Posted on 12/18/2013 8:24:58 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft
Lee was not only top of his class at West Point, he has the highest graduating G.P.A in the history of the U.S. Military Academy. The 2nd is General Douglas MacArthur.
Hood was a disaster in the defense of Atlanta too although Sherman was a very tough opponent. “As we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea, while we were marching through Georgia”.
Do you think they will chisel off the carving off the side of Stone Mountain of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and Jeff Davis?
Won’t happen.
They don’t make them like that anymore. The war of northern aggression was the start of the downward slide of the U.S. in my opinion.
If I’m not mistaken Lee graduated from four years at WP without a single demerit.
The problem is that when you use your army in this way the very best you can hope for is to delay the inevitable.
During the Atlanta campaign Johnston fought very skillful delaying/holding actions all the way from Chattanooga to Atlanta. But he still wound up with Atlanta beseiged.
So Hood was put in command and instructed to fight. Which he did, and promptly lost as many men in a few days as Johnston had over some months.
But the relevant point is that defensive strategy cannot win unless the enemy gives up in frustration.
The South could NOT win a long war of attrition. Lee's strategy of knocking the Union out of the war by crushing its armies on northern soil was the ONLY one that had a chance of success. As it turned out, he was able to implement the invading part but not the crushing part. But it was a very near thing. Just finished another book about Gettysburg. Everybody's heard about Pickett's Charge, but I had been unaware how many times on Day 2 Lee came within a whisker of breaking Meade. It was something like half a dozen. Sheer luck, more than anything else, stymied him.
I think there is no question Lee had deduced the only strategy that MIGHT have worked.
I do have on caveat. Had European countries, notably UK, come in on the CSA side, it would have been an entirely different war.
They can put up pictures of Snowden alongside them. I mean, if we are honoring traitors, let’s go full hog.
T’anks—yarddog—I think if they remove Lee they will remove Eisenhower as well. I remember what “Ike” said when some idiot questioned his portrait of Lee.— Yours is a more excellent reply....T’anks
Do you think they will chisel off the carving off the side of Stone Mountain of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and Jeff Davis?................................................. Maybe to make room for Hillary? Oh wait, that’s Mt Rushmore.
I’m sure most of you folks probably haven’t heard that they even tried to remove Lee’s portrait from the County Office here in Lee County FL.. LOL, when I was a kid I heard someone say; “Save Your Confederate Flags, the South will rise again.”, it appears that it may become a reality. I guess if you live in the south you lost your right to fly the flag or have General Lee.s picture on the wall. This once great country of ours was once a free nation, the people we gave power to, see freedom in a different light these days. How long will it be before we have our own Kim Jong Un?
Lee was a U.S. General and considered the best before the Civil War. There is a certain class of professionalism and superior military mind and conduct that this nation has tried to find and support in its top Generals and no matter who Lee was operating under he showed those qualities.
The U.S. Army War college should not mimic the political affairs of the nation, for the military is pledged to be subordinate to their civilian bosses, not antagonists opposed to them nor protagonists for them.
Lee was a man of the south, and he followed, not led, the political course that his homeland area took. He continued to be a great General, as he had been before the war.
It is stupid and mere historical revisionism to even consider taking his picture down.
“Stonewal Jackson” likewise was a great American General and the only complaint that Linocoln felt about him was that Jackson was not one of his Generals, as Jackson, like Lee, honored and followed the political authorities of his homeland. And in truth, many northerners and even northern Generals who held views no different than southern slave owners yet followed the course set by the political leaders of their state. As a military general and military tactician Jackson remains a great “American” General no matter what the political course of the nation ever was. Like Lee Jackson was also a product of West Point, America’s premier military officer training ground. To remove Jackson and his military career, for its politicalk context, would be to rewrite America’s military history and the lessons our military students need to learn.
Quite a few years ago there were a couple of jackasses who would come on every thread which had any thing to do with the South.
They would make all kinds of distorted and simply false claims. I never had the patience to look up the facts but thankfully there were a few who either already knew or would do the research.
Finally both were outed as hard core liberals. One I recall was a Clinton supporter.
Anyway I just don’t argue with them any more.
“Do you think they will chisel off the carving off the side of Stone Mountain of Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and Jeff Davis?................................................. Maybe to make room for Hillary? Oh wait, that’s Mt Rushmore.”
Can’t use Mt Rushmore, too beautiful. Besides, there is no room for her cankles.
It was Bill Clinton himself who initiated the modern history-washing crime, by inviting Marxist professors Eric Foner and James McPherson to rewrite the public documents and markers available to docents and Park rangers at Gettysburg.
Clinton wanted to drive home his political inculpation of the South, his object being to isolate and blackguard Southern conservatives and attack conservatives in other regions by comparing them to the foul excrement which white Southerners are: <finger-wagging Clinton voice>"Ah know those people", and blah blah blah hate blacken smear. </voice>
Thanks for the great post.
I don't know, but I have a feeling, it WILL happen. Many people say it couldn't happen here, but I remember that dip stick that said 25 million Americans need to be killed off. I don't think that many of these people will be willing to voluntarily drink the kool aid.
Ending up in the gift shop, I attempted to find the United States Department of the Interior Park Service pamphlet that provides the historical background of Fort Sumter.
None could be found, and an attendant explained that the Park was temporarily out of the booklet because their supply had been recalled. She said that the Park Service had explained to the employees that the historical booklets were being rewritten and would be sent along following the printing.
Seeking an explanation as to what information was being revised, the local Park Service Resident-Historian explained that the United States Congress had recently directed the U.S. Park Service to change its presentations to the public regarding the Civil War era historical locations and their historical facts.
Research showed that Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr., of Chicago, Illinois, had inserted language in a Department of Interior appropriations bill for Year 2000 that instructed the National Park Service to promote the idea about slavery as the dominant cause of the war at all Civil War park sites. He obtained the cooperation of historian Eric Foner, who has written what some believe to be Marxist papers, to assist the National Park Service in its efforts at rewriting history so that it better served the political agenda of Jackson.
Congressman Jackson has candidly described this whole effort as “a down payment on reparations.”
That issue of revisionism led me to eagerly and frequently rebut such famous Freepers as WhiskeyPaPa, non-sequitur, and many others.
I am not interested in rewriting, but getting the truth respected.
Garnet Wolseley was a truly great and interesting man in his own right.
He led the expedition to rescue Chinese Gordon in Khartoum. After Gordon arrived in Khartoum and arranged for the safe passage of British civilians and most soldiers, he remained and held off the Muslims for over a year. The British government was not interested in keeping Khartoum and made no effort to rescue Gordon. Finally public pressure forced them to make the attempt.
Wolseley arrived a day late. He retook Khartoum but Gordon had been killed the day before. His body was still there.
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