Posted on 11/27/2013 6:49:46 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
“NO immigration status to the US ever for this ingrate.”
Look who is Stuck on Stupid ! (that’s your tagline, I believe)
Elian was a pawn back then just as he is a pawn now.
You obviously have no idea what it means to live in a totalitarian state.
You’d say the same words if a gun was pointed to your head.
Did you read this? http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/elian/cousin.htm
You totally missed the point in regard to my Holocaust reference. My point was that there were back then “Natural Law” and “Fathers’ Rights” activists - conservatives even like Steve Largent - who would make the point that the child belongs to the father or parents regardless of the consequences or situation.
So if you take that viewpoint to the extreme then yes, they would argue that children should be with their parents as the head for the gas chamber.
A parent who would demand his child return to a Communist/Nazi hellhole is no parent looking out his kid’s best interest.
One article from the Washington Times where the cousin who was keeping him CLAIMS the father made veiled references indicating he wanted Elian to stay in the U.S. is your proof? Really?
If I ever truly believed that my son would be better off in a foreign country with relatives, than with me, I would come right out and say it and face whatever consequences it would bring from my government.
Elian’s father had plenty of opportunity to say he wanted Elian to stay in the U.S., but consistently (at least in public) that he wanted him home.
There is ZERO evidence that Elian’s father wanted him to stay here and a great deal of evidence that he wanted him sent home to him.
I would say that, yes, if Jewish parents during the Holocaust wanted their children returned home and put at great risk of death in concentration camps, it would be their right, though I doubt any would make that demand if they knew how bad their situation was. Also, from a practical standpoint there would be no way of making this happen once WWII had started.
Brainwashed. I still have hope, however, that he can resurrect some fond memories of his time with his loving cousins in Miami.
>>>A parent who would demand his child return to a Communist/Nazi hellhole is no parent looking out his kid’s best interest.<<<
Comparing a Cuban parent circa 2000 to a Jewish parent in Nazi occupied territory circa 1940 is comparing apples to oranges.
The Jewish parent would know that his child faced almost certain, horrible death if he was sent home.
The Cuban child would have less freedom in Cuba, but would not be sent to a gas chamber. Plus the parent, who knew nothing else but Castro and Communism would likely not even comprehend, the difference in freedom.
By your reasoning we should send Marines into Cuba to kidnap as many Cuban children as we can, to take them away from their “unfit” parents and give them better lives with strangers or relatives they never met before, here.
Besides that, the way this nation is heading, by the time Elian is 30 America might be just as Communist and no more free than Cuba.
You recall wrong. His natural father NEVER had custody of him, never sent child support, never paid any attention to him whatsoever.
He was so young. Now the damage is done, but with God, all things are possible and God works in mysterious ways.
I’m being told repeatedly by hysterics on this thread that the father and the son both are lying on behalf of the Communists because they would be killed or imprisoned otherwise.
Either it is a Communist hellhole or it isn’t. Either the father knowingly subjected his son to be a propaganda tool or he did so as a useful idiot.
Mecca will be destroyed, but not by the hand of man....................
Especially for him. He’s very high profile—if anyone has to say Cuba is a worker’s paradise, it is him.
Elian was brought to America by his mother. He arrived on shore and was taken into custody by his extended family.
Bill Clinton and Janet Reno sent scary gun goons into the house to forcibly seize Elian and send him back to Cuba immediately.
How many mothers leave Mexico, enter as illegal immigrants, and the US does nothing to “send back them” (Mexico's president's own phrase) even if papa is still stuck in Mexico?
>>>You recall wrong. His natural father NEVER had custody of him, never sent child support, never paid any attention to him whatsoever<<
Source, please?
If you were born in Saudi Arabia to a muslim father and your Christan mother brought you to the West, then sent back, would you be so quick to tow the Saudi line that Mohammed is your prophet, your model, and Jesus was merely a man?
Or would you stand up for what you believed?
FRee Republic. Many, many references and published reports from Elian’s family both in Cuba and in Miami.
Elian’s plight was a top topic for months here (until he was illegally deported) and every detail is committed to memory, except the URLs. It actually prompted me to travel from Wisconsin with a protest sign to march up and down in front of the White House on a Sat. morning. That was quite a statement from me at my rather advanced age. That gut wrenching picture of Elian being held at GUNPOINT was on my placard and the exhortation “Impeach Reno” as well.
The Elian incident inflamed the Cuban Community and directly led to George W. Bush’s victory over Al Gore in the recount in Florida, as there were many from the Cuban Community, and others, who STOPPED the tabulators from taking the ballot count behind closed doors where they could fudge the count.
>>>There is no law to “rescue” children from Cuba (or even from floats adrift between Cuba and Florida or other Gulf states).
Elian was brought to America by his mother. He arrived on shore and was taken into custody by his extended family.<<<
U.S. Law gave Cubans who made it to shore the RIGHT to seek asylum. It didn’t make them property of the U.S. government.
If a Cuban fishing boat full of Castro loyalists shipwrecks in Florida, would they all be forced to become U.S. Citizens against their will?
Elian was too young to seek legally asylum for himself or even understand the ramifications. That desision belonged to his surviving parent.
If Elian’s mother had survived and sought asylum for the 2 of them, a truly controversial and compelling custody battle likely would have taken place. The fact that she died, made the outcome a forgone conclusion.
He had one surviving parent, that parent wanted him, cased closed. If not for the politics it would have been one of the shortest and simplest cutody cases in history.
Honestly, if you don’t believe that a fit parent’s right to his child outweighs political concerns and any government’s right to decide that the child would be “better off” elsewhere, then you are more Statist than you think and think more like a Marist Cuban than an American.
Who should have decided what was “best” for Elian? You? The U.S. government? No, his only living parent decides that, for better or worse.
House slaves were still slaves.
He and his father are under the control of monsters and say what they are told. Sending the young man back to be a slave was vile and yet you support it.
To whom does a child belong? If you believe the U.S. government can decide to seize children from “slaves” (a big exaggeration) against their parent’s will and place them wherever they want than you are as bad a Statist and any Cuban or Soviet Communist ever was.
Even if his father was truly a slave, if it was the father’s desire that the son grow up in slavery with him, rather than with strangers abroad, it is the father’s choice, not mine, yours or the U.S. government’s.
If the United States was the type of nation that would force a child to stay here, against the clear wishes of his only surviving and fit parent, he’d be no better off here than in Cuba, but at least he’d have his father. A nation that has no respect for parental rights is no “freer” than any other nation. Thankfully, the USA is not such a nation...at least not yet.
The mother died doing what was best for him. SHE made the decision.
Papa stayed behind.
If mama had been divorced and remarried, and stepfather adopted the boy, papa wouldn’t get the boy back if mama suddenly kicked the bucket.
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