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Pentagon to allow religious beards, tattoos, piercings in some cases
The Hill ^ | 22 Jan 14 | Kristina Wong

Posted on 01/22/2014 2:22:32 PM PST by SkyPilot

The Pentagon will become more accommodating to individuals’ respective religions, according to updated instruction released today.

A new Pentagon policy states that military departments will accommodate religious requests from individual service members unless a request would interfere with military readiness, a mission, unit cohesion, or good order and discipline.

This would include religious clothing, facial hair, religious tattoos and piercings. The changes come after a Sikh American Army major complained to congressional staffers that fellow Sikhs should be able to wear a turban or maintain a beard while in uniform.

Each request will be decided on a case-by-case basis, and some decisions can be made by immediate commanders, while others will have to be referred back to their respective military service.

The new policy is intended to reduce the instances and perception of discrimination toward those whose religious expressions are less familiar to the command, said Pentagon spokesman Navy Lt. Cmdr. Nathan J. Christiansen.

"The Department of Defense places a high value on the rights of members of the military services to observe the tenets of their respective religions and the rights of others to their own religious beliefs," "including the right to hold no beliefs,"

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hagel; infiltrated; islam; kenyanbornmuzzie; pentagon; piercings; sharia; tattoo
"You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord."

Leviticus 19:28

- Spend Millions of dollars dolling out "same sex" benefits to homosexual playthings

- Conspire with certain members of Congress to rob pensions from currently serving military and retirees who have served honorably (all to "save" $0.6 Billion per year in a $572 Billion budget)

- Attack military health care and vow to gut benefits for military, their families, and retirees

- Tell the public that "all disabled veterans" are exempt from pension cuts, when really only medically retired Chapter 61 retirees were exempted

- With all of the horrific problems facing our military, make it a priority to move heaven and earth so as to permit tattoos and piercings

Pray for our military, that is may survive these evil days.

1 posted on 01/22/2014 2:22:32 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Letting Muslims have beards in the Military will help Al Queda identify their 5th Columnists.


2 posted on 01/22/2014 2:27:57 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SkyPilot

Wow! Exactly what religious group would they be trying to accommodate - Baptists, Presbyterians, Catholics, etc. /s

Unbelievable.


3 posted on 01/22/2014 2:28:07 PM PST by Joann37
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To: SkyPilot
Pray for our military, that is may survive end these evil days.
4 posted on 01/22/2014 2:28:20 PM PST by null and void (We need to shake this snowglobe up.)
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To: SkyPilot

But you better not wear a cross.


5 posted on 01/22/2014 2:31:33 PM PST by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SkyPilot

From the BBC

6 posted on 01/22/2014 2:32:42 PM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: SkyPilot

well NO CLASS nor CHARACTER in the Pentagon, I guess..

Is anyone surprised???

Once obama is gone it will take twenty years to clean up his mess...


7 posted on 01/22/2014 2:41:08 PM PST by haircutter
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To: HokieMom

8 posted on 01/22/2014 2:44:22 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

This country is going down the toilet fast


9 posted on 01/22/2014 2:46:37 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: SkyPilot
Allowed? I'm surprised they're not required!
10 posted on 01/22/2014 2:46:37 PM PST by milemark (non blogger)
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To: massgopguy

The Nidal Hassan Division


11 posted on 01/22/2014 2:47:04 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: haircutter

What makes you think Commanders in Chief; Hillary, Jeb, or Chelsea will do anything to clean it up?


12 posted on 01/22/2014 2:47:18 PM PST by nitzy (You can avoid reality but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.)
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To: SkyPilot

Headline: Pentagon to allow religious beards...

Hey, Moochele, you can come out now!


13 posted on 01/22/2014 2:49:26 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SkyPilot

What’s a religious piercing?


14 posted on 01/22/2014 2:52:39 PM PST by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: SkyPilot

At least they are leaving the decision up to the individual commands and not dictating a one-size fits all order.


15 posted on 01/22/2014 2:53:02 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: massgopguy

It will make identifying the traitors within the ranks easier, too.


16 posted on 01/22/2014 2:54:15 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SkyPilot

Queers use some sort of bizarre tattoo or piercing as recognition methods. All this will do is allow some bent members of the armed forces to look really strange and disturbing and to enable that quaint queer custom of wolf packing to flourish. Straight, traditional, white males need to consider carefully if the armed forces is the place that want to be.


17 posted on 01/22/2014 2:59:21 PM PST by robowombat
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To: SkyPilot

Are burkas allowed too?


18 posted on 01/22/2014 2:59:36 PM PST by mvonfr
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To: Joann37

“Exactly what religious group would they be trying to accommodate...”

If you had read the first 5 sentences, you’d have found out they were Sikhs, a proud non-muslum people with centuries of honorable service in both the British and Indian armies. They make good Americans too, by the way. I’m all for accomodating Sikhs in the U.S. Military.


19 posted on 01/22/2014 3:01:31 PM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558

Yeah, the Sikhs played a big role for the left in pushing this nonsense.


20 posted on 01/22/2014 3:04:00 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Owl558

I’ve got no problem with Sikhs....but this ruling doesn’t make any sense to me.

The stumbling block? The gas mask.

Our military men used to have beards - just about every civil war general sported one. But that all changed with World War I. Mustard gas was being used, and soldiers had to put masks on their faces - and the masks had to seal well to the face. Nothing has changed, and the same is true today.

WWI also was so industrialized, and each side was able to bring so many men to the battles, that lice and other critters became a major problem - so short hair also became a requirement.

So how is a Sikh going to put on his gas mask? If I recall, at least once a year we had to go through the gas tent, demonstrate we could put the thing on in time, etc. Will the Sikh’s be exempt from this training?


21 posted on 01/22/2014 3:21:35 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SkyPilot

“The Department of Defense places a high value on the rights of members of the military services to observe the tenets of their respective religions....”

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With the exception of Christians.


22 posted on 01/22/2014 3:34:17 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: SkyPilot; GeronL; Revolting cat!
Religious tattoos?


23 posted on 01/22/2014 3:41:56 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: svcw
What’s a religious piercing?

Pagans, wicca, satanists, atheists, and tribal secular humanists.

24 posted on 01/22/2014 3:43:09 PM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: lacrew

“So how is a Sikh going to put on his gas mask?”

That’s an excellent question that I honestly couldn’t answer. There are Sikhs in the British army. I wonder how they’ve handled the gas mask issue - presuming they have similar mask standards as we do. Don’t our submariner and special forces guys also grow beards? I wonder how the gas mask thing works for them? It would be interesting to know. In any event, Sikhs have been fighting Islamic terrorists for many centuries and would be an asset to the US military if these issues could be worked out.


25 posted on 01/22/2014 3:52:18 PM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558

Yes, special forces do grow beards. But frankly they aren’t a candidate for being gased. Gas would be used on large, concentrated groups of troops...so a lone warrior wandering around Afghanistan wouldn’t be a likely target. I doubt those guys even carry gas masks with them.

I don’t know how the British Sikhs handle the gas mask.


26 posted on 01/22/2014 4:09:31 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SkyPilot

The retards at the Pentagon tried this crap back in the 70s during one of their PC hug moments. It didn’t work out then either.


27 posted on 01/22/2014 4:10:56 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: massgopguy

Its beyond insane but thats what its about. Letting the Muzzies do their thing. Wearing crosses will still somehow be inappropriate.


28 posted on 01/22/2014 4:22:02 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SkyPilot

Religious beards!!!!! Now I wonder what religion that’s for!!!


29 posted on 01/22/2014 4:35:18 PM PST by ontap
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To: Owl558

“So how is a Sikh going to put on his gas mask?”

Better question to start with: are surgeons ever issued pro masks? The few times Sikhs have surfaced in the military in my memory, they’re always medical officers who have much needed skills in specializations such as specialized surgery. They can make more money elsewhere and they are often among the best in their profession. Why would a sensible person care about a beard and a hat if it means better care for our servicemembers?


30 posted on 01/22/2014 5:39:02 PM PST by jz638
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To: SkyPilot
You can bet there will be no crosses allowed
31 posted on 01/22/2014 5:40:15 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: SkyPilot

A beard prevents a proper seal for a gas mask. Just sayin’.


32 posted on 01/22/2014 6:29:18 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: jz638

Being in the military isn’t about the individual, or his religious beliefs or his preference for facial hair. In order to optimize unit cohesion the individual has to be subordinated as a whole, with the same haircuts, uniforms and privileges. All this will do is further separate people into individual cliques and cause resentment and charges of either favoritism or prejudice.


33 posted on 01/22/2014 6:36:25 PM PST by binreadin
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To: Owl558
If you had read the first 5 sentences, you’d have found out they were Sikhs, a proud non-muslum people with centuries of honorable service in both the British and Indian armies. They make good Americans too, by the way. I’m all for accomodating Sikhs in the U.S. Military.
 

I don't have a problem with Sikhs, as they are generally up for killing muslims wherever they may be, but no, it's not a good idea to accommodate their dress. Military uniforms are, uh, uniform for a reason. It's a matter of discipline if nothing else. This will not help unit cohesion.

34 posted on 01/22/2014 7:16:40 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: binreadin

“Being in the military isn’t about the individual, or his religious beliefs or his preference for facial hair.”

In a regular unit, I mostly agree. Uniformity allows the most throughput and effective employment of force to fight and win our nation’s wars. In things like vascular surgery, uniformity is far less important than saving lives and limbs.


35 posted on 01/22/2014 7:44:24 PM PST by jz638
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To: blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ...

Active Duty ping.


36 posted on 01/22/2014 7:46:14 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar; Gamecock

Some of this was already true when I retired in 2002. I believe beards, separate rations, and some head coverings was the extent of it with the Army. I couldn’t tell you much about the other branches.

Gamecock might know.


37 posted on 01/22/2014 8:37:52 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

You are right. I remember seeing a few Sikhs in uniform as far back as the 80s. this was somewhere in Washington DC, either when I was at the Pentagon or the DIA.


38 posted on 01/23/2014 5:40:07 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: zeugma

“This will not help unit cohesion.”

Point well taken, but again, the British army has allowed Sikhs in their ranks for over 100 years without any apparent cohesion problems. Assuming the exception is limited to Sikhs, why is it an issue for Americans, but not the British?

The bigger issue, of course, is that once you accomodate Sikhs, you’re suddenly accomodating everyone. No thanks.


39 posted on 01/23/2014 12:24:24 PM PST by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: Owl558
The bigger issue, of course, is that once you accomodate Sikhs, you’re suddenly accomodating everyone. No thanks.

I really think that's essentially the bottom line. Like I said before, I don't have issues with Sikhs because of their historical enthusiasm for killing muslims, but I think you're opening the door for some really dangerous stuff with this rule. Others mentioned issues with gas masks. I would figure that would be a show stopper in most ground units. Like others, I'd be interested in knowing how the Brits handled issues like that.

40 posted on 01/23/2014 12:55:26 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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