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Growing Use of Civil Forfeiture Creates Nightmares for Small Business Owners
Townhall.com ^ | November 18, 2013 | Matthew Needham

Posted on 11/18/2013 5:50:47 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
Civil forfeiture as it exists today has no place in the American legal system, where citizens are innocent until proven guilty and granted due process to prove their innocence.

Great piece but this isn't entirely correct. In our system, the state must prove guilt, rather than the accused proving innocence. But this case is important to small business owners everywhere and I hope they prevail.

41 posted on 11/18/2013 8:16:28 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: cuban leaf

“The other dirty little secret about this law is that when it was passed, $10,000 was a LOT of money. It isn’t any more.”

And through the cost of living ruse you get paid more and more but it buys less and less.


42 posted on 11/18/2013 8:30:16 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Not when it comes to civil forfeiture. The defendant must prove innocence, more specifically, that is his assets were not gained through illegal behavior. No criminal charges (the kind where the State must prove guilt) even need to be filed. It’s a tidy system.


43 posted on 11/18/2013 8:30:23 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wonder Warthog

Ya wanna another laugh? If you consistenly deposit amounts just under 10K to avoid the reporting, the Feds will hit you with “structuring” charges.


44 posted on 11/18/2013 8:32:55 AM PST by Wolfie
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45 posted on 11/18/2013 8:34:31 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
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46 posted on 11/18/2013 8:41:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: yldstrk

In essence Oabmacare for anyone who purchases it is actually catastrophic insurance.

The High Deductibles will not help anyone who seeks preventive medicine, they will have to pay for it.

Only those who are given free insurance through Medicare will be insured for preventive medicine and have no deductibles.

Obamacare is insurance for the people in this country who have been depending on society to feed them , house them, and baby sit them for generations, with the rest of us paying for it.

Obamacare is for the poor and the useless, with the Middle Class paying the bill. It is insurance for the typical Obama voter. With those in the Middle Class who voted for it, being too stupid to understand that until they get hit broadside with that wad of dung being tossed at them.


47 posted on 11/18/2013 8:54:11 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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To: Wolfie

Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard. Bureaucracies by nature usurp power and everything does not relate back to drugs.


48 posted on 11/18/2013 9:25:00 AM PST by MrEdd (iHeck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Wolfie
The time to complain about this was back in the 80's when they started doing this to people suspected of being involved with illegal drugs. Instead, we cheered. And now here we are.

Some of us weren't cheering. We saw exactly where this was heading and spoke out about it.

Congratulations to all you drug warriors out there, you've sure done a bang up job of destroying the Constitution!

 

49 posted on 11/18/2013 9:47:09 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: MrEdd
Bureaucracies by nature usurp power and everything does not relate back to drugs.

This one most certainly does.

50 posted on 11/18/2013 9:50:58 AM PST by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Gen.Blather
His best bet is to get one or both of his senators on his side.

That would be Debbie Stabenow or Carl Levin......take your pick.

I drive by that market all the time, it's a nice place in a nice location......

51 posted on 11/18/2013 9:53:36 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I don't call "911", in my house, I AM '911"....)
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To: Kaslin
Terry and Sandy make sure their revenues are deposited in their bank account before accumulating above $10,000.

And that bank is right across the street which makes even more sense for the family.......

52 posted on 11/18/2013 9:57:09 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (I don't call "911", in my house, I AM '911"....)
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To: Gen.Blather

Good for you


53 posted on 11/18/2013 10:01:12 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: yldstrk

Only a fool would sign up for 0bamacare


54 posted on 11/18/2013 10:07:43 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Not if it’s 0bama’s IRS, obvious


55 posted on 11/18/2013 10:12:35 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

I am a 51 year old small business owner. My wife is 49. We are both in good health, but my wife does take meds for high blood pressure.

We had individual health insurance. They have been “cancelled” with the option of being replaced with policies that have much higher deductibles, fewer benefits (that actually benefit us, since we don’t need maternity), and a much higher cost, just over double what we are paying now.

Our insurance agent is telling us that our only option is to go on “Obamacare.” There are currently only two major health insurance providers in the state and both are offering policies WAY out of our reach, but on the state exchange we will, with subsidies, be able to get insured for about 20% more than we are paying now.

These new policies have much higher deductibles and fewer benefits than our current policies, but at least we will be covered if anything catastrophic happens.

Do you know of a better option? I’d love to hear it.


56 posted on 11/18/2013 10:41:28 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Kaslin

I’m speaking theoretically, of course.


57 posted on 11/18/2013 10:48:47 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Carry_Okie
It is a direct result of the drug war.

I do not disagree with your conclusion. The actions engendered by the so-called "WOD" has manifested great harm to our 'free society.'

58 posted on 11/19/2013 2:39:15 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: cripplecreek; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

Thanks cripplecreek.


59 posted on 11/19/2013 6:57:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: Kaslin

I’m sure that many a folks that are against this are supportive of the foundational policies that have led to these abuses. I’d like to send out a big thank you to those that supported the elimination of private property rights via smoking bans on private property and a special shout out to President Richard Nixon, R, that brought us the war on drugs!

Progressivism must destroy private property.


60 posted on 11/20/2013 8:02:34 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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