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Czechs to sell up to 28 old fighter jets to U.S. company
Reuters ^ | Nov 29, 2013

Posted on 12/02/2013 11:45:25 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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To: AppyPappy

A business at our local airfield in Marana, AZ is converting A-4’s into the two seat version and selling them -

http://goo.gl/maps/1Fl3J

http://www.globalaviationresource.com/reports/2010/ta4j.php


21 posted on 12/02/2013 12:41:06 PM PST by az_gila
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To: az_gila
A neat picture of the Marana two-seat A-4 landing at AVQ with a bunch of defunct Beech Starships in the background.

It does not appear to have active ejection seats.

22 posted on 12/02/2013 12:45:56 PM PST by az_gila
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The demilled versions can be bought and licensed as “Experimental.” WWII war-birds such as the P-51 Mustang are getting scarce to buy so Eastern Block jets are the next big thing for the flying enthusiast who has the money to fly these hotties. One can see personal jets and great planes such as this at the EAA Oshkosh AirVenture, July 28-August 3, 2014.


23 posted on 12/02/2013 12:53:33 PM PST by RicocheT (Where neither their property nor their honor is touched, most men live content, Niccolo Machiavelli)
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To: dfwgator

I’ll take one with that loadout.

Nothing like neighborhood air superiority.


24 posted on 12/02/2013 12:54:20 PM PST by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: Noumenon

Yeah, now I bet those neighbors will return my tools a lot sooner now.


25 posted on 12/02/2013 1:00:02 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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To: Azeem
You should see what these guys fly.
26 posted on 12/02/2013 1:28:53 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Until something goes wrong. Then what do you do?

I guess I'd have to rely on my 14000 hrs in all types of aircraft... then there always that little yellow ring that you can pull for the ride of your life (Did that twice also) (;^)

27 posted on 12/02/2013 1:36:02 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: dfwgator

LOL. Yep. Works best in rural areas where homesteads are more spread out. Minimizes collateral damage to adjacent neighbors’ structures, equipment and livestock.


28 posted on 12/02/2013 1:36:51 PM PST by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Per the FAA:

“Demilitarization of Former Military Aircraft

Former military aircraft should be demilitarized prior to application for experimental airworthiness certificates. It is not possible to define what the final configuration of these aircraft will be following this demilitarization. Because the demilitarization process most likely will involve a change to the aircraft configuration, FAA representatives will not consider an application for airworthiness certification unless demilitarization has been completed.

It is the policy of the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) that surplus U.S. military property designated as arms, ammunition, implements of war, and other military items will be demilitarized to the extent necessary to preclude the unauthorized use of these military items.

This DOD policy mandates that tactical, fighter, and bomber aircraft will be demilitarized to the extent that will render the aircraft not airworthy. However, the DOD does release a limited number of tactical, fighter, and bomber aircraft for operation in R&D programs.

This policy is not applicable to military trainer, observation, or liaison aircraft.

NOTE: This does not mean that all other U.S. surplus military aircraft should have been rendered not airworthy. For example, some U.S. military aircraft that were sold to other countries may be available for public sale. These aircraft are subject to the normal import requirements.

Former military aircraft imported from any other country require an import permit issued by the Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF). This permit is granted by the ATF using ATF Form 6, Application and Permit for Importation of Firearms, Ammunition, and Implements of War.

Aircraft Equipped with Ejection Seats, Ballistic Parachutes, or Jettisonable Stores

Former military aircraft with experimental airworthiness certificates for the purpose(s) of R&D, exhibition, or air racing, may be eligible to operate with functional ejection seats. Only aircraft certificated for the purpose of R&D may be eligible to operate with functional jettisonable external fuel tanks or stores. The following requirements must be met in order to have these systems operational:

- The applicant must provide objective evidence that the airport manager of the airport where the aircraft is based has been notified regarding both the presence of explosive devices in these systems and the planned operation of an experimental aircraft from that airport.

- Jettisonable external fuel tank(s) or stores systems must be maintained in accordance with the manufacturer’s procedures and inspected in accordance with the provisions of the FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) approved inspection program for the particular aircraft. The FAA will verify that there is a record entry indicating current serviceability of the jettison system(s).

- Ejection seat systems must be maintained in accordance with the manufacturer’s procedures and inspected in accordance with the provisions of the FSDO approved inspection program for the particular aircraft. The FAA will verify that there is a record entry indicating current serviceability of the ejection system, including the status of any dated shelf-life items.

- The applicant must have provisions for securing the aircraft to prevent inadvertent operation of the jettison and/or ejection systems whenever the aircraft is parked.

- The applicant must have provisions that provide for clear marking and identification of all explosive devices used in ejection seats, ballistic parachutes, and jettisonable systems. Aircraft markings should be applied externally and indicate that the aircraft is equipped with explosive devices.”

29 posted on 12/02/2013 1:38:46 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"Apparently they are more common..."

This type aircraft has been in use in the US for quite some time. There is even a jet class in air racing now.

Other models in use include the L-29 Delfin, L-39, L-59 and TS-11 Iskra.

30 posted on 12/02/2013 1:40:28 PM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I want one. To put in the garage next to my Ferrari. When I get a Ferrari.


31 posted on 12/02/2013 1:42:04 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Albatross!!!!

These have been sold into the civilian market for years. There was an episode with the CEO of Chrysler or GM flying one of these that helped talk down a GA pilot with a MAYDAY condition at an auto proving ground around Detroit.

That was back in the late 1990s. These have been in civilian hands here for decades.


32 posted on 12/02/2013 1:45:18 PM PST by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: Bartholomew Roberts

Bob Lutz.


33 posted on 12/02/2013 1:46:37 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: nascarnation

Thank you! Too busy to do the search but not too busy to comment!


34 posted on 12/02/2013 1:49:05 PM PST by Bartholomew Roberts
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To: dfwgator

Interesting crop dusters......


35 posted on 12/02/2013 1:53:50 PM PST by Average Al
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To: az_gila

“It does not appear to have active ejection seats.”

It’s a trainer. What could possibly go wrong? :)


36 posted on 12/02/2013 2:33:22 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: az_gila
Yes it does. Looks like ESCAPAC 3-C, common in the TA-4J. Flew those in VA-43, 1970-1972.
37 posted on 12/02/2013 3:15:23 PM PST by a6intruder (downtown with big bombs, 24/7, rain or shine, day or night)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Looks like a single seat L39. The L39s have been racing at Reno for years.


38 posted on 12/02/2013 3:26:36 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend
L39 - Race 25 - "Violated"


39 posted on 12/02/2013 3:28:30 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Czechs to sell up to 28 old fighter jets to U.S. company,

Do they accept Czechs? BWAHAHAHAHAHA.....Get it, "Czechs?".......Hahahaha, I kill me.

40 posted on 12/02/2013 3:30:06 PM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp. Go Michigan State!)
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