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The water is swirling faster as the tub empties.... this nation is not long for demise....
1 posted on 12/12/2013 11:24:42 AM PST by Sleeping Freeper
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Is Congress cutting its bennies and pensions?


2 posted on 12/12/2013 11:28:04 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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but the Marxists would go ballistic if anybody mentions cutting union pensions.


3 posted on 12/12/2013 11:29:01 AM PST by willywill
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“The Military Coalition, some 27 military groups, wrote to leaders in Congress and President Obama late Wednesday about their “strong objection” and “grave concern” over the budget deal.”

Grave concern wont buy you a corn flake, vets.

You had better be ready to make some noise with us, or those VA lines are going to be the least of your concerns.


4 posted on 12/12/2013 11:29:20 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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Hey, Paul Ryan: I guess the vets “read it and are getting back to you.”


5 posted on 12/12/2013 11:30:25 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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"Stay together, pay the soldiers... forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus 145 AD - 211 AD
8 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:00 AM PST by SMARTY ("Through money, democracy becomes its own destroyer, after money has destroyed intellect. " Spengler)
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Zero and Congress are about to repeat history. The war bonus revolt will be nothing compared to this. Now I see why DHS is hoarding all that ammo.


10 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:15 AM PST by DownInFlames
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What do they think “austerity” means? Here’s a hint: It’s NOT Latin for “cut everbody else’s but leave mine alone”.


11 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:28 AM PST by Wolfie
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You betrayed us, Congress.

Join the club and get in line, soldier.

12 posted on 12/12/2013 11:35:49 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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I guess this is not a huge surprise, or at least it shouldn't be. And I have a feeling that many retirees would be OK with this if there was a similar or larger cut in mind for the millions of Federal retirees that don't go out and put their lives on the line, in reality or potentially.

Instead, the deal includes this:

The 1% cut ends up saving the budget $6 billion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Congress would also make newly hired civilian federal workers contribute 1.3% more of their paychecks to pensions if the budget deal becomes law.

On the face of it, it sounds fair - its larger than teh military cut. Then you read in a little and realize that the military cut is on folks that have already enlisted or commissioned and served. The civilan side cut is ONLY to new hires - existing members of the Federal Bloatocracy are not subject to this.

So yeah, what could have been a fair and reasonable effort to trim costs for all becomes yet another gimme to the AFSCME types, and another middle finger tot eh military.

13 posted on 12/12/2013 11:38:17 AM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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Someone has to pay for ObamaCare.

It can’ be the welfare queens, illegal aliens now and coming, the knock out thugs and queens, the under educated mass, and the hoards with worthless instant unemployment degrees.

So Congress will cut the benefits for our retired, wounded/injured and active duty military personnel.

The liberal mediots and their lying clones in congress will rip out the guts of our vets and soon to be vets before cutting any money to the scum in America getting our tax $’s.


14 posted on 12/12/2013 11:38:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave ( Obamacare, ItÂ’s a Wonderful Lie! Obamaganda is failing 24/7! Soon Obamaganda will fail 24/365!)
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But I have a sister who is collecting social security disability on a fake problem. Fibromyalgia.

I guess NO ONE is talking about cutting her money or weeding out the fakers.

So my husband spent over 20 in the military is an easy target. No problem that he was promised something different.

Gotta love those repubs. They sure have our backs.


15 posted on 12/12/2013 11:38:56 AM PST by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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The average cut in pension payouts, including compounding interest, for a retiring Army Sergeant first class, would be about $3,700 each year, according to the Military Officers Association of America. Over 20 years, the total losses could balloon to more than $80,000. "While portrayed as a minor change, a 20% reduction in retired pay and survivor benefit values is a massive cut in military career benefits," wrote groups, including the Air Force Sergeants Association, Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America and the Marine Corps League, among others in the letter. The change is infuriating to military retirees like Army Col. Michael Barron, who retired nearly 4 years ago, after 30 years of service, which included being deployed to both Iraq wars. "It's not fair at all. I spent a 30 year career in the military. I clearly understood what the (cost of living increases) would be," said Barron, deputy director of government relations for the Military Officers Association of America. "This is the worst kind of example of a shady, back-room deal." Military groups say the cut is unfair because the changes will affect those who have already put in their years of service.

Incredible.

May the name "Paul Ryan" be forever associated with shame. If he (or any Republican that votes for this travesty) attends ANY ceremony on Veterans or Memorial Day, may they be booed off the stage.

This is the most egregious political back stab by the Republican party in its entire history. They could not go after the people taking ObamaPhones, they did not go after the ObamaCare subsidy Takers, they did not go after the 49 million SNAP card swipers, they did not go after the scammers on Social Security Disability - they went after American veterans who served their nation in uniform.

If this is what a Republican is supposed to be, I am ashamed I am registered as one. Never again will I vote for any of these people.

17 posted on 12/12/2013 11:44:53 AM PST by SkyPilot
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Well folks as long as everyone is part of this cut it is certainly necessary. Isn’t it! I have stated on a number of occasions, that I must be willing to accept at least a 40% cut or I’m part of the problem. We will see how this shakes out but there is nothing wrong with Military retirees leading in the effort to save the country.

That said, someone on high demanding the military lead is not much of a lead, but nevertheless if it happens we can at least say we were willing to do our part. I have been the beneficiary of a goodly number of COL raises, that have kept me well fed over a period of over 20 years. I’d much rather see a cut in my retirement than the option of being shot.

Yea I know that will never happen and hasn’t been mentioned. Just thought I’d bring it up. Since we all know exactly who it is that should be on the list of severe reductions in pay, benefits, and life care. Unfortunately the problem has been unaddressed for decades so the real culprits and crooks who have squandered our resources are mostly long expired.

Leaving the living, to shoulder the responsibility and suffer the pain, and try once again to right the ship of state and recover our long forgotten liberty. We’ve enjoyed the lap of luxury for much longer than we deserve. JMHO.


18 posted on 12/12/2013 11:45:32 AM PST by wita
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When will the media blame republicans?


20 posted on 12/12/2013 11:46:45 AM PST by barmag25
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Any doubt now? America is finished and will never recover. Oh, by the way, miss Romney yet?


23 posted on 12/12/2013 11:48:23 AM PST by Logical me
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What more can you expect from the con men in Congress located in the District of Con men?


26 posted on 12/12/2013 11:50:50 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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Obama will never bail out the military. They don’t vote the right way.


27 posted on 12/12/2013 11:50:51 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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There is a song by James Luther Dickinson "Red Neck, Blue Collar"
It Fits Here. . . . .
30 posted on 12/12/2013 11:53:04 AM PST by DeaconRed (If ZERO wants to copy Mandela, his new buddy, A great start is 27 years in the pokey. Period.)
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Come on, sacrifices have to be made to keep Detroit going...


31 posted on 12/12/2013 11:54:06 AM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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Time for a new version of the Bonus Army to march on Washington.


32 posted on 12/12/2013 11:54:32 AM PST by AZhardliner
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