEHELL "THEY" DO TO US!

47 posted on 01/31/2014 9:48:37 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Ray76

“They’re very well aware, they don’t care.”

You’ve hit the nail on the head. The problem isn’t really the GOPe. It’s us. We’ve stood by while Republicans colluded with Democrats against us. Say what you will about the likes of McCain, for example, but he keeps getting reelected. Why in the world would he show any loyalty to us? That would be crazy. Why? Because he runs to the right six months out of every six years, then spends the other 5 1/2 years thumbing his nose at us, and he keeps getting reelected!


48 posted on 01/31/2014 10:04:55 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional rights cherished by Democrats.)
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To: Voice of Reason88
GOP + = =
49 posted on 01/31/2014 10:05:53 AM PST by Manic_Episode (F the Whigs)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“$$s don’t get you elected. Votes do.”

Money typically buys access to voters, but I think you make a valid point. The Internet is making it much easier and probably significantly less expensive to reach potential voters. Expensive network and newspaper ad buys seem to be less effective. I think we’re entering an era where the big political war chests deliver much less bang for a buck.


50 posted on 01/31/2014 10:11:49 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional rights cherished by Democrats.)
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