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Perfect Candidate excuse will cost GOP Elections in 2014
The AMERICAN THINKER ^ | November 27, 2013 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 11/27/2013 6:10:40 AM PST by Moseley

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To: Moseley; All
I know that Biden is a gaffe-a-minute machine, and so far it hasn't hindered him in winning elections. There are other doozies to cite from Biden, like the time he referred to FDR going on national TV to calm the nation in the wake of the great stock market crash which ushered in the Great Depression. (There are two problems with that: Herbert Hoover was president at the time and television hadn't yet progressed beyond a laboratory experiment.)

As long as you mentioning gaffes, how about Obama's, like visiting all 57 states (This could be interpreted as a Freudian slip, as he was thinking of the 57 Islamic states who have an alliance at the United Nations.) or even yesterday's like claiming he could tell from viewing faces which people he saw were not native born Americans. Yet Obama hasn't been harmed in his political career, just like Biden.

The key is that there is an obvious double standard; one for Democrat lefties, the other for Republicans, as to what you can say and when. The Democrat's gaffe will be ignored by the lefty MSM, while the Republican's no matter how minor in the general scheme of things, will be made into a MSM feeding frenzy.

If the GOP were 1% as effective as the Democrats, they would have pounced on that opening and defended their own candidate on the grounds that Akin was only repeating what doctors had told him.

There are a number of Republican doctors in Congress and were at that time as well. They (or at least a subset of them) could have gotten together with Akin - also a House member at the time - and did a press conference with him to clarify his remarks and show support for him. But I guess they thought they would be getting into too much heat, especially if they themselves were running for re-election at the time.

61 posted on 11/27/2013 6:07:17 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: Moseley; All
Then Romney made that comment about the 43% being too dependent on the government to ever vote Republican.

That's no gaffe at all; it's pretty darn close to the truth. The problem was a lack of security at that fund-raising event, which allowed a 'Rat spy to enter the room and record it. The MSM did the rest.

62 posted on 11/27/2013 6:11:54 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

You have got to be kidding. Plus I get so sick and tired of people putting the blame on others. That is so liberal. The candidate is always to blame. She was pathetic and would not have won with millions of help. Once that stupid witch video came out that she stupidly made, the election was over.


63 posted on 11/27/2013 9:05:35 PM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: DoodleDawg

bump

I do not expect perfect, but I think we expect BETTER


64 posted on 11/27/2013 9:12:13 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: al_c

The GOPe leaders will find a way to lose in 2014 if they can, you know they want to


65 posted on 11/27/2013 9:12:46 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

66 posted on 11/28/2013 5:11:59 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: ScottinVA; Diamond; Moseley; antidisestablishment; justiceseeker93; Impy
Thank you for pinging me to this thread, justiceseeker93.

17 posted on 11/27/2013 8:50:17 AM by ScottinVA: “Then the GOP needs to avoid nominating gaffe-prone buffoons like Todd Akin, Christine O'Donnell, Richard Mourdock and Sharron Angle.”

I live in Missouri. I voted for Akin in both the primary and the general election. I followed the Akin-McCaskill campaign, and Akin’s collapse, with a lot of horror.

I understand Impy’s wish that Akin would have stepped aside for another candidate, but we need to deal with the reality that senior Republican officials would have named the replacement candidate, and it is far from certain the replacement would have been a solid conservative.

Akin made a really, really stupid comment. He knows that. He's admitted it. And he also knows that Democrats defend their own when they make stupid comments, but Republicans eat their own.

But it is not fair to say he is a “gaffe-prone buffoon.”

Unfortunately, one **REALLY** stupid comment on a hot-button issue like abortion, because it is a centerpiece of the social conservative agenda on which Akin campaigned, caused major problems. Obama is getting similar problems today because there is simply no excuse for the Obamacare website malfunctions — when you make something a centerpiece of your political agenda, you need to get it right. PERIOD.

Akin knew a question about abortion in cases of rape was coming. Any conservative Christian in politics knows that. Not to have a medically-vetted answer in advance was foolish and frankly, I don't know how it possibly happened.

(The proper answer, in my opinion, is something like this: “We don't have the death penalty in America for the guilty rapist, even in horrible cases of multiple rapes with forcible violence. So why should we have a death penalty for babies? Adoption may be the answer in some cases of rape, and also supporting the mothers who want to keep their babies, but not killing innocent victims.”)

We have medically verifiable proof that babies can and often do happen as a result of rape. Akin, with his military background, the military background of his family, his service on the House Armed Services Committee, and his personal interest in military history, certainly should know of the large number of babies conceived as a result of invading armies raping conquered women. What the Russians did as they invaded Eastern Europe and Germany during World War II was horrific, and it showed with crystal clear evidence the difference between how Americans soldiers treated conquered enemies in Western Europe and West Germany and how the Russian Communists acted in their theaters of operation.

What's the lesson from this?

Certainly we ought not to be nominating gaffe-prone candidates. People sometimes get away with things at the state and local level due to lack of media scrutiny that they cannot and will not get away with once they hit the national media buzzsaw of a US Senate race or a major race for a state governorship or for a major race for the US House.

But Akin was a serving House member with years of prior service in the legislature and in Congress. That wasn't the issue. Being gaffe-prone was not the problem.

The problem was that he knew the question was coming and didn't have a well-thought-out answer in advance.

I simply do not know how that could have happened, but it did.

And it destroyed him.

67 posted on 11/28/2013 6:57:23 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: ScottinVA; Diamond; Moseley; antidisestablishment; justiceseeker93; Impy
23 posted on 11/27/2013 8:56:00 AM by ScottinVA: “It's great to nominate people who don't have a lot of political background, but with that comes a dearth of political experience, in that some don't know when to STFU about hot-button issues. Akin and Mourdock deep-sixed not only their own campaigns with unforced errors, but IMO killed Berg's in ND and Thompson's in WI.”

I think I agree with your main point, but Akin had many years of experience in the state legislature and in Congress before he ran for the Senate.

Experience counts. We would not hire someone without experience for a position with lots of responsibility. Conservatives who think “time in the chair” doesn't count are making a major mistake.

68 posted on 11/28/2013 7:01:10 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Moseley; antidisestablishment; ScottinVA; Diamond; justiceseeker93; Impy
27 posted on 11/27/2013 9:04:45 AM by Moseley: “Todd Akin should have been elected. The GOP stabbed him in the back. Yes, he said ONE — COUNT THEM, ONE, AS IN ONE — dumb thing. Democrats would have closed ranks around a Democrat version of Todd Akin, fought back, and won the seat. The issue never would have gotten traction because the Democrats would have pounced immediately, moved it off the front page, and kept it from ever becoming a big issue.”

There's a lot of truth in that statement.

69 posted on 11/28/2013 7:03:23 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Moseley
I don't want to let the Akin issue derail a more important question.

You are absolutely spot-on when you say that campaigns are a footrace in which every individual step counts, not a ballistic missile in which the trajectory established at launch is virtually the only thing that counts.

You also are absolutely right that conservatives, while good at the “big picture” of getting our conservative views right, too often are not very good at the fundamentals of strategy and campaign planning.

As conservatives, we know in our business lives that time in the chair counts. We know little decisions have big consequences. We know long-term planning is important, because we usually are in a marathon, not a sprint. We know short-term pain is needed for long-term gain.

So why do we have such a terrible time applying those principles of business life to politics?

I don't have a good answer, but we'd better get an answer or we're going to lose, and lose badly, in upcoming elections.

70 posted on 11/28/2013 7:19:58 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
You also are absolutely right that conservatives, while good at the “big picture” of getting our conservative views right, too often are not very good at the fundamentals of strategy and campaign planning.

A person will never be good at something that they don't believe is important. As long as Republicans don't think campaigning day to day is important, they won't be any good at it.
71 posted on 11/28/2013 8:39:50 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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To: justiceseeker93
"Then Romney made that comment about the 43% being too dependent on the government to ever vote Republican."

That's no gaffe at all; it's pretty darn close to the truth.


But actually that illustrates the problem... in fact, rather perfectly.

To you and me, how is Romney's analysis a gaffe?

Yet it was treated in the news media drumbeat, day after day, every hour on the hour, as a disqualifying horrible thing to say.

The actual substance of Romney's comment is not bad at all.

However, the news media attacks -- and the GOP's failure to effectively deal with such attacks -- turned a harmless, truthful comment in the public consciousness into some horror.

There are many analysts who believe that Mitt Romney lost in part because of his 43% comment.

Many analysts say that Romney lost independents and many other voters who were so insulted by the 43% comment.

It isn't the actual comment that is the problem, because it is neither controversial nor untrue nor especially upsetting.

It was how the comment was treated in the public discussion that was damaging -- NOT the comment itself.
72 posted on 11/28/2013 8:48:01 AM PST by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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“Democrats are developing GOTV systems fit for the 22nd Century. Republicans and the tea party are using systems fit for the 1700’s.”

I’ve been saying this for years - we can’t be so reliant on low-turnout elections. So long as we keep on this insane course of trying to make voting harder instead of campaigning to as many people as possible, we will continue to be losers.

I don’t fear a large turnout. We have the better solutions, ones which will win elections if we bother to do the hard work of getting the message to the entire electorate. We just have to stop talking to ourselves.


73 posted on 11/28/2013 3:39:48 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Impy
Oh come on, don’t defend that twit Akin. It’s a fantasy the he would have won if only the evil party bosses rallied around him. Complete nonsense excuse-making.

The seat was lost when he said that stupid retarded thing and refused to drop out in favor of a candidate who could win!! Selfish foolish bastard. The party did the right thing in urging him to withdraw which was the only remaining chance at victory.

Just because a guy is a conservative doesn’t mean he can’t also be a twit.


Bingo. I'm tired of all the excuse-making. Liberals are supposed to be the ones living in fantasyland.
74 posted on 11/28/2013 3:43:11 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: justiceseeker93
You and Todd Aiken are both correct! It doesn't even have to be a rape, any kind of severe emotional/physical shock can cause a woman's body to flush out! Aiken just said it badly and then never came back with more information on the subject. It was unfortunate that he brought it up at all but he was not wrong!
75 posted on 11/28/2013 3:51:19 PM PST by Ditter
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Many analysts say that Romney lost independents and many other voters who were so insulted by the 43% comment.

It isn't the actual comment that is the problem, because it is neither controversial nor untrue nor especially upsetting.

It was how the comment was treated in the public discussion that was damaging -- NOT the comment itself

Speaking of independents, they were, according to exit polls, went for Romney by somewhere around 8 to 10 points. If accurate, that number is pretty much inconsistent with Romney losing the national popular vote by 3 to 4 points. (There wasn't all that much of an excess of 'Rats over Republicans to compensate for the strong Romney showing among indies.) This constitutes one of quite a number of statistical anomalies in the national popular vote totals, which, taken together, indicate a very good chance that there were various types of fraud afoot both in the actual voting and in the vote counting.

As to Romney's comment, recall what I said earlier: there was a breach of security at the fund raising event where he delivered those remarks. Attendance should have been limited to people friendly to the candidate, and media should have been kept out. Certainly no leftist reporter for Mother Jones should have been able to get into the event. If not for the faulty security, this 43% remark would have gone completely unnoticed by the enemy and we would not even be talking about it now.

76 posted on 11/28/2013 5:54:41 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: highball; Red Steel; patriot08; firebrand; Mosely; GreatOne; David; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; LucyT; ..
I don’t fear a large turnout.

Really? Any turnout artificially swelled by such illegal tactics as - for example - ineligible people (including aliens) voting and paid hacks voting multiple times (aided and abetted by polls open for days and even weeks, so-called "early voting") spells disaster for the GOP, for conservatives in the GOP, and for the country as a whole.

There is urgency here, more so than many appreciate. Republicans have to act in any way possible to reduce 'Rat fraud and cheating in the election procedure, or else 'Rats will rule perpetually in a one party totalitarian state.

77 posted on 11/28/2013 6:36:18 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

We need our own paid hacks, perhaps? But what if two paid hacks both vote on behalf of the same dead person? What would Solomon do?


78 posted on 11/28/2013 6:44:49 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: justiceseeker93

The evidence is slim to none that what you suggest is actually taking place in any meaningful fashion. I know that’s not the PC thing to say, but it’s the truth.

Instead of refining our message for the people who need it, we return again and again to this farcical boogeyman. It is a convenient excuse to avoid the real issue, which is that we have failed to make our case (and, worse yet, continue to fail to make our case) to a sizeable percentage of the American public.

But so long as we have built-in excuses, we’ll never have to change. That’s bad for us, and it’s bad for the country. Far better that we admit uncomfortable truths, and start laying the ground to winning elections again, than pretend we’ve secretly won them all along.


79 posted on 11/28/2013 8:17:18 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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Vote out the RINOs in 2014!!!


80 posted on 11/28/2013 8:18:11 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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