Posted on 01/16/2014 7:28:22 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather
Because the Oprahite mentality is so strong in this country we are opting to ACCEPT that the vast majority will not receive any of these measures because it is "more fair".
Many will die to ensure the "rich" don't live.
“At any rate, thank you for your exceedingly clear admission to your affiliation with establishment Republicans, no matter how liberal they become.”
Please don’t make things up out of whole cloth. It is exceedingly unbecoming of you. The vast majority of Republicans are not liberal nor have they ever been. You and your ilk (like Norm)have made sure that these political threads are unfriendly to ALL Republicans, of ALL stripes, conservative, moderate, or otherwise. You make no distinctions. So now all Republicans are unwelcome in your eyes. Only what you call conservatives with no seeming party distinction or affiliation it seems is what you want on this website. So what is that kind of conservative named exactly. From what party, or from a new party, from no party, what exactly are you and those that think like you.
How do you plan to ever get anything done politically, if not through some party somewhere? Are the other 3rd parties out there not to your liking? Why don’t you say you are operating within one of the other 3rd parties if you don’t like the Republicans? Do you want to start your own 3rd party? I mean, if none of the other myriad of 3rd parties are not to your purist liking (if one is, please designate which one you affiliate with) then when do you plan to start your own? And how long before the 3rd Party that you and other disgruntled once Republican Freepers want to start up if you do, before you are disgruntled with your own 3rd party also because it won’t think exactly like you, or be 100% pure on all issues. After all, the more members that would join up in your hypothetical new 3rd party, the more there will be differences of opinion. Just like how the Tea Partiers have broken up into many different organizations when once they banded together, due to disagreements among themselves. How long before you will want to shed your own 3rd party?
By the time you figure all of this out or get your own party going, our country will have been ruled by Democrats for years, as the Republican party will be deserted by you and other purists, and thus will not be able to win elections. That combined with changing demographics will destroy Republican party candidates from gaining elective offices, to be replaced by nothing for years on end by you and your ilk. And by then we will be forever doomed to a Venezuelan type fascist, socialist Amerika. But as you can’t accept, reality, I am sure this is falling on deaf ears.
Of course, you will not address what I have said and instead will fall back on the old canard of my answering your questions which I already did the first time around regarding the post you pinged my name on. Time for you to answer some of my questions to you. If you don’t, then let’s just end this conversation amicably as you have made it eminently clear that you don’t like Republicans, nor their party, nor do you want them around here anymore. You have cut off the only other large party in the U.S. other than the Dems, and thus there will be nothing to stop those Dems. Luckily I am older and will only have to live so long with the disastrous results that will be caused by nonvoters and 3rd party voters deserting the Republican Party at such a crucial time in our political history.
Or maybe you are just pulling my leg, hah, hah. The joke’s on me, right?
But thanks for you and Norm and the others that think like you do for clarifying that you feel this website is no longer welcoming to any Republicans; I’m sure they will be interested in knowing this, especially as Republicans were virtually the entire base here, by your own admission, from the gitgo. I myself have been on this website from late 1997, first as a lurker, and then signing up as part of what was then known as the Class of 1998. Now there are hardly any members from that Class of 98 left here. Were they purged and/or all run off by feeling unwelcome here, all the members of the Republican Party? They are now all persona non grata? Hmmmmmm.
Ok, now you can go back to your conversation with Norm about the sins of my existence or debating the credibility of my conservative credentials. Have fun. I remain, ... a Republican.
What did I make up? I merely interpreted your words in the most reasonable and obvious manner. Anyone, for example, that imparts some sort of positive spin -- as you did -- about HUCKABEE, that RINO who is actively fighting conservatives, is no conservative. She is, instead, clearly an establishment Republican.
If you didn't know that about yourself already, it was my pleasure to help.
But thanks for you and Norm and the others that think like you do for clarifying that you feel this website is no longer welcoming to any Republicans.
Not *establishment* Republicans, you betchya yer right. The Karl Roves, the John McCains, the Grahams and the Huckabees -- and the flagladys, apparently -- might not find this their best venue.
Now, CONSERVATIVE Republicans are certainly welcome. This is -- by the founder's own words -- a CONSERVATIVE website....not a Republican one. So, during this, the tail end of the Republican party -- a fate the establishment Republicans are bringing on themselves -- and during this moment, while the terms "Conservative" and "Republican" are still not a contradiction in terms, Conservative Republicans are welcomed heartily.
:^)
And I remain, ... a Conservative.
Last I checked this was never a “Republican” website. I thought it was a website for conservatives who believe in the Constitution.
Being an independent conservative I am happy to vote for conservatives who run as Republicans, but I won’t vote for anything else.
PERFECTLY put.
@#%%^&*#@%^&^*&^#@#***@#%$$$^^%%^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is the alternative? Medicare has been running on borrowed and printed money since 1986. THAT'S TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS.
This is like a cancer, eating the budget, eating the legislative process, eating the very system of government bequeathed to us.
Once the system crashes, NOBODY will receive expensive lifesaving measures (except members of the inner party).
As long as people's care is paid for by other people's money, this can't get better.
“But thanks for you and Norm and the others that think like you do for clarifying that you feel this website is no longer welcoming to any Republicans; “
Funny that the GOP supporter bitching about someone putting words in her mouth turns and puts words in mine.
The Problem with most Republicans is they believe that they are trapped by your wing. That they have nowhere else to call home. They are good people and to the best of my knowledge, have always been welcome on FR. They just haven’t been kicked hard enough in the teeth by your friends on a more personal level yet. So they keep making excuses to themselves, much like a wife beaten by an abusive husband. Or a husband beaten on by an abusive wife.
The other night, as you made one spelling flame after another, never realizing you were being mocked into them, you commented on my reading skills. But as Laz pointed out, you either didn’t read the mission statement for FR in over a dozen years here or just lack the skills to comprehend that FR never has been a GOP/Repub site.
But Whether it’s FR or any other conservative venue, the one thing it doesn’t need is GOP loyalists spreading their lesser evil stupidity. Because lesser evil is a VERY stupid political philosophy for anyone but a leftist to embrace. It gets you WILLINGLY accepting incremental bits of what you don’t want and they add up. It’s how YOUR party went from Ronald Reagan to Mitt Romney.
One Lesser Evil at a time.
So stand up and be proud of it. Gladly wrap your arms around the evil you promote. Just say it instead of acting like a leftist and hiding your true intentions. You are here because you want MORE of what Bhoner, Ryan, Mitch, Marco and the boys are pushing. Why hide it?
We know why.
“And I remain, ... a Conservative.”
I don’t think so. I don’t know what you have become, but it isn’t a conservative.
Beverly Perlson is the Founder of Band of Mothers, an active group that advocates for and promotes respect and honor for our Military members of all branches. See their website. Her father served in the Navy in World War II, her brother served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam, and her son served four deployments with the 82nd Airborne and is a Bronze Star recipient. This is part of a comment she wrote on-line after having gone to see “The Lone Survivor” at the movie theater. Note below what she says about the last presidential election, and those who didn’t vote. She agrees with me, not with you and your cohorts:
“January 16, 2014
Since the election in November, I’ve been angry with those who didn’t vote in the last election. I have sincerely apologized to our Troops for the 3 million SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES who failed to vote. To me, it truly was a knife in the heart of every brave Warrior who fights and risks their lives to preserve our wonderful way of life and to protect our most precious right to vote in free and fair elections. I consider it my duty, in honor of the enormous sacrifices made by all the brave American men and women of all wars, to vote! And all the members of my family know their duty too!
We will never take for granted this beautiful and safe way of life we enjoy everyday! Thank you to All The Brave Men & Women of the United States Military. We owe you our deepest gratitude and our utmost respect and we will do our part. As you keeping fighting over there, we will keep fighting over here, and those of us who honor your service will do our part and vote!
With A Mother’s Heart,
Beverly Perlson
The Band of Mothers”
Trying desperately to see your point. No luck.
I don’t need anyone to tell me about the military. I have a family filled with them going back over 100 years. I kinda have a clue about being in a military family.
I currently have a daughter pretty far up the ladder in her field. Guess what? after standing at a gate in Iraq dealing with suicide bombers and watching whats left of them parade through strapped across hoods of SF hummers like deer, she returned to her country to support what she believes in. Here’s a hint. She disposes what RINOs like you support. And guess what? Most of her fellows do as well.
Tell Paul Ryan hi for me at the next meeting.
I know most freepers already are aware of the fact that FR has become the repository of anti-Mormon wolf packs ( posting here for a couple years, now )....and now we see similar anti-Republican Party wolf packs who patrol our threads pouncing on posters who dare to criticize or comment on some issue or GOP politician that doesn't conform to the positions of the packs' various members.
What anti-something will be forming next?
Reading some of the threads this past week referring to Republicans such as Huckabee, Ryan and others, I was sickened at the coarse, vulgar, profane, insulting, hateful verbiage. You are either a wolf pack-styled "pure" conservative......or you are a despicable, stupid, treasonous Republican party member or leader who "embraces evil" as stated upthread.
The wolf pack members haven't the faintest clue that those of us who are conservative Republican Party members are no longer amused at the attacks on us because we don't pass their litmus tests on every political issue and personage. We're no longer amused that we are considered garbage just because we don't agree with losing strategies, i.e. third/fourth parties, or re-registering as "independents" (therefore becoming emasculated in many states' vital primaries)....or staying home and not voting at all. We cannot voice these opinions without nasty personal comebacks from the wolf-packers.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion here...and entitled to comebacks and pithy retorts, but it's becoming blatantly obvious that one must post and duck now if one's comment is quickly picked up by one of the roving wolf-packers and immediately becomes the target of over-the-line attacks and insults.
If one should protest the name-calling and personal insults, one is a "chicken" and should not be here....or one belongs over at DU, the Democrat leftist web site.
Management apparently doesn't care what's happening here...the former caveats on personal attacks and offensive language have been forsaken for a long time now....the current attitude is if you don't like it, leave.
I personally know many freepers who HAVE left this board, who are thinking of leaving this board....or who have cut out or cut down their contribution$ because of the intolerance, the coarse, graphic language and the verbal assaults currently rolling through many of the threads like an ever-enlarging snowball.
I have been a freeper for over fifteen years. I attended all of the DC marches and FR events like the Ball and the Managers' Banquet. I was "Bahama Mama", organizing three fundraising FR cruises, I was "FRiva Diva" for the Las Vegas FR convention, I am hostess for many FR get-togethers for my fellow Florida Chapter members...the last being "FReep the Brunch" a couple months ago. I was a conservative elected official for 20 years. I wrote and published a conservative newsletter with national distribution for years. I am a member of the conservative Missouri Synod Lutheran Church.
My conservative credentials are open for all to see....but if I don't watch my step and mention on a thread the wrong type of comment on a Huckabee or a Ryan or a Rubio or an Issa or whoever the wolf packs' current "Republican Party Outcast/Traitor de Jour" happens to be...well, then.... I instantly become one of those verboten "Republican RINOS"....or one of those vile "Republican moderates", not fit to sully the pages of this forum with my evil opinions.
I've just about had enough of the small group of anti-Republican Party attempts to take over thread after thread, not to mention the garbage, coarse "new tone" to be found on more and more Free Republic pages if you aren't a conservative "purist" and still belong to...gasp....the elite-controlled Republican Party.
If there's no room for staunch GOP adherents here who believe in working for change WITHIN the party, let's get it out in the open.
The wolf packs want a "pure" conservative forum here....GOP members are immediately suspect....and can get lost, for all they care.
If FR becomes a blatant anti-Republican Party hate-site, I'm outta here. I pray this will not happen.
Leni/MinuteGal
The Chamber of Commerce is worse than the democrat party and should be destroyed!
Well, I can DEMONSTRATE how you are not a conservative. When we are done with this, I will do so.
But try to do the same with me.
I've noticed you have a very hard time staying focused on a topic, so perhaps I ask too much, but: Staying focused only on the issues of the day, and on who I support as a politician, comb through my posting history, and point out the places where it can be stated I am not a Conservative.
Put up or shut up, you CINO Establishment Republican harridan. :)
It was an absolute non-sequitur, wasn't it?
But what are we supposed to do, Leni, when the Republican Party is led and controlled by the likes of Boehner and McConnell?
What are we to do when Republicanism means Obamacare, open borders, more spending, Jeb Bush/John McCain/Carl Rove/Chris Christie?
My family has been Republican since they hit these shores. And yet the Republican Party—Chuck Grassley, Orin Hatch, John Hoeven (ethanol, amnesty, gay marriage) has nothing to do with my family anymore.
Work within the system? Isn’t that what the Republicans have done (with the short-lived exception of Newt) since 1992?
How many more trillions, how much more damage, how much more death and destruction are we to be complicit in, working from within?
You are a great poster and—I always thought—a great conservative. How can it be that we are on different sides of the battle to save our nation?
Well said
Diversion. It’s what’s for Liberal/GOPe dinner.
But there is no way you cannot say that there is NOT a ***huge*** problem at the upper-management levels of the Republican party. They have embraced positions that are going so far to the left, that they might as well be the positions taken by last-generation's liberal democrats. This very thread's original topic should have you much more upset at the people at the top of your party, than at anyone who might ask the hard questions -- or, even, in eventual frustration (since the rot is getting worse, not better), make an exclamation of disgust.
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