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Southern Discomfort: U.S. Army seeks removal of Lee, ‘Stonewall’ Jackson honors
The Washington Times ^ | 12/17/13 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 12/18/2013 8:24:58 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft

The U.S. Army War College, which molds future field generals, has begun discussing whether it should remove its portraits of Confederate generals

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: dixie; museum; purge; usmilitary
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Looks like PC has taken over our History.
1 posted on 12/18/2013 8:24:58 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Are all of the portraits of American generals, or are there any from other countries?


2 posted on 12/18/2013 8:27:45 PM PST by henkster (Communists never negotiate.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Let me guess. General Sherman’s picture with all the atrocities his army committed can stay?


3 posted on 12/18/2013 8:30:49 PM PST by The Iceman Cometh (Proud Teabagging Barbarian Terrorist Hobbit Crazy Cracker Son-of-a-Bitch!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
When this happens, the Army will abandon some of the greatest generals ever to serve in the U.S. Army. "The North had the resources and the South had the generals."

You only need to look at the Peninsular Campaign and the Seven Days Before Richmond to know that Lee out-generaled everyone the North threw against him. One of our greatest, and most honorable generals!

I guess he doesn't fit in with what today's Army is looking for in an officer.



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4 posted on 12/18/2013 8:32:11 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I would imagine they need to make room for some fag portraits.


5 posted on 12/18/2013 8:35:04 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Bringbackthedraft

well they’ve re-written the History about practically everything else, so why not?

I swear it’s getting to the point where I don’t even want to read anything anymore I’m so darn disgusted.


6 posted on 12/18/2013 8:35:24 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

How can you study US Military history without including these guys? Sheesh.


7 posted on 12/18/2013 8:35:51 PM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

How can you study US Military history without including these guys? Sheesh.


8 posted on 12/18/2013 8:35:54 PM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

This is utterly ridiculous and will not happen.

(People are beginning to wake up and see how un-American [and unprofessional] this group in DC is.)


9 posted on 12/18/2013 8:36:57 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Is this the same place holding homo weddings?

I mean, really. Homos are normal and OK out in the open in real life today, but a regular long-dead American soldier is not.


10 posted on 12/18/2013 8:37:23 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Sure, hell, replace them with Che, Stalin, Castro, Nero......whatever the hell strokes their fancy. We have been prostituting everything else in America. Oh, and don’t forget a Gay/Lesbian so and so..............NUTS!!


11 posted on 12/18/2013 8:38:51 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Bringbackthedraft

These where men of Honor. They didn’t plant hidden explosives in ice cream shops and blow civilians up in order to terrorize them. They didn’t bring down planes and passengers and then hid in the shadows claiming responsibility.

They stood toe to toe and faced musket and cannon and took the huge risk of life and limb for what they believed was the only means to fight the creeping Federalism. Hence the name ‘Confederate’.

I doubt many in today’s military could stand up to the vigor that those men did. Those where the day’s where Generals and Colonels where routinely killed in action. Not getting purple hearts for butt sores like today’s officers.


12 posted on 12/18/2013 8:39:52 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Before I delve into what the great Wolseley wrote about General Lee, let me first tell you about Sir Garnet Wolseley and establish with you his credibility both for greatness in his own right and as an individual who could recognize greatness in others from the lofty perch of his own character and accomplishments.

Let me begin by saying that Wolseley is generally given credit for the transformation of the British army from a gentleman’s army to a modern fighting force. He was the one who prepared the Brits to play a key role in the winning of the First World War.

He was attracted to the military at an early age and followed in the footsteps of his military father. From the beginning he was destined for greatness. His first action was in the Crimean War where he was elevated to the rank of captain at age 21. Because of his youth there was opposition to his holding this rank. When he threatened resignation if the rank were taken away, his superior officers recognized greatness and allowed him to maintain the rank. Just three years later he became the youngest lieutenant colonel in the British army.

Wolseley served in India and China before being sent to Canada in 1861 to help plan for possible war against the Union forces of the United States after northern forces had illegally removed two Confederate diplomats from a British ship.This was the famous Trent Affair. He traveled in secret to Virginia to study the organization and effectiveness of the Confederate army since it was primarily a volunteer army. He spent much time with generals Lee, Jackson and Longstreet and was highly impressed by all three. It was Robert E. Lee, however, who most impressed Wolseley.

Based on this time with the Confederates he wrote “A Month’s Visit to the Confederate Headquarters” which was published in Blackwood’s magazine and is still well-known today.

Garnet Wolseley later served in Cyprus as the first high commissioner of that island after it came into the empire and as governor and commanding general in South Africa Natal Province. In 1880 he returned to England and was made adjutant general which gave him authority over military training. In 1882 he was sent to Egypt to quell a nationalist uprising where his brilliant tactics led to suppression of the revolt. To show the gratitude of the British government, Wolseley was made a baron and paid a reward of 30,000 pounds. In 1884 he was made viscount and in1894 was made field marshall. In 1895 he was promoted to commander-in-chief of the British army.

Viscount Wolseley also found time to author THE LIFE OF MARLBOROUGH, THE DECLINE AND FALL OF NAPOLEON and SOLDIERS POCKET BOOK FOR FIELD SERVICE, the bible of the British army.

This is only a brief portrait of the brilliant Wolseley - a man of great honor, accomplishment and intelligence. How would a man of his stature describe Robert E. Lee? Let me list just a few direct quotes from the pen of this great man:

” I desire to make known to the reader not only the renowned
soldier, whom I believe to have been the greatest of his age,
but to give some insight into the character of one whom I
have always considered the most perfect man I ever met.”
Wolseley on Lee


” He was opposed to secession, and to prevent it he would
willingly sacrifice everything except honor and duty, which
forbid him to desert his State... Nothing would induce him
to have any part in the invasion of his own State, much as
he abhorred the war into which he felt she was rushing. His
love of country (Virginia), his unselfish patriotism, caused
him to relinquish home, fortune, a certain future, in fact
everything for her sake.”
Wolseley on Lee turning down the offer
of command of the Union army to side
with Virginia and the Confederacy

” He spoke bitterly of none - a remarkable fact, as at that
time men on both sides were wont to heap the most
violent terms of abuse upon their respective enemies.”
Wolseley on the character and
Christian nature of Lee

” Where else in history is a great man to be found whose
whole life was one such blameless record of duty nobly
done? ... The most perfect gentleman of a State long
celebrated for its chivalry, he was just, gentle, and
generous, and child-like in the simplicity of his
character.”
Wolseley on the character of Lee

” I have met many of the great men of my time, but Lee
alone impressed me with the feeling that I was in the
presence of a man who was cast in a grander mould,
and made of different and of finer metal than all other
men. He is stamped upon my memory as a being apart
and superior to all others in every way: a man with whom
none I ever knew, and very few of whom I have read, are
worthy to be classed.”
Wolseley on the greatness of Lee

” When all the angry feelings roused by Secession are
buried with those which existed when the Declaration of
Independence was written, when Americans can review
the history of their last great rebellion with calm impartiality,
I believe that all will admit that General Lee towered
far above all men on either side of that struggle: I believe
he will be regarded not only as the most prominent figure
of the Confederacy, but as the great American of the
nineteenth century, whose statue is well worthy to stand
on an equal pedestal with that of Washington, and whose
memory is worthy to be enshrined in the hearts of all his
countrymen.”
Wolseley on Lee’s rightful place in history


13 posted on 12/18/2013 8:44:40 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Last week my wife and I drove through Carlisle and saw sign for the US Army War College. We will be back that way again and will make time to see the area. Removing the pictures of Lee and Jackson would be a shame on those who order it and those who carry out the order.
A few months ago a column in the NY Times that questioned why Southern Forts and Bases were named after Confederate Generals and other heroes of the South. My reply to him is WTF? Should we rename Fort Stewart Fort Sherman? This PC Bullshit has got my blood pressure up, my guns all loaded and I'm looking for any excuse to take some PC A’holes to the dark regions of HE double hockey sticks!
14 posted on 12/18/2013 8:50:08 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: yarddog

Thank you for your wonderful information and insight!


15 posted on 12/18/2013 8:50:32 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: yarddog

Thanks for posting that, yarddog.


16 posted on 12/18/2013 8:50:53 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: yarddog

That is beautiful, and wonderful to read, especially considering the source. I concur, from everything I’ve ever read about Robert E Lee.


17 posted on 12/18/2013 8:52:39 PM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: yarddog

Very interesting and enlightening. Thank you.


18 posted on 12/18/2013 8:54:01 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

These people must be ashamed of their own American history.


19 posted on 12/18/2013 8:58:28 PM PST by plainshame
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To: yarddog

Read about Col. Joshua Chamberlain, who was a hero at Gettysburg, and was appointed to preside over the Confederates final surrender. He honored the surrendering soldiers by having the troops present arms as the defeated army passed. This was class. Removing Gens Lee and Jackson’s paintings from ANY wall in America is classless!
AMEN.


20 posted on 12/18/2013 9:01:21 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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