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‘Spooky action’ builds a wormhole between ‘entangled’ particles
http://www.washington.edu ^ | December 3, 2013 | Vince Stricherz

Posted on 12/04/2013 8:21:43 AM PST by Red Badger

Quantum entanglement, a perplexing phenomenon of quantum mechanics that Albert Einstein once referred to as “spooky action at a distance,” could be even spookier than Einstein perceived.

Physicists at the University of Washington and Stony Brook University in New York believe the phenomenon might be intrinsically linked with wormholes, hypothetical features of space-time that in popular science fiction can provide a much-faster-than-light shortcut from one part of the universe to another.

But here’s the catch: One couldn’t actually travel, or even communicate, through these wormholes, said Andreas Karch, a UW physics professor.

Quantum entanglement occurs when a pair or a group of particles interact in ways that dictate that each particle’s behavior is relative to the behavior of the others. In a pair of entangled particles, if one particle is observed to have a specific spin, for example, the other particle observed at the same time will have the opposite spin.

The “spooky” part is that, as past research has confirmed, the relationship holds true no matter how far apart the particles are – across the room or across several galaxies. If the behavior of one particle changes, the behavior of both entangled particles changes simultaneously, no matter how far away they are.

Recent research indicated that the characteristics of a wormhole are the same as if two black holes were entangled, then pulled apart. Even if the black holes were on opposite sides of the universe, the wormhole would connect them.

Black holes, which can be as small as a single atom or many times larger than the sun, exist throughout the universe, but their gravitational pull is so strong that not even light can escape from them.

If two black holes were entangled, Karch said, a person outside the opening of one would not be able to see or communicate with someone just outside the opening of the other.

“The way you can communicate with each other is if you jump into your black hole, then the other person must jump into his black hole, and the interior world would be the same,” he said.

The work demonstrates an equivalence between quantum mechanics, which deals with physical phenomena at very tiny scales, and classical geometry – “two different mathematical machineries to go after the same physical process,” Karch said. The result is a tool scientists can use to develop broader understanding of entangled quantum systems.

“We’ve just followed well-established rules people have known for 15 years and asked ourselves, ‘What is the consequence of quantum entanglement?’”

Karch is a co-author of a paper describing the research, published in November in Physical Review Letters. Kristan Jensen of Stony Brook, a coauthor, did the work while at the University of Victoria, Canada. Funding came from the U.S. Department of Energy and the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada.

For more information, contact Karch at 206-543-8591 or akarch@uw.edu

Alan Stonebraker/American Physical Society

This illustration demonstrates a wormhole connecting two black holes.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Technical; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: quantumphysics; space; stringtheory; wormhole
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The “spooky” part is that, as past research has confirmed, the relationship holds true no matter how far apart the particles are – across the room or across several galaxies. If the behavior of one particle changes, the behavior of both entangled particles changes simultaneously, no matter how far away they are.

The perfect communications method............

1 posted on 12/04/2013 8:21:44 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv; KevinDavis

Space Ping!.................


2 posted on 12/04/2013 8:22:12 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger
RE :”But here’s the catch: One couldn’t actually travel, or even communicate, through these wormholes, said Andreas Karch, a UW physics professor.”

Can we send some chimps through it and see if they come back being able to speak and communicate like on Planet of Apes?

Maybe they will build a Spaceship to come back in and give us the cure to HIV.

3 posted on 12/04/2013 8:25:06 AM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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To: Red Badger
the behavior of both entangled particles changes simultaneously, no matter how far away they are.

Apparently they really aren't 'far away' at all.

4 posted on 12/04/2013 8:25:34 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Red Badger

If two black holes were entangled, Karch said, a person outside the opening of one would not be able to see or communicate with someone just outside the opening of the other.

Wow!...truth is stranger than fiction!


5 posted on 12/04/2013 8:27:25 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Red Badger

“The way you can communicate with each other is if you jump into your black hole, then the other person must jump into his black hole, and the interior world would be the same,” he said.

Jeez Louise!


6 posted on 12/04/2013 8:28:59 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Red Badger

Or.... proof that with an almost infinite amount of particles in the Universe, it is possible to find particles that have ‘mirrored’ behavior. One particle doesn’t ‘change’ because the other does. Unless this is just the way that our Universe maintains a balance.


7 posted on 12/04/2013 8:33:00 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: Red Badger

“This illustration demonstrates a wormhole connecting two black holes.”

It looks a lot like a telephone. That is spooky.

Maybe Alexander G. Bell is stuck in space/time and hanging out w/David Bowman.


8 posted on 12/04/2013 8:36:57 AM PST by fruser1
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To: Red Badger

Yup, communications is what I think when I think of spooky action at a distance.

It would certainly make things easier for deep space communications.


9 posted on 12/04/2013 8:40:05 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: UCANSEE2
It's not as obvious when you are dealing with the particle level. But when you back up and look at the big picture, one set of particles are evil....
10 posted on 12/04/2013 8:40:43 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I’d say: You go first.................


11 posted on 12/04/2013 8:43:58 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: cripplecreek

...or on earth communications.

Imagine, if you will, two perfectly matched ‘crystals’ set apart by thousands of miles, say one in the US and the other in Timbuktu. Whatever happens to one, the other will react the same. If you can get a data sequence to apply to one then the other will ‘receive’ that same data......................


12 posted on 12/04/2013 8:46:38 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger

Yeah!...Sounds like a quick way to oblivion.


13 posted on 12/04/2013 8:47:17 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: UCANSEE2

There is one theory that ALL particles of the universe are connected in some way, no matter the distance...............


14 posted on 12/04/2013 8:48:21 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Maybe aliens are trying to communicate with us, but we just don’t have the technology to understand how to do it yet.

Imagine a cellphone in the ancient Roman times. They would have no idea how to use it or what to do with it................


15 posted on 12/04/2013 8:50:17 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Red Badger

I was thinking how much further advanced alien societies are if they have already mastered this for communication or travel. It would make governments want to keep it secret for sure. It would go way beyond any influence that might have on anything.


16 posted on 12/04/2013 8:53:15 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: BenLurkin
Apparently they really aren't 'far away' at all.

If the entangled particles are traveling at the speed of light (photons), time and distance doesn't exists for them in their reference frame, they're still in contact with each other.

They appear separate when *viewed* from our 3 spacial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension reference frame.

Has to be a dimensional (lacking time and distance)/reference frame (viewed from) thing to me.

If entangled particles exist in a 2-D, 1-D or point reference frame, then "Spooky action at a distance" is possible.

Just my way less than 2 cents worth.

17 posted on 12/04/2013 8:55:02 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun

No time or distance dimension...


18 posted on 12/04/2013 8:58:16 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Red Badger
But here’s the catch: One couldn’t actually travel, or even communicate, through these wormholes, said Andreas Karch, a UW physics professor.

You can on an Obamaphone!

19 posted on 12/04/2013 9:01:28 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

20 posted on 12/04/2013 9:04:37 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: fruser1

First thing I thought of was “Have a Nice Day (in whatever part of the universe you may be)!” That picture would make a great t-shirt for geeks.


21 posted on 12/04/2013 9:05:47 AM PST by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
"Spooky action at a distance" can't happen with the laws of physics in our reference frame (3 Spatial, 1 Temporal dimensions), drop off the time and distance influence on entangled particles and it can happen.
No need to warp/fold space in on itself.

Simplest solution to the problem.

22 posted on 12/04/2013 9:09:42 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Red Badger; cripplecreek
It is currently believed that superluminal communication is NOT allowed to happen via "spooky action at a distance". (Yes, neither of you were saying that, but that's one of the first things that entanglement tempts us with.)

Regarding "at or slower than speed of light communication", like for reliable low-energy deep space or high-speed submarine communication, unfortunately the current understanding is that NO communication can be performed by shared quantum states. Supposedly the situation is like having two radio receivers - neither transmits.

Check here for more info.

I'm not a theoretical physicist, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night. (Well, actually I didn't do that, either.)

23 posted on 12/04/2013 9:12:55 AM PST by Yossarian
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To: Red Badger

Only if you want to communicate a random bit-string. (Which is very useful as a key-agreement protocol for encrypting communication over more normal channels, which alas are limited to light-speed.)


24 posted on 12/04/2013 9:14:45 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Red Badger

It’s true, and unless the Roman version of Verizon existed, no towers to carry the signal.

Now, an electrical generator that ran on hybrid fuels would have been an interesting game changer.

There is evidence that the principles of electricity were understood to some extent prior to the Roman age.


25 posted on 12/04/2013 9:17:00 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: BenLurkin
It's not just across space, particles can also be entangled across time, both past and future, and there seems to be no limit on the number of particles that can be entangled together. We know how to tune particles together by starting them out in the same time and place, however it may be possible to tune in a time and place without ever having been there before. When we physically travel from point A to point B we are really doing a type of space tuning at the expense of time, but there are probably other ways to go about the transformation.

The electric and magnetic components of an electromagnetic field are possibly just paired forms of time and space.

26 posted on 12/04/2013 9:18:38 AM PST by Reeses
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

“The way you can communicate with each other is if you jump into your black hole, then the other person must jump into his black hole, and the interior world would be the same,” he said.

Jeez Louise!


Yeah, how do you get back out?


27 posted on 12/04/2013 9:20:32 AM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: DannyTN

I believe since about 1990 I have somehow been transferred to the goatee Spock universe.

Anyone know the way back?


28 posted on 12/04/2013 9:21:17 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: lonevoice

Fascinating!


29 posted on 12/04/2013 9:21:40 AM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: DannyTN

30 posted on 12/04/2013 9:23:32 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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To: Red Badger

“The perfect communications method.”

Controlling the spin of one, would Make the other a receiver?

,,,-—,,,


31 posted on 12/04/2013 9:25:20 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Red Badger

Life is a tubewormhole,, I see..

Strange, the exit is the entrance and the lobby only has one door.

Interesting, separated by galactic distances.


32 posted on 12/04/2013 9:25:50 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Red Badger

‘Spooky action’ builds a wormhole between ‘entangled’ particles is to an actual working Stargate as DeVinci’s flight wings are to the SR-71?


33 posted on 12/04/2013 9:26:45 AM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Red Badger

‘What is the consequence of quantum entanglement?’”

A question best left to divorce attorneys.


34 posted on 12/04/2013 9:27:37 AM PST by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Red Badger

Two entangled particles are communicating when something causes a change to one. I suspect that visitors from other star systems use such a system to communicate with home world. It would explain why we have yet to detect any electromagnetic signaling between same.


35 posted on 12/04/2013 9:28:38 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Red Badger

Not really, because FTL communication is still impossible using quantum entanglement.


36 posted on 12/04/2013 9:32:59 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: The_Reader_David; Yossarian
Let's say you could change the direction of spin of an atom's electron. According to the article, the 'mate' atom's electron would spin in the opposite direction, automatically.

[In a pair of entangled particles, if one particle is observed to have a specific spin, for example, the other particle observed at the same time will have the opposite spin. ]

That is a definite form of communication, 1/0. All you would have to do is 'modulate' the spin of one particle, then detect that opposite spin in the other particle. That opens up whole new possibilities in encrypted communications that is not possible to break........

37 posted on 12/04/2013 9:33:10 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Boogieman

This does not break the FTL rules of the universe, because nothing is traveling FTL...............


38 posted on 12/04/2013 9:34:41 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: RinaseaofDs

IIRC, the Baghdad batteries pre-date the Roman Empire.


39 posted on 12/04/2013 9:35:18 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: UCANSEE2

“Or.... proof that with an almost infinite amount of particles in the Universe, it is possible to find particles that have ‘mirrored’ behavior.”

No, they actually create pairs of entangled particles in experiments, and then observe this behavior. They are not just taking one particle and searching for another in an analogous state.


40 posted on 12/04/2013 9:35:20 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

and vice versa..............


41 posted on 12/04/2013 9:35:57 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: The Cajun

I’ve come at a similar idea for different reasons.

I’m thinking that there could be a different universe entangled with ours, and it is intimately involved with not only this sort of phenomenon, but with what we know as spiritual things.

Among other possibilities that fascinate me, it would make the literal 6-day biblical creation explainable in principle, while retaining the complete validity of observational science as we know it in this mortal coil. The $64,000 question is: what frame of reference? That of the universe we’re observing now, or the other universe?

Some people don’t care for the spiritual, which is acknowledged, but that doesn’t mean there is no spiritual. It just means it gets factored out of those people’s explicit thoughts. If our observational science can’t quantify it, it doesn’t matter, goes the reasoning.


42 posted on 12/04/2013 9:35:59 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Red Badger

Doesn’t work for communication. Information can’t be transmitted faster than the speed of light, even if you try to do it with entangled particles.


43 posted on 12/04/2013 9:36:47 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Information can’t be transmitted faster than the speed of light,

Obviously you are not married...............

44 posted on 12/04/2013 9:38:19 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Boogieman

Is that what the theoreticians have concluded? Or is the jury still out on it? If someone can entangle two particles then get them even on opposite sides of the globe, some experimentation would tell the story.


45 posted on 12/04/2013 9:39:01 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Red Badger

Tell-a-woman?


46 posted on 12/04/2013 9:39:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Red Badger

Yes, you are correct. Nothing is traveling FTL, and that includes the information you would like to transmit through the entangled particles. They have tried it, and it doesn’t work. You need to transmit additional bits of information through traditional methods in order to get any usable information out of the entangled particles. Thus, any message you transmit this way still travels at the speed of light.


47 posted on 12/04/2013 9:39:39 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Wildbill22
"I believe since about 1990 I have somehow been transferred to the goatee Spock universe."

I suspect the CERN large hydron collider is reponsible. They fooled with forces they didn't understand. Now we're all stuck in bizarro world.

48 posted on 12/04/2013 9:40:55 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Boogieman

Nonsense. The same would have been asserted regarding on-off binary messaging. When two entangled particles react, as in some change in one instantly changes the other, THAT IS COMMUNICATION.


49 posted on 12/04/2013 9:41:41 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They’ve already done experiments like that (though not that far apart). You just can’t get usable information out of such a system without transmitting additional information by traditional, slower than light methods. So, the whole message ends up traveling at subluminal speeds.


50 posted on 12/04/2013 9:41:48 AM PST by Boogieman
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