This stipulation/rule/whatever you want to call it is NOT a byproduct of Expanded Medicare. It has been there for decades IIRC.
People think when you get ‘benefits’ from the government that means you are free and clear. No way. You have to pay what you should, if you have the resources. Read the fine print.
They have something in the estate and they are on Medicaid?
1.) Extortion rackets aren't backed by the force of law.
2.) Ordinary extortionists normally don't try to steal everything.
This approach actually does people a favor by allowing them to defer payment until after they die.
GO AHEAD---DISCUSS THIS AROUND THE HOLIDAY TABLE Boobamba's got plans.....secret, nefarious plans for grampa/ma duped into Medicare/Aid. The BOOB can't get 'em to sign up on the flopola healthcare.guv website---so he's throwing hundreds of thousands onto MEDICAID------and all the costs of medical care will be charged back.
How can he do that? By slapping federal and state LIENS against signers' homes, and other assets. NOTE that the Obamacare con artists eliminated the ASSET TEST, (which would have prevented those with assets to even be considered for Medicaid coverage.
So those who now think, "Golly gee, my government loves me, Obama says I qualify for subsidized Medicaid care, I'll be well- taken care of"---have been suckered into a REVERSE ASSET LIQUIDATION FEDERAL MONEY GRAB......And, once in the hands of the Obama Chicago criminal hordes, all that money is untraceable.
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Obamacare con artists eliminated the ASSET TEST, (which would have prevented those with assets to even be considered for Medicaid coverage). Every person herded onto Medicaid signed away their entire estate to the govt. Heirs get nothing---everything goes to the state to re-coup the expenses incurred under Medicaid. The Obama criminals duped people into a reverse mortgage scheme......
Here's how it works.
The Obama con artists herded seniors WITH ASSETS onto Medicaid---a program specifically structured for the poor.
Herding sickly elderly with assets into Medicaid has ominous consequences intriguing to sap-happy leftists. B/c assets, perhaps a home owned free and clear, securities, annuities, investment property, can be seized to pay for govt treatment.
Thus intergenerational transfers of wealth (a longtime liberal/progressive bugaboo)----are decimated.
This is all part of the plan... elimination of private property rights and rights of inheritance are Planks #1 and #3 of the Communist Manifesto.
Goodbye inheritance. The NWO style government in place is never satisfied.
This isn’t limited to Washington State, it’s everywhere.
The hell you say. There's no such thing as a free lunch? How many years did it take for you to figure that out?
Just out of curiosity, who have you been voting for all these years, Prins?
Let me guess. Government officials are exempt.
NY may be angling to attach life insurance payouts for care costs. They have always been off limits, but I heard something awhile back that it was in the works to change that.
This is really disturbing as life insurance is not an asset, but is strictly voluntary and meant to help the surviving family members(in most cases)pay off outstanding obligations, funeral expenses and maybe have a bit left over to tide them over while they adjust financially.
In NY lottery winnings are subject to seizure if the winner has been on welfare. I think it’s 50% of the winnings not to exceed the amount the winner has received in benefits from NY, and may be the same (lottery winnings) percentage for people behind on child support too. I believe the welfare payback thing is in effect for ten years AFTER a person has ceased to be a recipient. I wonder if the winner would have to pay taxes on the full amount, or just the amount left after the state is paid back.
I have what I thought was a sufficient size burial policy for my father, but funeral prices have raised so much in the past five years that even pared down to the nitty gritty I will still come up short by at least a grand. Pop is on medicare, and I hope they don’t come after the little policy - if they do I’ll just have to leave Pop at the morgue and he will become a ward of the state.
Good damn thing I brought that burial plot for him back when I had a few bucks. That’s gone up by 25% also. At least the state isn’t coming after anyone for the value of the burial plots....yet.
One more thing about Obamacare that hurts white people more...
No one is guaranteed an inheritance folks! If someone racks up thousands of dollars in medical expenses and nursing home bills, and they have assets that could have been used to pay for those things, then the taxpayers are actually the ones who are getting stuck if Medicare doesn’t seek reimbursement!
Years ago, when I was in banking, I had a woman who came to my desk in tears. Her mother had fallen and needed surgery and rehab and she had no idea how she was going to pay for it. I looked up the mother’s account and told her that there was a 100K joint CD. I thought she would be incredibly relieved but instead she went into a full hissy fit - “That money is for ME when my mother dies...I’m not spending my inheritance to pay for a bunch of medical bills! The government should have free insurance and nursing home care for people like my mother!”
People - there is no such thing as a free lunch! There are more problems with Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare than any of us can list in one post but asking people with assets to cover their own expenses is not a bad thing!
Free ain’t free..................
if they or their estate can, why in hell shouldn’t they pay back the taxpayers? what’s so shocking about paying for what you take?
I think they should have paid for what they took when they took it, the govt should not be spending tax money giving things to people who don’t need the taxpayers’ “charity”
fix how the govt operates ... and then there will be a lot of money freed up ... that can be used for the (far fewer) cases where there’s real need ....and the majority of the funds can be refunded to the taxpayers. Thus we will achieve a far, far fairer system ...and some genuine stimulus for the sick Obama economy
I find it interesting how people use the words “healthcare” and “free” together.
***She was shocked: If you’re 55 or over, Medicaid can come back after you’re dead and bill your estate for ordinary health-care expenses.****
Yes they can! We found that out when my mom and my mother-in-law died in a nursing home.
Put everything in a Revocable Trust to keep their hands off!
Frankly, if you got free health care from other taxpayers, and you still had money when you died, I see no reason why your money should not pay back the taxpayers, instead of being given to your children. It’s not like your CHILDREN paid for your health care.
I find it sadly, cynically humorous how many Freepers on this thread are in fact “gaming the system”, or telling the others how to do it, but then go and rally against intrusive, overreaching gubmint on another thread.
That USA of old ain’t never coming back, is it?
People are SHOCKED that the socialist schemes are “unsustainable” and must grasp for any asset that can be appropriated for funding. It is shocking that hardly anyone knows that all these schemes (Social Security, Medicare, etc.) are a form of coveting and theft. On net balance, the average recipient will receive far more in benefits than they they paid in taxes or were paid into their account by their employer on their behalf.
Government helps to complete the recruitment into the conspiracy to defraud by not informing the recipient of benefits when they cross the line from receiving benefits they paid for and when the benefit is being financed by stealing from another citizen. Yes, I used the term stealing because running these Ponzi schemes is not one of the 13 enumerated powers granted in the Constitution. More important, socialism in general is evil because it exists on a justification of lies, coveting and theft, each of which is a violation of the Ten Commandments.
If we have indigent people, which we always will, we can fund their true needs in ways that don’t involve telling lies, coveting the wealth of others and conspiring to steal it through coercion and the threat of deadly force. Based on recent examples, government bureaucracies cost over 30% of the monies we are told were collected to help provide a “safety net”.
Moreover, this “safety net” now includes giving free cell phones to anyone who qualifies and it appears FREE GASOLINE.
see: Government Opening Free Gas Stations in Poor Neighborhoods
http://dailycurrant.com/2013/10/29/government-opening-free-gas-stations-in-poor-neighborhoods/