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Rescue boat can't reach ship in Antarctica
CNN ^ | December 29, 2013 | Holly Yan

Posted on 12/29/2013 6:42:11 AM PST by Zakeet

Edited on 12/29/2013 6:48:42 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

After nearly a week trapped by deep Antarctic ice, the 74 passengers aboard an expedition vessel could soon be freed.

But based on the troubles of the last few days, no one's sure exactly when that might happen.

An Australian icebreaker ship Aurora Australis is headed toward the Russian-flagged vessel and is expected to arrive around midnight (8 a.m. ET) Sunday, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antarctica; climatechange; environment; globalwarming; shokalskiy
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This wouldn't have happened if you Freepers would have left your SUV's in the garage and not warmed the planet!

1 posted on 12/29/2013 6:42:11 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Not to worry.

The ice will melt when summer arrives.

Oh wait...it IS summer....


2 posted on 12/29/2013 6:52:10 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

And Obama just keeps playing golf in Hawaii, LOL


3 posted on 12/29/2013 6:53:47 AM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: Zakeet

In a related story at the bottom there is this link to 100 yr old photos which suggest it was pretty warm in Antarctica back then...:

>http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/28/world/antarctic-historic-photos/index.html<


4 posted on 12/29/2013 6:56:20 AM PST by G Larry
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To: BenLurkin
Dumont d'Urville Station, 100 miles west of the ship is reporting -7F.
5 posted on 12/29/2013 6:57:06 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man

Freeze until they die, OK, is that racist?


6 posted on 12/29/2013 6:58:36 AM PST by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: Zakeet

And winter is coming.


7 posted on 12/29/2013 7:02:22 AM PST by lurk
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To: lurk
Where I live the average surface air temp minimum occurs roughly a month after the minimum top-of-atmosphere solar input.

Don't know if the lag is the same for the summer Antarctic region.

8 posted on 12/29/2013 7:05:38 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Zakeet

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/iphone/iphone.anom.antarctic.html

The Antarctic ice mass is rapidly increasing
The Captain of this boat is an idiot and
It carries a Ship of Fools


9 posted on 12/29/2013 7:08:11 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: USS Alaska
Freeze until they die, OK, is that racist?

ONLY if there are any blacks on board. If not, then you're OK.

10 posted on 12/29/2013 7:08:55 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Zakeet
The Australian icebreaker is rated at 1.23 meters of ice and the failed Chinese breaker is rated at 1.1 meters.

Ice that the Russian ship is trapped in is reportedly 3-4 meters thick.

Seems to me that the owners of the Russian ship need to be contacting their agent at Lloyds.

11 posted on 12/29/2013 7:22:13 AM PST by fso301
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To: Zakeet

This boat of boneheads need to turn in circles, jump up and down a million times to bring forth the globull warming deity to save them.


12 posted on 12/29/2013 7:24:19 AM PST by dforest
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To: Zakeet; All

Not one report from the MSM pointing out this is the middle of the southern hemiespheres summer.


13 posted on 12/29/2013 7:28:26 AM PST by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: mosesdapoet
“Not one report from the MSM pointing out this is the middle of the southern hemiespheres summer.”

Frozen in ice in the summer; while out looking for signs of global warming. Nice.

Next thing they will say guaranteed:
“ Climate change brings weather extremes. This sudden amount of unexpected ice is the result of climate instability from human caused CO2 emissions.”

14 posted on 12/29/2013 7:37:32 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: fso301

I used to drive icebreakers, and the one I was on was in a similar pickle, and it has a lot to do with wind.

Icebreakers ‘ratings’ are generally for CONTINUOUS ice operations at 4 knots. You can ‘back and ram’ ice that is much thicker than 4 feet.

The one I was on could back and ram ice up to 21 feet thick. If you were going through multiyear ice (to be avoided), you had to back and ram.

Icebreaking REALLY is a matter of ice avoidance than it is ice breaking. ‘Poliniyas’, for example (lakes of water you find in the ice as you navigate - Poliniya is the Russian word for ‘lake’) are your friend.

Icebreakers carry helicopters to help them find the paths of least resistance in the ice.

What screwed the Russians here isn’t the ice, but the wind.

When the wind blows a multiyear ice flow down on to your track, and you are between the shore ice and the flow being pushed down upon you, then you end up with a conveyer belt effect - you break ice in the morning and with great labor and fuel use you make, say, six miles. You shut down when the sun goes down, and when you wake up, everything on the beach that you passed the day before is suddenly ahead of your ship off of your bow.

The wind pushed the ice and the ship back down your track.

As the days now start becoming shorter down there, the available ice breaking days get shorter too. If it is cold, and this year it is very cold, then your ability to back the ship down its track becomes very dangerous (most icebreakers today are designed to mill ice - even multi-year chunks the size of a McMansion - through its props.)

Having said that, when your track refreezes, you aren’t backing through broken ice and water, but new ice.

Not sure about the specs of the Russian breaker, but most of their breaker fleet is nuclear powered. They have many conventionally powered breakers, but those breakers rely on the weight of the fuel to do most of the work.

The breaker ‘dolphins’ up on top of the ice in front of it and the weight of it breaks through the top of the ice, not through the ice like a pizza cutter would through pizza crust.

So, unless it warms up, and the wind shifts, they need to be looking at wintering over. I can’t imagine what that would be like on a nuke ship. On a conventional boat, you keep some engineers, one storekeeper, maybe two, a bare-bones deck force, and maybe two officers.

You literally lock down most of the ship and everyone lives in the area closest to the superstructure. You don’t go in the areas that have been locked down except to check watertight integrity.

They fly in supplies, and lots and lots of fuel filters, and you catch up on your reading. There will be science missions they’ll no doubt give you since you are there, but the real possibility of being crushed in the ice like Bear was back in the day is pretty small.


15 posted on 12/29/2013 8:09:19 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: mountn man

Comforting to know it’s five degrees colder in my backyard this morning than it is near the South Pole.


16 posted on 12/29/2013 8:10:38 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Zakeet

It is summer time in Antarctica, there shouldn’t be any ice. It is 100 in Argentina and the pirana are snacking on swimmers.


17 posted on 12/29/2013 8:11:04 AM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Zakeet
Greetings and a Happy New Year to all from MinuteGal in the Sunshine State where it's now 75 degrees and rising....ho ho!

Leni

18 posted on 12/29/2013 8:18:22 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Zakeet
The rescue icebreakers were battling the planet's coldest environment while trying to reach the Akademik Shokalskiy ship, whose 74 researchers, crew and tourists remained in good condition despite being at a frozen standstill since Monday.

The ship is carrying scientists and passengers led by expedition leader Chris Tunrey, an Australian professor of climate change.

The expedition to gauge the effects of climate change on the region, began November 27. The second and current leg of the trip started December 8 and was scheduled to conclude with a return to New Zealand on January 4.

Ironically, Turney's bid for this expedition was inspired by Sir Douglas Mawson's disastrous and near-fatal (for him) expedition of 1912.

Turney doesn't have much to say (FB) about getting stuck except to post a 'recommend' on this CNN story by "Tea-bag" Cooper.

LOL. Can't wait to read Turney's paper on the trip...

19 posted on 12/29/2013 8:23:50 AM PST by logi_cal869
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To: RinaseaofDs

Very informative post - thanks. I was a draftsman at Lockheed shipyard in Seattle back in the early 70’s during the construction of the Polar Star and Polar Sea icebreakers. Impressive vessels, I heard later they had problems with the controllable pitch propellers while breaking ice.


20 posted on 12/29/2013 8:34:04 AM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon; windage and elevation.)
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