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Why can't we admit we're scared of Islamism?
The (London) Spectator (hat tip-NRO) ^ | 11-9-13 | Nick Cohen

Posted on 11/10/2013 2:01:25 PM PST by jocon307

The annual [Passion for Freedom] exhibition is as close as London gets to underground art. That claim may surprise you. If you listen to artists, writers, academics and journalists, you would think that thousands of them operate in a radical underground. They say the right things. They ‘speak truth to power’, ‘transgress boundaries’, and all the rest of it. But you will have noticed that they are careful only to challenge religions that won’t hurt them (Christianity) and governments that won’t arrest them (democracies). The London-based Polish intellectuals who organise this artistic protest against abuses of human rights are braver. Passion for Freedom is not devoted to anti-Islamist art. But its curators are not frightened to show it either.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.co.uk ...


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An important piece I think. Read the whole thing as they say. Mark Steyn says the author is a leftie, but he's got a regular gig at The Spectator which is definitely on our side.

So much the better if he is a leftie, those are the folks who need to WAKE UP.

1 posted on 11/10/2013 2:01:25 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307

Yeah, even the pythons refuse to insult the muslims. On the other hand, Mr. Bean refuses to bend.

Shows you something.


2 posted on 11/10/2013 2:08:03 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/nicolae-hussein-obama/)
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To: jocon307

Send them home and you won’t have to worry about them or pay for them.


3 posted on 11/10/2013 2:08:26 PM PST by struggle
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To: jocon307

I’m not afraid of Islam. I’m afraid of being prevented from supporting and protecting our nation from it.


4 posted on 11/10/2013 2:09:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: jocon307

I’m not afraid of mooslums. I haven’t forgiven them for 9/11 and I despise them.


5 posted on 11/10/2013 2:15:22 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: jocon307

To understand Muslims and the threat they pose to Western Civilization, one must know what’s in the Koran, and this book will provide that knowledge:

The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran

An audio copy can be found at:

http://www.tantor.com/home-consumer.asp


6 posted on 11/10/2013 2:16:13 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DoughtyOne

7 posted on 11/10/2013 2:16:40 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin
When you get right down to it, only fearful cowards do things like that.

So why doesn't the media ask the question, "Why is Islam shaking in it's boots just thinking about the U. S.?"

Brave men stand up and duke it out. If you're tough you stand up and fight for what's right.

Islam is represented by a bunch of cowards who know damn well their arguments can't sustain under the light of day. Okay, back to stoning women, performing clitorectomies, and executing rape victims. Yep, Christianity is so vile... /s

8 posted on 11/10/2013 2:21:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: jocon307

I’m not scared of cockroaches either. Revulsion perhaps, fear -NEVER.


9 posted on 11/10/2013 2:22:37 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Excellence

srbfl


10 posted on 11/10/2013 2:29:44 PM PST by Excellence (All your database are belong to us.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Islam is represented by a bunch of cowards who know damn well their arguments can’t sustain under the light of day.”

Agreed!!! Punks waving their AK-47’s while wearing stocking masks or scarves to hide their faces.


11 posted on 11/10/2013 2:32:07 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: jocon307

I don’t think the US public cares anymore at this point about Islam taking over the US...they didn’t care to stand together and make sure some freak of nature didn’t get elected into office - not once, but twice....they don’t care about their educational standards that have fallen so low in public schools, the manners taught to young people, self-responsibility, this society - by and large - doesn’t care...sure, there are families that strive to become better - that have manners - responsibility for ones actions...but those are the minority and slowly they are being enveloped or finding other places to live and raise their families...the US is not what it used to be...and if 2014 doesn’t turn things around...there be no turning - but a straight dead on run to oblivion!


12 posted on 11/10/2013 2:39:40 PM PST by BCW (Salva reipublicae)
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To: jocon307

Islam is a political system wrapped in religious robes. It uses terror as the main recruiting tool and has since its inception. What’s there to be afraid of? This reminds me of the Planet of the Apes where you find intelligent beings hiding underground from the barbarians roaming the earth. The solution is simple. Grow a pair. Recognize that all cultures are not created equal and that a civilized man is not required to lower himself to keep from hurting the feelings of savages.


13 posted on 11/10/2013 2:42:34 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: jocon307

Islamists want to kill you because you’re not an Islamist. Although there is such a thing as irational fear, this is not one. Fear is a positive emotion when it leads you away from danger.


14 posted on 11/10/2013 2:43:17 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“Islamists want to kill you because you’re not an Islamist. Although there is such a thing as irrational fear, this is not one. Fear is a positive emotion when it leads you away from danger.”

Right.


15 posted on 11/10/2013 2:46:03 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: Frank_2001

YOU ARE AFRAID OF US AMERICA! DON'T YOU FORGET IT!

No, you are afraid of us. We don't cover our faces.
We don't have to carry AK-47s and RPG Launchers to make a statement.

OH YOU ARE TOO AFRAID. WE ARE NOT. WE ARE FREEDOM FIGHTERS!

What freedom would that be? The freedom to slaughter innocents?
The freedom to kill your own people at will?
The freedom to set off car bombs in the middle of market crowds?
The freedom to rape your women and stone them for it?
The freedom to mutilate your women's genitles?
The freedom to stone women who drive or go to school?

THAT IS SO UNFAIR, A SACRILIDGE AGAINST ISLAM!

Ah put a sock in it, pussies!

I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I?

Self Revealing...

16 posted on 11/10/2013 2:51:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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To: CelesteChristi

There is no Islam-ist. There is only Islam. Otherwise, the ‘moderates’ would decry them, which doesn’t happen.


17 posted on 11/10/2013 2:51:26 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: jocon307
The ones about whom Mr. Cohen writes are afraid of Islamic radicalism because they cannot fight back. They have placed the right to employ physical force in the hands of the state and trust the state to protect them. It will not.

And worse, for a citizen to use physical violence in self-protection is actively suppressed by the state lest the state lose its monopoly on force. The citizen ends up fighting Islamic terror and his own state simultaneously. That's a losing battle and everyone knows it. Better simply to ignore or deny it and hope that it goes away.

I'm not afraid of Islamic terror in the least. I have a gun. And they know it.

18 posted on 11/10/2013 2:53:46 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Frank_2001
Agreed!!! Punks waving their AK-47’s while wearing stocking masks or scarves to hide their faces

Reminds one of the KKK.

19 posted on 11/10/2013 2:56:18 PM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: combat_boots

You’re right. The term Islamist was used by the fellow I was responding to.

Islam is not worth close scrutiny. It’s not worth parsing. It is a cancer, and cancer’s only purpose is to consume the host. The only correct response to cancer is to remove it - cut it out.


20 posted on 11/10/2013 3:00:40 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: jocon307

Interesting Comments page.

Read the whole first batch. Considerable disagreement between moderate and extreme anti-Muslims. But not one “you horrible racists” comment.

Surprising.


21 posted on 11/10/2013 3:04:20 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Our government seems to accept Islam. If this empowers Islamists - if Islamists believe that I will accept, bow to, or otherwise cater to their BS because the POS-in-chief does...let them do so at their own risk.

I have a Line and unlike the POS-in-chief, will make no excuse when it has been crossed.

22 posted on 11/10/2013 3:13:00 PM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: jocon307
The London-based Polish intellectuals who organise this artistic protest against abuses of human rights are braver.

It was the brave people of Poland who cracked the USSR - started the shattering. They know what it's like to live under the boot...

23 posted on 11/10/2013 3:24:05 PM PST by GOPJ (Obama - "too arrogant to question his own bad judgement" ... Greenfield)
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To: CelesteChristi

If we generalize about Muslims then we’re unnecessarily making enemies of millions of very decent people who have historically been our good friends. Neutralize the moderate clerics and radical Islam would simply fade away (or, better yet, use intel resource to get them to destroy each other).


24 posted on 11/10/2013 3:28:36 PM PST by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: DoughtyOne
I’m not afraid of Islam. I’m afraid of being prevented from supporting and protecting our nation from it.

Generally speaking and in many ways, the government seems determined to prevent our exercising our right to self defense.

Logically speaking, then, who is the real enemy?

Just saying.

25 posted on 11/10/2013 3:31:43 PM PST by skeeter
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To: jocon307

There’s a difference between “being scared of”, and “being contemptuous of”.

It is a contest between civilization and barbarity. With the exception of some foolish leftists, does anyone in their right mind want what the barbarians are selling? They might as well be offering the lifestyle of feral pack dogs.

They choose to lord it over their own people with the continuing threat of violence and depravity. If given a choice, many under their sway would gladly leave.

And the great secret is that barbarity cannot coexist with civilization, because even the ignorant and unschooled can tell that civilization offers a far better life.

So the only option to assure the survival of barbarity is to utterly destroy civilization, to wipe out every bit of it. Eventually the civilized resist this, and can do so, so effectively that the barbarians are crushed.


26 posted on 11/10/2013 3:39:09 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: jocon307

I’m not the least bit afraid of islamism or islamonazis. The feeling I have is deep hatred mixed with eagerness to see them through a riflescope.


27 posted on 11/10/2013 3:39:19 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: skeeter

ALL moozlums want to kill you and your children because you are not a moozlum. Those who are not actively doing so are supporters of those who do. If nothing else, they look the other way. Do not kid yourself that there are “moderates”. The moderates will use a sharp knife to separate your head from your body, rather than a dull one.


28 posted on 11/10/2013 3:39:55 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

Yes, thats correct. And I resent the fact that I would have to think twice before attempting to defend myself from these fanatics, or at least am deprived of the means of self defense by my own government.


29 posted on 11/10/2013 3:42:48 PM PST by skeeter
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To: jocon307
The Left isn't afraid of Islam. They see it as tool to dismantled Western Civ, and to subjugate the West.
Then its off to the camps with ‘em.
30 posted on 11/10/2013 3:44:17 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: The Duke

Neville Chamberlain:
If we generalize about Germans then we’re unnecessarily making enemies of millions of very decent people who have historically been our good friends. Neutralize their leadership and National Socialism would simply fade away (or, better yet, use intel resource to get them to destroy each other).


31 posted on 11/10/2013 3:47:04 PM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: The Duke

The term Radical Islam is a misnomer. Traditional Islam is radical by nature, and traditional Islam will not fade away. Terror is at the core if the faith. Those that ignore the terror tenets are actually the radicals, and I don’t see them marching anywhere in the world for their brothers, sisters, fathers or mothers to stop the madness.

As for “making enemies”, we didn’t make an enemy - they did. And like a good Christian I’m willing to let them leave with their heads (which is more than they would do for me). I am not, however, willing to let them rule, which is what they intend to do.


32 posted on 11/10/2013 3:51:10 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: DoughtyOne

The Enemy Within is more of a danger and threat to Americans then any external force be it Russia, China, Mexico or Islam etc etc.

Obama, Kerry, Clinton, Rove et al have essentially made the USA like a computer with no anti-virus protection.

The “virus” allowed Benghazi, Obamacare, Iran/Nuclear, assassinated Navy Seal Team 6 members etc etc and being as we are focusing on Islam, also allows more and more terrorist cells to operate unchallenged in most of the Mosques in the USA.

Mosques=Terrorist Cells PERIOD!

No the danger isn’t from the sniveling coward woman/freedom hating Islamists but from Obama and Co. Which BTW includes most of the GOP.


33 posted on 11/10/2013 3:54:49 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: jocon307


34 posted on 11/10/2013 3:57:23 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: CelesteChristi

Is that a sarcastic right or a right right? Because they’ve failed to convince me that it’s just a few extremists. There is too much organized power in their hands to make them that.


35 posted on 11/10/2013 3:58:01 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Interesting Comments page.

Read the whole first batch. Considerable disagreement between moderate and extreme anti-Muslims. But not one “you horrible racists” comment.

Surprising.”

Neither Islam nor Muslim is a race.


36 posted on 11/10/2013 3:59:13 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: Telepathic Intruder

That’s right right - as in you’re absolutely right.


37 posted on 11/10/2013 4:14:38 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: CelesteChristi; combat_boots

By the way, I’ve been using the term “Islamist” to refer to advocates of Sharia Law, and therefore believe in forcing their religion upon others by the edge of a sword. I don’t know if it’s correct or not, but I picked it up by someone (famous) who said “I don’t hate Muslims, but I do hate Islamists”.


38 posted on 11/10/2013 4:21:20 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: max americana; DoughtyOne
I’m not afraid of Islam. I’m afraid of being prevented from supporting and protecting our nation from it.

I’m not afraid of mooslums. I haven’t forgiven them for 9/11 and I despise them.

Ditto to you both. I've fought them. They're cowards, easily crushed. You just have to be willing to crush them.

39 posted on 11/10/2013 4:27:15 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

I hear what you are saying.

But in the Islamic world, there is no term for ‘Islamist.’ They don’t recognize it, so we shouldn’t either, no matter how famous we are.


40 posted on 11/10/2013 4:38:09 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: CelesteChristi

Well, you and I know that. But in UK people who speak out against Islam are prosecuted under racial hate speech laws.

Possibly I should have been more clear. My experience is when there is an article of this type in a Brit newspaper, half the comments are of the “racism is the greatest possible crime, and anti-Muslim is racist” type. I found it surprising that this article didn’t seem to draw that response.


41 posted on 11/10/2013 4:42:36 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: combat_boots

And do I care what they do and do not recognize? I know I’m supposed to be “sensitive” to their beliefs while they are free to spit on mine.


42 posted on 11/10/2013 4:45:26 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

I understand.


43 posted on 11/10/2013 4:57:41 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: Sherman Logan

I see what you mean. I misunderstood. Thank you.


44 posted on 11/10/2013 4:58:33 PM PST by CelesteChristi
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Islam is a war plan.


45 posted on 11/10/2013 5:00:05 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sherman Logan

I’ll have to go back and read the comments, I didn’t notice them before.


46 posted on 11/10/2013 5:09:00 PM PST by jocon307
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To: DoughtyOne; max americana

“I’m not afraid of Islam.”

That’s the problem with sticking with the original headline.

The author is chiding the left (or maybe more the media mainstream) for their denial that they avoid “insulting” islam out of fear.


47 posted on 11/10/2013 5:20:29 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Little Ray
I felt the same way about Muslims until I hired a young man in Bangladesh who happened to be Muslim (and an amazingly skilled Oracle database administrator, BTW, which was quite an accomplishment).

One day it occurred to me that he might need a new laptop computer and I asked him what he wanted most .. his answer .. "Peace for all men". At that instant I could not longer generalize about Muslims.

And just today I was watching a TV program about how the nation of Turkey joined the modern world. There are millions of Muslims who simply are not radical, and I'll no more generalize about religion than I will about race - you just end up throwing out too many babies with the proverbial bath water.

48 posted on 11/10/2013 6:12:48 PM PST by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: DoughtyOne
I’m not afraid of Islam. I’m afraid of being prevented from supporting and protecting our nation from it.

Exactly!
49 posted on 11/10/2013 6:41:32 PM PST by Old Yeller (Obama: A dark spot in this country's history.)
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To: skeeter

Well..., that’s rather apparent isn’t it.


50 posted on 11/10/2013 7:19:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama, the Democrat Party, the Left in the U. S., have essentially become the 4th Reich.)
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