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1 posted on 01/16/2014 3:55:21 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Thanks for posting this.


2 posted on 01/16/2014 3:58:35 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Red Steel

These justices are charlatans. They know how they’re voting. They ask questions to appear impartial. Except for Thomas, who I hold in the highest esteem. :-)


3 posted on 01/16/2014 3:58:59 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Red Steel

How did they get around this for the millions of law enforcement and military?


4 posted on 01/16/2014 4:00:13 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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SCOTUS ping.


5 posted on 01/16/2014 4:02:42 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Red Steel

My hope for the just (and Constitutional) outcome is slim.


7 posted on 01/16/2014 4:10:09 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked: "How about pinching or biting, hair pulling, shoving, grabbing, hitting, slapping... Would they in all situations be violence?"

I'm gonna go with a "no" on some of those, but if the Wide Latina request a demo, she's on her own.

8 posted on 01/16/2014 4:11:29 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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On the off chance the Supreme RubberStamp knocks down this bogus infringement, 2A may still have a chance.

     but don't hold yer breath

9 posted on 01/16/2014 4:12:31 PM PST by tomkat
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To: Red Steel

I thought United States v. Hayes desided the misdemeanor was sufficient.

Can someone tell me what’s different here?


17 posted on 01/16/2014 4:51:28 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Red Steel

Great. Another opportunity for the political hacks in black muumuus to decide what the Constitution says this week.


18 posted on 01/16/2014 4:53:25 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Having some small say in who gets to hold the whip doesn't make you any less a slave.)
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To: Red Steel

...The People’s right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”


20 posted on 01/16/2014 5:00:45 PM PST by faithhopecharity (C)
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To: Red Steel

This is another law where you are guilty until proven innocent. Just like orders of protection.

Wifey gets pissed at you during a divorce and you are finished. Look at your neighbor cross eyed and he files an OOP on you and the cops are at your door to take your guns and your neighbor doesn’t even have to show up in court. DUI, guns taken away.

Then try and get your guns back from the police.


22 posted on 01/16/2014 5:21:27 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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The only reason that the Founding States didn't include the power to regulate arms in the 1st Amendment's list of powers prohited to Congress, imo, is that the Founding States had already delegated to Congress the power to raise and support an army, which reasonably includes the power to legislatively address military firearms issues. The Militia Acts of 1792 are evidence of this.

But federal military gun issues aside, regulating guns for ordinary citizens is a 10th Amendment protected power, imo, such power now limited by 2nd Amendment applied to states via 14th Amendment.

In fact, since Congress has 14A power only to make laws which strengthen constitutionally enumerated rights, including 2A protected gun rights, Congress is arguably limited to making gun laws for ordinary citizens which strengthen their gun rights.

On the other hand, since federal gun laws are not an issue in this case, it's actually up to voters to spur their state lawmakers to make gun laws which reasonably limit gun rights with respect to the example of this case. Letting the Supreme Court decide this case just gives activist justices an opportunity to unconstitutonally expand federal government powers imo.

In fact, I find it disturbing that federal gun laws for ordinary citizens seem to have appeared in the books during the FDR era when socialist FDR and corrupt Congress blatantly ignored the federal government's constitutionally limited powers.

23 posted on 01/16/2014 5:43:14 PM PST by Amendment10
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Active Duty ping.


25 posted on 01/16/2014 8:10:59 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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While you can't always tell what the 'justices' are really thinking by just the questions they ask during oral arguments, it looks like the court is going to rule against the defendant in this case. You'll find the transcript of the arguments here. I think that it is interesting that the 2nd amendment didn't come up at all. Doesn't seem to be a part of this case at all. Weird.
26 posted on 01/16/2014 8:41:09 PM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: Red Steel

Domestic violence, that thing the state can bring charges against anyone on behalf of anyone even if no one has made a complaint.

What convenience for the nanny state agenda to hold others to standards the state itself would never follow...


29 posted on 01/16/2014 9:46:29 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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They took an expectedly polluted case, when they should have heard the Emerson case instead (which they refused). People with restraining orders against them (no conviction required—only an allegation) are also subject to the mandatory 5-year federal prison sentence if found in possession of firearms.

Granted, there shouldn’t be any such law that violates the Second Amendment for only one kind of misdemeanor. And yes, the polluted case. They found a real bad guy to base their wrongful decisions on, when there are many with no priors who committed lesser misdeeds.


32 posted on 01/17/2014 9:13:14 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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"If I punch somebody in the nose, is that violence?" asked Justice Antonin Scalia.

Ooops, bad example. LOL You would think "shall not be infringed" is SCOTUS' strict limitation, but the door was opened to overturning the 2nd Amendment long ago.

34 posted on 01/17/2014 9:23:06 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked: "How about pinching or biting, hair pulling, shoving, grabbing, hitting, slapping... Would they in all situations be violence?"

Um... I think context plays a lot into making that determination as a quick perusal of some of the more licentious corners of the Internet would appear to show...

35 posted on 01/17/2014 9:27:48 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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“Domestic violence” is the liberal feminazi-inspired definition for what happens when a man hears a woman insult his income, manhood, parents, occupation, or all of the above one too many times and gives her a “shut up” slap that wouldn’t even kill a wasp. Or when he HITS HER BACK.

It’s also what a few men - who would have otherwise never harmed a fly - have committed in a minute of desperation when they’ve discovered that their wife is about to file a “no-fault divorce” *spit* and walk off with half his income, at least one car, the kids, the house, and most of his worldly possessions, and he will have absolutely no recourse...before he attempts to flee with his children and whatever he can grab. Few of them even make it out of their home state unless they live next to a border line.


36 posted on 01/17/2014 9:28:43 AM PST by EternalHope13
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To: Red Steel

The law exempts law enforcement, by the way, in that service weapons are exempt unless specifically prohibited by a local court restraining order.

Another aside: the law is part of the VAWA (Violence Against Women Act)—quite a feminist political push in the ‘90s. Possession of ammunition is also illegal for affected individuals.


38 posted on 01/17/2014 9:45:21 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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