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NO debt-limit increase. Default (if it comes to that) would be a GOOD thing.
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Posted on 10/12/2013 6:39:14 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst

First of all, nobody believes the government does not have enough money to pay down its debt. We would just have to stop doing things like feeding lazy losers.

But what if we DID default? What if there was a cash-flow problem that caused FedZilla to miss a bond payment or two? Well, that would be a GOOD thing for us small-government conservatives. FedZilla loses its credit rating and cannot BORROW anymore. What could be better? We should all be WISHING for that!


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KEYWORDS: debtlimit; fedzilla; ozero

1 posted on 10/12/2013 6:39:15 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

oh it will be much worse then a minor correction.


2 posted on 10/12/2013 6:47:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

You’re driving a Mercedes.
You go through a red light.
You get a $50 ticket
You drive home and sit in your driveway.
You remove the gun from your glovebox and blow your brains out.

Default happens when the guy in charge WANTS it to happen. The amount of money that would prevent default is small and it is on hand. Default is a choice. A bad choice.

It’s a choice you make ONLY if you hate this country and WANT to destroy it.


3 posted on 10/12/2013 6:51:39 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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To: driftdiver

If we stop borrowing and get SERIOUS about our debt, world markets will start to SOAR in no time. If we slash spending, job creators will start pouring out of the woodwork. Default would cause a short-term jolt, but lead to a NEW BIRTH of freedom and prosperity for everyone except the takers.


4 posted on 10/12/2013 6:53:55 PM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

If we default the markets will crash worldwide. The only thing holding up the worlds economy is confidence. It certainly isn’t fundamentals.


5 posted on 10/12/2013 7:01:44 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Which Obama does.


6 posted on 10/12/2013 7:02:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

“The only thing holding up the worlds economy is confidence.”

Excuse me, but why would us borrowing more than we could ever repay give anyone confidence?


7 posted on 10/12/2013 7:05:59 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: driftdiver

Shut it down. NO OBAMACARE FUNDING. Wipe out the rinos


8 posted on 10/12/2013 7:06:47 PM PDT by SADMILLIE (r)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
Not paying your bills is morally reprehensible.

The US borrowed the money and the US should pay the interest it owes.

What kind of conservative cheers for his country becoming a deadbeat and reneging on a contract?

9 posted on 10/12/2013 7:08:36 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: babygene

Because 99% of the worlds population doesn’t have the foggiest. All they know is that when they swipe their credit/debit card it works. The money people have confidence that the funny money they are printing will be honored. With a default the chinese economy will collapse along with the Russian and so on.

There’s no reason for a default except to crash the economy so it can be remade.


10 posted on 10/12/2013 7:10:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Default would be Obama’s choice as he can choose to pay who he wants with the tax revenue that comes in (when there is a shutdown). I am willing to let him choose default.


11 posted on 10/12/2013 7:12:28 PM PDT by impimp
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To: SADMILLIE

As Rush said, Obama’s approval rating is at 37% and the GOP still thinks its losing.


12 posted on 10/12/2013 7:14:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

” With a default the chinese economy will collapse along with the Russian and so on.”

That does not make sense... They have their $hit together more than we do at this point.


13 posted on 10/12/2013 7:18:59 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

The Chinese economy is a house of cards. Built on corruption, lies, and printed dollars. Dollar collapses and we stop spending, their economy disappears.


14 posted on 10/12/2013 7:21:23 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: wideawake

“What kind of conservative cheers for his country becoming a deadbeat and reneging on a contract?”

The government takes in 100 times more than it take to pay the interest. No reason to default...


15 posted on 10/12/2013 7:22:33 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: driftdiver

“The Chinese economy is a house of cards. Built on corruption, lies, and printed dollars. Dollar collapses and we stop spending, their economy disappears.”

Where did you read that? Some lib site?


16 posted on 10/12/2013 7:23:59 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

I dunno, is FR a lib site?


17 posted on 10/12/2013 7:25:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

18 posted on 10/12/2013 7:26:06 PM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

YEP ...2 WORDS GACF...

FAIR TAX!


19 posted on 10/12/2013 7:26:17 PM PDT by jimsin
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

If the limit is not raised default would purely be a deliberate move by the president to refuse to pay the interest due on the debt as the priority expense. There is quite enough monthly income to do that.


20 posted on 10/12/2013 7:27:13 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
First of all, nobody believes the government does not have enough money to pay down its debt. We would just have to stop doing things like feeding lazy losers.

Agree. If we default, it will be because we chose to pay the takers instead of our debt holders.

21 posted on 10/12/2013 7:28:44 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: driftdiver

The Chinese economy is no more a house of cards than we are.

Do you realize that our government borrowed $50k for every household in the U.S. this last year? Talk about a house of cards...


22 posted on 10/12/2013 7:30:25 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: driftdiver
'The ChineseUS economy is a house of cards. Built on corruption, lies, and printed dollars....'

There. All better.

23 posted on 10/12/2013 7:33:30 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: babygene

Our economy is a huge house of cards.

The Chinese economy is built on our house of cards.


24 posted on 10/12/2013 7:34:07 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Turn on AMC right now. Consider that the zombies are EBT cardholders. That is the “positive outcome” story.


25 posted on 10/12/2013 7:45:43 PM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: babygene

China is in worse shape than us. Who do you think makes all of the stuff we are not buying.

If the bond market collapses, several trillion of our bond dollars will be dumped on the market. Price goes down, effective rate goes up.

We pay the interest and”other” obligations, the spigot for a lot of other programs stop cold turkey. Look around, we don’t want to do that.

We need to turn this ship around. Running into the rocks is not a better option.


26 posted on 10/12/2013 7:50:08 PM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: Vermont Lt

“China is in worse shape than us. “

I don’t agree. China is use to having nothing and their people don’t share in their apparent growth anyway.

Here the people have been conditioned to depend on our system and it will be a bigger problem for us if it collapses.


27 posted on 10/12/2013 7:54:33 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

No, they don’t. They are in the position of a) needing our into terser payments and b) needing us to be very healthy consumers of their stuff or they fold.


28 posted on 10/12/2013 7:58:44 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: babygene

I agree with your second point. I respectfully disagree with your first. In the countryside you are correct. But the cities have a growing middle class. Not OUR style of middle class, but one of their own.


29 posted on 10/12/2013 8:07:07 PM PDT by Vermont Lt ( 1-800-318-2596, Mr President.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

We do indeed take in enough to make debt payments.

But we’re not taking in enough to pay Social Security AND Medicare AND military pay AND farm subsidies AND disaster relief ... AND ... AND ...

It’s all the AND payments that cause the problems.

I don’t like federal borrowing even a little bit. I’ve got to balance my checkbook and the feds should too. And in my humble opinion there is no reason to run a deficit in peacetime. None.

But run them we no. Some drastic budgeting is needed but the Washington Incompetence Corps simply isn’t up to the job. We need to fire every damn one of those crooked jerks and get somebody in there who has a spine and knows which end of a pencil to use while drawing up a budget.


30 posted on 10/12/2013 8:11:13 PM PDT by DNME (Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Not increasing the debt limit does not mean defaulting on US debt. We only default if Treasure chooses to default. This is because at this time incoming revenue is about 10 time the interest on the debt. Or so I am told.


31 posted on 10/12/2013 8:25:19 PM PDT by Revel
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

You clearly have no idea how complex global markets work.

Any default, any missed payment, is a disaster for this nation.

If I don’t see a deal by Tuesday, I am pulling the cash out of my bank and getting the gold out of my lockbox and heading for the hills. It will be that serious


32 posted on 10/12/2013 8:42:36 PM PDT by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: driftdiver

Might be a good time to demand China renegotiate the terms.


33 posted on 10/12/2013 8:51:49 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: DNME
And in my humble opinion there is no reason to run a deficit in peacetime. None.

I doubt the military who serve in the middle east think we are living in "peacetime." And considering the budget to continue our war on terror, this country is not at peace.

34 posted on 10/12/2013 9:09:43 PM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst
This whole thing about "default is nothing but a canard by the Left. Literally, its like a person who has a credit limit of $20,000 and he want to "raise his dept limit" to $21,000. He has an income that can make the payments and the interest, but he wants to spend more; that's what they want to do in DC! Raising the dept limit has nothing to do with going into default; unless Obama and the Democrats want to do so!
35 posted on 10/12/2013 10:23:00 PM PDT by celmak
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

Germany canceled it’s national debt and got away with it, why can’t we?


36 posted on 10/12/2013 10:35:16 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: wideawake

OUR bills? Or those illegally run up by FEDZILLA? “The country” is the collection of sovereign states. Fedzilla is the creation of 100+ years of communist influence. SHUT IT DOWN!


37 posted on 10/13/2013 9:17:59 AM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

This is a republic. Our leaders are elected by us. Their decisions are our decisions. Be an adult and acknowledge reality.


38 posted on 10/13/2013 12:20:29 PM PDT by wideawake
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