Posted on 09/30/2013 1:18:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I’m surprised they’d even offer. A little while ago, I tweeted out a question: Since there are surely more than 30 Republicans who’d vote for Reid’s clean CR, why doesn’t Pelosi bring a discharge petition forcing Boehner to hold a vote on it? That’s an unorthodox procedure, granted, but this is an unusual situation. When people inevitably complain that the minority caucus has usurped the power of the majority in the House, Pelosi could simply say that that’s what Republicans were trying to do in the Senate. Boehner would probably welcome it, frankly, since the result would be to avoid the shutdown while also absolving him of any personal responsibility for caving.
The answer to my question, as about 50 different people noted, is that Pelosi and the Democrats want a shutdown. Fair enough (although you may see the “discharge petition” strategy revived for the debt-ceiling fight). If they want a shutdown, though, why offer Boehner anything? Tell him to pass a bill at the spending levels Democrats prefer. No compromise. Take it or leave it. Instead:
House Democratic leaders say they will support a 6-week clean CR that includes the GOP's requested spending levels.
— Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) September 30, 2013
There was some unease among House Dems to pass a clean CR at sequestration levels. Now Dem leaders say they'll give in on that to pass it.
— Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) September 30, 2013
Locking in sequestration spending levels for the next, er, six weeks would let Boehner save a teeny tiny bit of face in caving. He’s not at that point yet — Plan C in the House, now that Reid’s killed the last House CR, is to demand a one-year delay to the individual mandate plus passage of Vitter’s amendment denying ObamaCare subsidies for Congress and staff — but the fact that the House GOP has now lowered its ask price three times suggests that we’re heading for a cave sooner rather than later. National Journal reports that House Republicans seemed split coming out of the caucus meeting this afternoon, with Don Young claiming that they don’t have the votes to do anything right now. To put it mildly:
Member txts from inside mtg: "this sux" I respond: "why?" Member doesn't respond
— Robert Costa (@robertcostaNRO) September 30, 2013
NJ claims that Plan C won’t be voted on in the House until 6 p.m. ET at the earliest. Does that mean a clean CR is shaping up as Plan D very late tonight, right before midnight? Nope, says Paul Ryan: There’s no way they’ll do that before the deadline. Maybe that’s the outline of a compromise within the GOP — force a shutdown for some predetermined period and then, if Democrats haven’t softened on ObamaCare by the end of it due to the public outcry, Boehner gets to float a clean CR at sequestration spending levels. That might get him a majority of Republicans; conservatives will still vote no, but if he follows the Hastert Rule, it might protect his own standing within the caucus. If, per the clip below, Charlie Dent is already talking openly about a clean CR, there must be a fair number of centrist GOPers who are already ready to cave.
The good-ish news this afternoon is that, per WaPo’s new poll, the public disapproves of how Obama, congressional Democrats, and congressional Republicans have handled this process. The GOP gets it the worst at 26/63 but across-the-board thumbs down are not the stuff of which lasting political defeats are made. Exit quotation from smilin’ Harry Reid, ever the diplomat: “If we can’t pass this, we’re only truly entering a banana republican mindset.”
Update: So that’s what Don Young meant when he said they don’t have the votes for anything.
Some conservative Republicans exit GOP meeting saying they won't vote for Boehner's new CR proposal bc it doesn't go far enough on O-Care
— Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) September 30, 2013
Peter King (R-NY) tells me he will vote NO 2nite on #GOP plan, says there are 20 GOP NOs but "all prob won't follow through."
— Luke Russert (@LukeRussert) September 30, 2013
Some House conservatives won’t vote for Plan C (a one-year delay of the mandate plus the Vitter amendment) because it’s too weak compared to defunding. Some House centrists won’t vote for it because, I guess, they’re tired of playing games with hours to go before shutdown by passing bills that are clearly doomed in the Senate. Possible result: The new House CR might actually fail as righties and moderates join Democrats in voting no. What Boehner does after that embarrassment, with his own caucus having fallen apart, I have no idea.
NO!!!!!!!! The Purple Lipped Kenyan said there’d be no negotiations!!! Now hold him to it!!!
Dear Democrats, FU.
Dear Obadork, FU2.
Dear liberals, FU ‘till the second coming.
This is war, although we all know the Repulsicans have the cojones of a castrato.
Why doesn’t AllahPundit disclose who he is. He’s clearly a squish. He should be proud of that and disclose exactly which squish he is.
NO NO NO...NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Here’s an original thought for those spineless GOP hacks. Just tell Reid that you already passed your House bill and you are not entertaining any new ideas. Let it shut down for a few days and see if the Dems change their minds on negotiating. Jumping around from one idea to another is just ridiculous. And a road to cave in.
Right on! Call a press conference and say “We’ve sent 2 CRs to the senate. The senate needs to stop playing games and pass one of them because we won’t be sending anymore.”
We already have the damn sequester cuts! They lost that!
Do not fall for this.
Call Reid and his packs bullies! Tell Americans that Reid won’t talk, won’t negotiate, won’t compromise he just wants the House (far more representative of the people than Senate) to shut-up and do his bidding.
Selfish, bulldozing bullies who just want to cram this communist healthcare down our throats.
How nice of them to accept additional defense cuts.
The Kenyan said no negotiations so hold them to it.
What he always does when that happens.
You only have them if you can pass an actual appropriations bill that implements them.
The House democrats originally planned to kill the sequester, and the Senate democrats were going along with that. Then this whole Obamacare thing came up, and now the democrats have decided they’ll accept everything the republicans want, so long as they don’t have to defund Obamacare.
This is slightly better than last week, when the likely outcome was that Boehner would not give in, but enough republicans in the house would join the democrats, but to get the democrat votes, they’d throw in a lot more spending, and then the senate would pass it on a party-line vote.
HELL NO!!!!!!!!
SO the House says “We sent you two bills, pass one of them”.
The Senate says “We sent you back two CLEAN bills, that do nothing but continue already authorized spending for laws that are on the books.”
The media loves the democrats. Obama will back the democrats.
The government shuts down. Given your opinion of republicans, what do you think the likely outcome of a week of “shutdown”? Obama will sure that popular programs get killed. He will make sure conservative programs get killed, the military contractors get killed, anything that republicans support get killed.
He will ensure that every last bit of Obamacare is still funded, so the conservatives won’t even be able to claim “at least we stopped Obamacare”.
Now it is a week later. Do YOU think the republicans are going to feel like they are in a STRONGER position? Do you think the democrats are going to be offering MORE? or is it more likely that they will throw out all their offers, and insist on MORE SPENDING?
Some have said the constitution is not a suicide pact. Neither is principle. There is no principle in taking a strategy that ensures you will lose more of what you believe in.
NO... now FOAD dims!
MAKE THEM PUT SOMETHING ON THE TABLE.
Boehner caves within the next 24 hours. Anyone who doesn’t see it coming is fooling themselves.
Here’s the deal: Twenty years to life hard labor for the person calling himself Obama.
N-O. That spells “No” for you AA dhims.
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