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British soldiers at risk after US Pave Hawk helicopters are withdrawn from Afghanistan
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/360098/British-soldiers-at-risk-after-US-Pave-Hawk-helic ^ | 12th January 2014 | John Ward

Posted on 01/12/2014 3:05:59 AM PST by huldah1776

BRITISH troops have been put at risk in Afghanistan after the withdrawal of vital American helicopter rescue teams.

US Pave Hawk choppers have been an important ­element of the air medical ­response in Helmand due to their winch capabilities.

In the past six years the aircraft, which operate out of ­Camp Bastion, Britain’s main military base in the country, have saved more than 2,400 lives.

But they have been pulled out of the war zone a year earlier than expected and a ­senior military source says they have not been adequately replaced.

The insider said loss of the Pave Hawks could cost lives as UK commanders do not have a helicopter that can safely winch Our Boys to safety from minefields.

The mole said: “In the past, if soldiers have been ­stranded in a minefield we have relied on the Pave Hawk to get them out.

“We have Chinooks with winch capabilities now but the downdraft of a Chinook is immense and could set off mines, putting lives at risk.

“The Pave Hawks have not been replaced so we cannot winch ­soldiers out of dangerous situations.”

“In the past, if soldiers have been ­stranded in a minefield we have relied on the Pave Hawk to get them out” Mole

The importance of the Pave Hawks was highlighted when they were called in to save ­British paratroopers from a minefield in Kajaki Dam, Helmand, in 2006. The men were trapped and an ­attempt to rescue them with an RAF Chinook backfired when it set off a blast as it tried to land.

Corporal Mark Wright, 27, was ­seriously injured when he was hit by mine fragments yet still ­directed his men.

US Pave Hawks managed to winch him and the others out of danger but Cpl Wright later died. He was posthumously awarded the George Cross.

After the incident a report called for a smaller battlefield helicopter to be ­deployed with a winch on all future ­operations.

Lynx helicopters flown by the Brits were fitted with winches but could not operate in hot conditions – so the US stepped in to provide ­cover.

A senior British officer said the loss of the Pave Hawks from Bastion was ­significant.

He said: “We have used Lynx to airlift people in the past but only very early in the ­morning when the air temperature is still low.

“The departure of the Pave Hawks put us back to where we were in 2006 with no capability to winch.”

The Ministry of Defence said despite the withdrawal of Pave Hawks, the safety of British troops had not been compromised.

Four American airmen were killed last Tuesday when a Pave Hawk based at RAF Lakenheath crashed near Salthouse, Norfolk.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; helo; military; unitedkingdom; waronterror; withdrawal
Any whispers of this in U.S. papers? So now along with the ROE getting them KIA or wounded, our military and allies will no longer be able to get out of a mine field. Are they thinking about the lives of these men? I was going to be sarcastic but couldn't do it.

To those who served on these birds, thank you. I'm glad you are home, but wish others were taking your place to continue the fight.

1 posted on 01/12/2014 3:06:00 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

No doubt, Bamster decided that JUST our troops deaths were not enough for muzzie bloodlust so he’d throw in a few of our allies too.


2 posted on 01/12/2014 3:12:00 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: huldah1776

Incredible incompetence or reckless disregard of allied lives.
Either way, it’s criminal.


3 posted on 01/12/2014 3:16:32 AM PST by Bobalu (The true secret to genius is in creativity, not in technical mechanics - Richard Feynman)
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To: huldah1776

Maybe we need a RADIO FREE AMERICA.

It is clear the state owned and ran media will only cover what the government wants them to cover, and will be critical of only those that loses favor with those in power.

We are becoming a shadow of our former self.


4 posted on 01/12/2014 3:32:41 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Good idea. Will send a message to Rush. :)


5 posted on 01/12/2014 3:59:05 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

We should expect nothing less. Zero and 0bamunists are not content to needless escalate the threat against our own troops with ROE that make it all but impossible for them to defend themselves, but now they also turn their backs on our allies in the fight.
Regardless of your position on these military excursions, the fact that this administration would further endanger our troops and our allies is unconscionable.
But I expect nothing less from a communist of this ilk.


6 posted on 01/12/2014 4:05:58 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: huldah1776
Although I have no doubt that Supreme Generalissimo Obongo is once again hanging the Brits out to dry, why don't the Brits have their own rescue choppers?

(Rhetorical Question---I already know the answer.)

7 posted on 01/12/2014 4:24:59 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: huldah1776

....it’s all about the juvenile Odungo, the lying Marxist scumbag


8 posted on 01/12/2014 4:34:20 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Bobalu

“Incredible incompetence or reckless disregard of allied lives. Either way, it’s criminal.”

Ditto.


9 posted on 01/12/2014 4:34:22 AM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

We have it infowar.com


10 posted on 01/12/2014 4:38:37 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: huldah1776

Zer0 abandons an ally. Despicable.


11 posted on 01/12/2014 4:39:13 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Bobalu

Wait until Obama starts selling these to the Afghan Military.


12 posted on 01/12/2014 5:06:58 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

My nephew is a PJ gets deployed to Afghanistan every year or so; they use Pavehawks which are updated Blackhawks. PJs get tasked to all kinds of missions beyond rescuing downed pilots and wounded soldiers; they are highly trained, very professional, and put their life on the line for their Country more than anybody can imagine. The nephew got two bronze stars and a silver star over the last few deployments; but I’d much rather be moose hunting with him than reading award citations. They use those Pavehawks here in Alaska for all kinds of rescue situations, keep them busy too. I’d rather see them stateside too.


13 posted on 01/12/2014 6:01:46 AM PST by Eska
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To: huldah1776

Our guys aren’t dying fast enough to suit the president.


14 posted on 01/12/2014 6:36:55 AM PST by skeeter
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To: huldah1776

The screwing over of allies by Obama is intentional.


15 posted on 01/12/2014 7:50:12 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: huldah1776; mickie; pax_et_bonum; Maine Mariner
I don't get it.

Almost the entire article above is devoted to details on how the safety of British trooops has been compromised by the Pave Hawk helicopters being withdrawn by the U.S.

Then....the article closes with a quote from the British Ministry of Defence which states that despite the withdrawal of the Hawks "the safety of British troops has not been compromised".

So, which is it...the troops are compromised or not?

Sounds like Obama-speak from the Ministry of Defence, doesn't it!

Leni

16 posted on 01/12/2014 8:08:57 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: huldah1776; Saije; Saoirise; MestaMachine; Semper Mark
Go see ‘Lone Survivor’ to see how inadequate air backup can lead to unnecessary casualties. Warning: it isn't an entertaining movie and is very difficult to watch. Yes. It's a film about heroism. But it is an educational film as well. It also addresses ridiculous ROE’s that have cost, and are costing, the lives of our troops.

Then there's this story from the past. Have they learned nothing?!

9/8/2009

‘We're pinned down:’ 4 U.S. Marines die in Afghan ambush

“We are pinned down. We are running low on ammo. We have no air. We've lost today,” Marine Maj. Kevin Williams, 37, said through his translator to his Afghan counterpart, responding to the latter’s repeated demands for helicopters...”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2335142/posts

17 posted on 01/12/2014 8:26:49 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: 444Flyer

The ROE also include rescue helos. They had the same problem in Nam.

I can watch Black Hawk Down only about once a year now that I am a Blue Star Mom. To see this one I have to prepare myself, take a box of tissues and go alone. I just read that lavender really does help so maybe i’ll pack a bunch and sniff it during the movie. I’ll probably get arrested.

Prayers for the people who will be triggered.


18 posted on 01/12/2014 8:51:57 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: 444Flyer

Read the thread at link. 2009. It hasn’t changed except now there are fewer helos to call in. I can’t imagine being a veteran and reading this stuff knowing that there is little we can do now. They get getting together about their benefits and going to DC, I wish they would add the ROE to their agenda.


19 posted on 01/12/2014 8:59:19 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776
The film is very violent and graphic. It attempts to show the real brutality of the battle the SEAL team found themselves in. At times you may just close your eyes because it is so difficult to witness. But, at the same time, it pays great tribute to those warriors who died that day. As well as educates on the battle culture our military resides in. It emphasizes the SEAL’s Brotherhood as well. But, you will need your tissues. I caught myself tearing up multiple times throughout the film.:(
20 posted on 01/12/2014 9:03:17 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: huldah1776

Ditto!


21 posted on 01/12/2014 9:04:58 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: huldah1776
Side note: The film makers changed some of the story to fit their vision for the film. Spoiler alert: the ending of the film didn't happen that way in reality, as well as a few other embellishments. But overall, they stayed very close to the actual story.
22 posted on 01/12/2014 9:31:58 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: huldah1776; 444Flyer
Saw this article last night, Tapper does make good points about Op Red Wings purpose and backup, the air support for the operation was inadequate: http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/10/essay-real-story-behind-lone-survivor/

FTA:

that these four Navy SEALs were inserted into these mountains to try to get eyes on an insurgent leader named Ahmad Shah, and they did not have enough backup, and they were put into a treacherous area that they and the U.S. military knew precious little about.

23 posted on 01/12/2014 9:40:38 AM PST by Saoirise (Keep Larry Hutchins Free - USMC)
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To: Saoirise
Link to CNN
24 posted on 01/12/2014 9:45:23 AM PST by Saoirise (Keep Larry Hutchins Free - USMC)
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To: huldah1776

I’m sure this is just a misunderstanding. After all, it’s not like we have a president who hates the British and insults them at every opportunity, is it?


25 posted on 01/12/2014 11:38:22 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

forgot about that, too. Unmotivating our allies along with our own.


26 posted on 01/12/2014 4:29:15 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

More proof that Obama hates the Brits.


27 posted on 01/12/2014 4:30:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: CIB-173RDABN

>> It is clear the state owned and ran media will only cover ...

The MSM is the Country’s greatest threat.


28 posted on 01/12/2014 4:37:23 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: huldah1776
Pave Hawk Helicopter:
29 posted on 01/12/2014 5:06:09 PM PST by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: huldah1776

Bump!


30 posted on 01/12/2014 6:57:13 PM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: huldah1776

The US media lives, and will continue to live, in a fantasy world until the real world once more bites them in the ass. Then for about six months, you might see some reality in the MSM, which will slowly morph back into agonizing over the fate of the poor killer wales at Sea World, forced to do tricks for humans.


31 posted on 01/12/2014 9:12:27 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: huldah1776

I’m appalled. Just googled US Pave Hawks, and all the American media mention is the crash of one in Norfolk.


32 posted on 01/12/2014 9:15:14 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

It is about time that patriotic Americans start a publicity campaign in every city with a major newspaper and radio talk show, to tell the people just how Obama is betraying our allies.

Letters to the editor can be an effective way of getting into print a mini-story, one that the paper might have missed or deliberately ignored.

Within the last week and a half, a friend of mine and myself have had two such letters published in an unfriendly and a friendly newspaper in DC.

Both were educational and for the interested reader, they might have opened a few eyes and brain cells.

The same for talk shows, one of our most effective means of reaching millions of people across America.

The same with “book talks”, author presentations, and group meetings with guest speakers. I’ve just seen a friend do over 300 such talks in 3 months (both as a book tour and as a political analysis tour), speaking before thousands of people who, in turn, tell others about his books and what he said.

This has made it into national columns, radio talk shows, and before Tea Party regional organizations (they are uniting, folks).

The effect has been galvanizing on many who are now spreading out their organizational and personal reaches to make more people aware of what is going on.

Any FR vet should try to get their veterans organizations to support PAVE aircraft for the British soldiers in Afghanistan.

The sheer negative publicity about Obama/Hagel’s betrayal of our allies could have a positive effect.

Let’s hit our domestic traitors and enemies right where it hurts, in their political balls.

Their betrayal of our allies in a time of war is a national shame and we must “SHAME” the Obama regime into doing the right thing for the first time in their traitorous existence.

NAM, 1970.


33 posted on 01/12/2014 9:39:06 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: huldah1776; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


34 posted on 01/12/2014 9:44:15 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Interesting idea...


35 posted on 01/12/2014 11:40:40 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Eleutheria5

You would think that conservatives would have gotten into media by now. Could call it “Declaration Independent Media.”


36 posted on 01/14/2014 3:34:56 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: huldah1776

Must be they’re making the mistake of going to journalism school, and didn’t believe those stories about the brainwashing machine. But there is Drudge, and Rush, et al., who have more journalistic ability in their toes than the MSM has in its whole vile, slithery entirety.


37 posted on 01/14/2014 6:23:09 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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