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After last month’s shopping frenzy, Louisiana governor looks to strip food stamps from abusers
FoxNews.com ^ | 11-7-2013 | FoxNews

Posted on 11/07/2013 12:08:04 PM PST by topher

The Louisiana governor's office said Wednesday night that it would strip food stamp benefits from anyone who took advantage of an EBT card malfunction that in some cases caused an all-out shopping frenzy in some stores across the state, The Advocate reported.

It is unclear how many recipients stand in line to lose benefits for a year, but more than 12,000 received an insufficient funds notice when the EBT card system was corrected on Oct.12, the report said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: foodstamps; fraud; jindal; louisiana
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Louisiana does not have the money to fund fraud.

It appears that these people will be made an example of.

Maybe when people receive initial food stamps, they should be told of the consequences.

This could have been easily viewed as felony fraud by those who stole the food.

Just getting benefits denied is not as bad as being thrown in jail for fraud/stealing

1 posted on 11/07/2013 12:08:05 PM PST by topher
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To: topher
The Morning Advocate article that the FoxNews Report is based on:

Jindal moves to strip food stamps from abusers


2 posted on 11/07/2013 12:12:31 PM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

“Just getting benefits denied is not as bad as being thrown in jail for fraud/stealing.”

I hope the stores go after them with theft charges instead of writing it off.


3 posted on 11/07/2013 12:18:54 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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>> to lose benefits for a year

Then what? They get benefits for years thereafter? Why?


4 posted on 11/07/2013 12:20:16 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: topher

From the report:

“A worker at a soup kitchen in Alexandria ... recalled feeling empathy when she saw the individuals, who otherwise could not afford it, stacking up on food.”

Pure evil.


5 posted on 11/07/2013 12:21:32 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: topher

“This could have been easily viewed as felony fraud by those who stole the food.”

IMHO, it would be very difficult to prove that charge in a courtroom.

If your Mom keeps the cookie jar on a top shelf and tells you to keep out of it, you know you’ll be punished if you put a chair on the counter top and climb up to raid the jar. However, if you find the jar conveniently located on a low table, with no one watching, and no prior warnings to keep away from it; you would probably be forgiven for assuming you could reach in and take a few cookies.


6 posted on 11/07/2013 12:22:22 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: topher

No guv, please give’m more food stamps or they’ll end up here in Texas.

You still have a bunch of your citizens who invaded TX during Katrina and still have not left.


7 posted on 11/07/2013 12:22:44 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: topher
There balance remains at zero until the deficit is made up.

That's how it's done.

8 posted on 11/07/2013 12:24:38 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: topher

Why did it take something like that to make the state take actions against those abusing the foodstamp program? Shouldn’t weeding out fraud and abuse by a priority from the very start?


9 posted on 11/07/2013 12:24:50 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: topher
Louisiana does not have the money to fund fraud.

Lack of funding is just a momentary speed-bump for profligate wasteful government.

10 posted on 11/07/2013 12:25:26 PM PST by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Gene Eric

Well I can tell you that here when someone is caught frauding tanf, food stamps, etc. if it is a smaller amount (not millions) they just hold a certain amount out of the frauded benefit every month until the amount is paid off. Kind of a payment system.
Their rationale is that you wouldn’t want the ‘CHILDREN’ to be without a place to live or food. Yes, I am dead serious.


11 posted on 11/07/2013 12:27:10 PM PST by sheana
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To: AMDG&BVMH
I believe this article implies that the State of Louisiana had to pay the balance.

So the citizens of Louisiana are currently stuck with the bill.

12 posted on 11/07/2013 12:27:19 PM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: 353FMG
Understood.

Maybe Texans should get one-way bus tickets for these poor families to New York City, Atlanta, Florida or some where else.

13 posted on 11/07/2013 12:28:36 PM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: 353FMG

Same here in Arizona. Who just gets dropped off somewhere and stays? Especially, when that somewhere is 120 degrees in the summer?


14 posted on 11/07/2013 12:29:04 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Junk Silver

In 1977 I watched news reports of the NYC Blackout where similar sentiments were uttered. “The looting is just letting long-deprived poor people get what they deserve” or somesuch.

This crap never changes.


15 posted on 11/07/2013 12:33:10 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Louisiana recently had to have a judge make someone who was Superintendent of a School System step down.

This was St. Landry Parish. The man (and his wife) - both African-Americans - had fraudulent grades made at Southern University (mostly African-American university).

Both the husband and wife were members of the school board.

The husband had to step down as head of the school board when the fraud was discovered.

But he still was a member of the school board until a judge forced him to step down.

This is a horrible example for young people -- especially African-Americans

16 posted on 11/07/2013 12:33:47 PM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Butts I B entitled. I’z gone’a goes and tells Obama and Holder ons ewe....


17 posted on 11/07/2013 12:36:00 PM PST by Farnsworth (Now playing in America: "Stupid is the new normal")
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To: topher

“Maybe Texans should get one-way bus tickets for these poor families to New York City, Atlanta, Florida or some where else.”

New York City just elected a mayor who promises to tax the rich to end inequality. Send those folks to NYC, where soon everyone will be equal to them.


18 posted on 11/07/2013 12:39:35 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: topher

Won’t happen. People will start screaming about starving babies and they’ll fold.

Wait for it.


19 posted on 11/07/2013 12:40:51 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Junk Silver

The worker at the soup kitchen derives her sense of self-righteousness from how she feels about the “needy”.


20 posted on 11/07/2013 12:40:59 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Junk Silver

“A worker at a soup kitchen in Alexandria ... recalled feeling empathy when she saw the individuals, who otherwise could not afford it, stacking up on food.””

How much of it ended up on the street, being sold out of car trunks?

OH WAIT...
Is that racist?


21 posted on 11/07/2013 12:42:22 PM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: topher

Practically speaking, he would be better off to just write this off. Any punishment will just cost more money.

Instead, he could use this as a launching pad to make improvements in the system that would be better for both Louisiana agriculture and the food stamp recipients as a group.

Agriculture is a difficult enterprise, and having a lean crop may actually be more profitable than an overabundant crop. Excess crops have been hurting American farmers since the early part of the 20th Century, and ways to reduce the excess often do them a world of good economically.

So what the state could do is purchase the excess crops, as a “bonus distribution” to those on food stamps. Stuff they would get for free in addition to what they get with their food stamps.

When president Reagan dumped excess government cheese, for example, it was not only of huge benefit to the cheese industry, but it *saved* the federal government hundreds of millions of dollars in storage costs. And it didn’t affect the retail price of cheese one dime. Oh, and lots of poor people got free cheese. What’s not to like?

Louisiana produces a lot of rice, sorghum, soybeans, corn, potatoes, tomatoes, peaches, strawberries and melons. And remember, this only applies to *excess* crops.

And in the Louisiana has been trying for years to come up with recipes for nutria, perhaps it is time that food stamp recipients learn to appreciate nutria chili, nutria jambalaya, smoked nutria and sausage gumbo, stuffed nutria hindquarters, and nutria stew.

Since they might know the name nutria, various recipes could be called by its other names, Ragondin and Coypu. Same difference, fewer nutria.


22 posted on 11/07/2013 12:49:39 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: topher

didn’t the stupid asses think THEIR NAMES ARE ON THE CARD!!!!!

Someone was going to find out how much they charged...duh!!!


23 posted on 11/07/2013 12:51:10 PM PST by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: Ronin

That’s a given. First thing I thought when I read the headline.


24 posted on 11/07/2013 12:51:14 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri

Yeah, just watch Holder come after the State of Louisiana because enforcing EBT limits violates “Disparate Impact” rules.

This attitude that these looters are just taking what they deserve after years of deprivation now permeates our entire culture.


25 posted on 11/07/2013 1:02:59 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Apparently more than food was purchased, I think any cases involving other than food would have a good chance of showing the individual knew what they were doing was wrong (if the suggestion a TV was purchase is substantiated - no sympathy).

These people were not little children, no matter how irresponsible they may be regarding providing for themselves. They knew or should have known about how much was available - the abandoned carts show many were clearly taking advantage.


26 posted on 11/07/2013 1:03:27 PM PST by LibertyOh
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To: Junk Silver
I was home sick the day the EBT cards were shut down. I spent a good portion of the day insulting them on Twitter. (oddly satisfying)

When I asked "Why, if they hated us so much, they didn't figure out a way to make their own way and not rely on the very people they hate"

I had several of them tell me I was going to buy their food and I owed it to them, deal with it.

27 posted on 11/07/2013 1:07:12 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: sheana

Agreed.

Governments launder generosity and charity. If the taxpayers were funding the accounts directly, there would be no room for abuse.


28 posted on 11/07/2013 1:11:59 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

Hope is for the church. Write them a letter saying you will not shop there anymore.


29 posted on 11/07/2013 1:18:13 PM PST by DubbleBlubble
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To: DubbleBlubble

“Write them a letter saying you will not shop there anymore.”

HA! Very good point! They won’t know I have been boycotting them for decades due to: putting local small town businesses out of business; being stuffed with Made in China stuff despite their initial USA emphasis; etc. Meaning Wal-Mart of course.

As far as they will know, their caving in to the thieving mobs is the reason! ; )


30 posted on 11/07/2013 1:23:29 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: riri

“I had several of them tell me I was going to buy their food and I owed it to them, deal with it. “

If it’s any consolation you were probably also paying for whatever device they were using to tweet along with the internet service.

So get back to work!


31 posted on 11/07/2013 1:27:08 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: topher

32 posted on 11/07/2013 1:28:02 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: topher

In my mind the abusers are guilty of writing bad checks. Perhaps they are guilty of overdrawing their accounts.

The amount due plus overdraft charge and interest can and should be taken from future benefits.

There is a strong precedent for the action. The Secretary of the Treasury overdrew his line by borrowing more than the legal borrowing ceiling. The overdraft was remedied immediately by drawing $300 billion to cover within hours of the ceiling being raised.


33 posted on 11/07/2013 1:30:55 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: Junk Silver; topher
Maybe Texans should get one-way bus tickets for these poor families to New York City, Atlanta, Florida or some where else.”

New York City just elected a mayor who promises to tax the rich to end inequality. Send those folks to NYC, where soon everyone will be equal to them.

I actually think it's a brilliant idea. Give them a free bus ticket and some money, provided they get on the bus. Tell them accepting the money makes them ineligible to ever get food stamps again in Texas (or whatever state is sending them.) Maybe make a coalition of states that go in together on this - where the people who take the "payoff" are not allowed back into any of the states in the coalition (well, they are allowed back in if they are going to work, but not allowed to ever accept any welfare again within those states.) Then cut off all acceptance of federal welfare funding in those states.

Send them to some liberal city like New York or San Franscico with a mayor who promises skittles and unicorns for everyone.

34 posted on 11/07/2013 1:31:25 PM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: Mr. K

Of course they knew. They just don’t care. They’ll say, “Well, what we did may or may not have been wrong, but you can’t cut our benefits because our kids are hungry NOW.

Then, if state is dumb enough to keep the pressure on, look for Sharpton and Jackson, et al., to show up and start banging the racism drum.

Anyone can write this script.


35 posted on 11/07/2013 1:35:27 PM PST by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: topher
It appears that these people will be made an example of.

I'm not holding my breath. Not falling for another politician saying he's going to stand up for what's right and two weeks later swears he never said such. And as someone else said, Louisianna can take back their Katrina trash that blew into Texas. I passed by some on the way to the store earlier and it just chaps my hide.

36 posted on 11/07/2013 1:44:05 PM PST by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: JoeProBono

Wow.. what a misleading picture of what is usually bought with food stamps.


37 posted on 11/07/2013 1:45:31 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: 353FMG

Welcoming Katrina folks to Texas was one of the first things that Perry did that pissed me off.


38 posted on 11/07/2013 6:13:14 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: topher
Florida does not want them.

Hows about they go to your house?

39 posted on 11/07/2013 7:07:48 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: Mr. K
Yeah, but they can say their card was sold or stolen!

No consequences for fraud.
The Democrat motto!

40 posted on 11/07/2013 7:11:19 PM PST by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Excess crops have been hurting American farmers since the early part of the 20th Century, and ways to reduce the excess often do them a world of good economically.

Um...no. What hurts farmers is government interference in the free market. When the government steps in and buys up the overproduced food in an attempt to keep prices artificially high, it encourages more overproduction by the farmers. Prices then continue to drop, resulting in yet more government interference.

The best way to discourage overproduction is to let farmers sink or swim with the market. If prices for a certain crop are too low, grow something else, or don't farm at all. This is how it's done for any other business...why should farming be any different?
41 posted on 11/08/2013 12:14:58 AM PST by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: sarasmom

there is video (store surveillance)


42 posted on 11/08/2013 4:55:53 AM PST by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: rottndog

Farming is different. Going way back, because of the high risk nature of farming, farmers tended to extreme collectivism. A good example is the far left Minnesota Farmer-Labor party, which is the Democrat party in that state, now called the Democratic-Farmer-Labor party.

As a rule of thumb, the best outcome for a given farmer would be to have a bumper crop on his land, and for every other farmer’s crops to die. This tends to mess up your head if you like your neighbors, which farmers tend to do.

But back to overproduction. During the Dust Bowl, when tens of thousands of farms were wiped out from Texas to the Canadian border, there was still overproduction in the unaffected farms, more than the country could tolerate. Then, at the start of the Great Depression, Americans were hit with severe *deflation*, which made the situation ridiculously worse.

A saying of the time was that you could buy a pound of hamburger for a nickel, but nobody had any nickels. There was nothing ironic about this, it stated a fact.

Again, outside the Dust Bowl region, farmers had abundant crops, that were worthless. Wheat was 25 cents a bushel, and corn was being burned for fuel. It cost more to transport to market than it was worth.

At the same time, Americans away from the farms were starving, both because food was not getting to market, and nobody could afford it if it did get to market.

For one of his first acts, FDR created the Federal Surplus Relief Corporation (FSRC), an utterly authoritarian agency. One of its first acts was to stabilize food prices by sending federal agents, backed by armed deputies, to farms all over the country, to seize and destroy surplus crops. Their first priority was to kill six million pigs from the decentralized pork industry.

Often they would go to a farm, destroy all its harvested crops, then tell the farmers they were now out of business as farmers, so to move to the city. Eventually they seized some crops, without paying for them, and sent them to city soup kitchens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Surplus_Relief_Corporation

To say that the FSRC was murderously hated is an understatement. It was merged into other New Deal agriculture organizations and ceased to exist, but since that time, US agriculture has effectively been in a national socialist model, that is insanely expensive, but radically different from typical capitalist models.

A transition back to a capitalist model would also be very traumatic to farmers, even to agribusiness corporations, as well as consumers, so would have to be done with a huge amount of planning and preparation, in a plan that would take decades to implement.


43 posted on 11/08/2013 5:17:00 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: topher

“...both African-Americans - had fraudulent grades made at Southern University (mostly African-American university). ...”

They were born in Africa? When did they immigrate here???

/sarc


44 posted on 11/08/2013 8:03:42 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: AMDG&BVMH

I did not correlate their rah-rah USA schtick with the Made In China reality. Great point. I don’t shop there anyway. Have you seen peopleofwalmart.com?


45 posted on 11/08/2013 8:40:06 AM PST by DubbleBlubble
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“...For one of his first acts, FDR created the Federal Surplus Relief Corporation (FSRC), an utterly authoritarian agency. One of its first acts was to stabilize food prices by sending federal agents, backed by armed deputies, to farms all over the country, to seize and destroy surplus crops. Their first priority was to kill six million pigs from the decentralized pork industry....”

Gee... almost kinda sorta like the Russian communists did to the Ukrainian Kulaks (farmers) in the 1920s...

nah... just coincidence...

But wait... it gets better.... none other than Henry A. Wallace, openly and radically Socialist, and FDR’s Vice President, was the FSRC’s Director.

Now, WHERE do you supposes a Good Socialist goes to get ideas on how to forcibly “collectivize” recalcitrant farmers???

Nah... again, only coincidence...

After all, I mean, these are DEMOCRATS, not communists, and as we ALL know, “democrats are for the little guy”...

uh huh..


46 posted on 11/08/2013 8:59:57 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
I had befriended Dr. Alveda King (niece of Martin Luther King, Jr) in the early 2000's. She preferred this term (African American) over black.

I use it for that reason.

47 posted on 11/08/2013 9:43:11 AM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher

Although I get what you’re saying, I never use it. It’s divisive, and intentionally so. Same with “Native” American... “Hispanic” American, etc., etc.

I’m a “no-hyphen” American.

The country has been intentionally split along color/racial lines, and using the language of the leftards just continues.

Not criticizing you, just pointing something out.


48 posted on 11/08/2013 10:34:44 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

“What we were doing in this country were some of
the things that were being done in Russia and even
some of the things that were being done under
Hitler in Germany. But we were doing them in an
orderly way.”
— President Franklin D. Roosevelt

“The United States Constitution is pre-modern,
cumbersome, and open to corruption. It prevents
the government from meeting the country’s needs
by enumerating rights that the government may
not infringe.” — President Woodrow Wilson


49 posted on 11/08/2013 10:41:36 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: NFHale
As long as you don't use the word colored

I don't disagree, but I don't think this needs more discussion...

In terms of the debate on the Washington Redskins, suppose Atlanta had a term, and it was initially called The Atlanta Slaves. Then, since slavery was over, they used the term, Blackskins.

The problem with Indian is that this reflects the mistake of Columbus - he did not discover a route to the Indies and India, but a route to a New World. Maybe it could have and should have been called North and South Columbia after Columbus.

Bobby Jindal is of Indian ancestry - his family came from India. There are other people in Louisiana that came from the Coctow tribe or other tribes.

Using the word Indian for both of these are confusing.

50 posted on 11/08/2013 11:03:35 AM PST by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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