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Virginia colleges take average out-of-state over perfect residents
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Posted on 12/03/2013 6:23:53 AM PST by Gopher Broke

WASHINGTON, November 30, 2013 — It occurs every fall, like clockwork. As a new round of anxious high school seniors apply to Virginia schools with exceptional GPA’s, abundant extracurricular activities and many honors to their name, and shockingly receive a letter of rejection, a new group of parents ask, “Who exactly is getting into Virginia public schools?”

For many years now, Virginia lawmakers have debated the issue of public schools in the commonwealth accepting students with lower qualifications from students coming from other states who will pay up to three times the tuition as a Virginia resident.

Some legislators have proposed raising out of state tuition rates believing that it could limit the number of out of state applicants, while others prefer the idea of capping the number of out of state residents a public school is allowed to accept.

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TOPICS: US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: college; highereducation; uva; va
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1 posted on 12/03/2013 6:23:53 AM PST by Gopher Broke
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I recalled that the College of William and Mary had a hard ceiling on how many out-of-staters they could accept back in the 80s. That school and UVa are considered attractive enough to draw a lot of applications.


2 posted on 12/03/2013 6:25:43 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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students coming from other states who will pay up to three times the tuition as a Virginia resident.

Nothing more need said for explanation.

3 posted on 12/03/2013 6:26:55 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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Who? FOREIGNERS that are willing to pay full out-of-state tuition while they are here learning our system and the ways to destroy it. That’s who.


4 posted on 12/03/2013 6:27:29 AM PST by Gaffer
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Liberals compose the vast majority of sheep-dents, having little or no knowledge of the physical sciences, and therefore never having to cope with mother nature at her finest.

A school must lower their academic standards in order to accept the politically desirable percentage of sheep-dents.

Ergo....


5 posted on 12/03/2013 6:27:53 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Gopher Broke

This happens in every state. even in California. I believe it’s a conspiracy to stimulate the economies and increase students loans and debt.


6 posted on 12/03/2013 6:33:11 AM PST by realcleanguy
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To: Gopher Broke

VA also does a good job of “tracking” it’s students into the different tiers of it’s university system. Letting all the top performers get into UVA results in a cascading effect where the lower tiers of schools Tech/W&M then Mason, Madison and so on are denied their “fair share” of higher performing students.


7 posted on 12/03/2013 6:34:10 AM PST by tanknetter
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I have two nieces in VA, one is a freshman at UVa, and with her grades and SAT scores they couldn't keep her out. The other, with just a little bit lower gpa and SAT score went out of state because she wasn't accepted to her state choices. Funny thing is her school in another state gave her in-state tuition for that state (South Carolina) because of her excellent stats.
8 posted on 12/03/2013 6:38:37 AM PST by MacMattico
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You are right. Out of state tuition is a scam. Someone should sue them over Equal treatment laws.


9 posted on 12/03/2013 6:49:03 AM PST by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: Gopher Broke

They can’t break even on the in-state tuition, so they bring in out of state students to pay three times as much.

Sounds like the in-state tuition is way too low, doesn’t it?


10 posted on 12/03/2013 6:49:15 AM PST by babble-on
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I hear avg. GPA to get in UVA is 3.75 with 4.0’s being rejected. Lotsa UVA grads are arrogant about being grads....more so than grads of W&M.

BUT, there is one way where you are guaranteed admission - and we have a daughter taking that route who should start there next fall: get an AA degree from any Virginia Community College taking required courses and getting a decent GPA.

Trouble is, we’re already a VA Tech family - and will always be pulling for the humble Hokies many who are smart red-necks.......


11 posted on 12/03/2013 6:49:37 AM PST by Arlis
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One of the causes of middle class decline — gullible parents who pay a premium for prestige and name when their kids could learn just as much using lower cost alternatives. Sure, the name may buy their kids a better first job; but competence soon begins to prevail in the real world of work, and eventually employers will no longer pay a premium for the prestige.


12 posted on 12/03/2013 6:56:25 AM PST by Socon-Econ ( is no model of USA-style democracy)
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This is not new and not unique to Virginia. Private colleges do the same. Other state schools do the same.

There is too much hoopla over getting into the ‘school of your choice’. 1)Not everyone should go to college (in fact too many do now and never finish). 2) In the big scheme of things where you went to college means very little. 3) Just what we need a state government deciding who can and cannot attend a university.


13 posted on 12/03/2013 6:58:38 AM PST by Nifster
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My son got early admission into Virginia Tech a few weeks ago. If you live in the same county as the university, your chances of getting in go way up.


14 posted on 12/03/2013 7:01:25 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Arlis

Ironically, my son applied to my alma mater, Appalachian State. His GPA is higher in NC than Va because NC weights honors classes.
But VT will be 4,000 cheaper than App State so I don’t think I will get to be an AppyPappy.


15 posted on 12/03/2013 7:04:13 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: arthurus

“..students coming from other states who will pay up to three times the tuition as a Virginia resident...”

That should make them a “for profit” corporation and subject to all the taxes any business pays.


16 posted on 12/03/2013 7:07:37 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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1)Not everyone should go to college (in fact too many do now and never finish).

And for the ones that do finish, there are more people with degrees than jobs that require them.

17 posted on 12/03/2013 7:07:46 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Gopher Broke

UVA is above and beyond good and competitive.

But it at least used to be that in-state state students were both better and worse, on average, than their out-of-state peers.

The out-of-staters had to reach a higher threshold to get in, but most who opted to attend were at their ‘safeties’, since they had failed to get in to more competitive schools.

The in-staters on the other hand included both top students from parents who couldn’t afford private schools and those who barely met the standard.


18 posted on 12/03/2013 7:12:39 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Moonman62

good add on….


19 posted on 12/03/2013 7:14:26 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Arlis

“...get an AA degree from any Virginia Community College taking required courses and getting a decent GPA.”

Very true...
At one little Va. CC I went to, the Biology teacher was a Medical Radiologist who graduated Summa Cum Laude - not an easy degree,
and the Calculus teacher taught Organic Chemistry as well - and he was always everyone’s favorite teacher.
Outstanding quality of teaching, lower price = great deal.


20 posted on 12/03/2013 7:27:37 AM PST by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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