Posted on 09/26/2013 2:38:26 PM PDT by thouworm
I just wrote about “And Now to Build a New Republican Party”. We just need to take back the party that conservatives started and have made flourish. The party of Reagan!
And Now to Build a New Republican Party
Unfortunately, Carl Rove, Mitch McConnell, Lamar Alexander, John McCain, Lindsay Graham and others (everyone knows who we are talking about) are becoming dinosaurs in the Republican Party. Not only are they dinosaurs, but they are albatrosses around the party’s neck. These pols would take the party down the path to oblivion since their vision is to be the center wing, not right wing, of the Democrat Party. We do not need to become more like the Democrat Party, but define our differences from them so that we the people have a clear choice in who and what to vote for. One reason the Democrats seem to get everything they want is that they stand together come hell or high water and do not destroy their own. We should remember Reagan. Never speak ill of another Republican. We all know that we are not just having to vie with Democrats, but the main stream media as well and more. It seems that between the Democrats and media, if they tell a lie long enough and often enough, the “sheeple” believe it to be true. Needless to say, no one in the media, including Fox News will or can always call them out on their lies. If you can point out to them their deceit and hypocrisy, they just change the subject and ignore the facts. Obamacare will destroy the economy of this country if not stopped. The time to stop it, and the only time to stop it is before it is implemented. We now have several good conservatives in Congress who are willing to stand on principle and fight for what is right for America and we the people. Even if those RHINOS do not like the strategy, they should have come up with a better one to actually stop Obamacare. Since they did not, they should at least help fight and defund Obamacare. Each and every Republican in the Congress, from research done by competent sources, ran on getting rid of Obamacare. Now is the time to do just that. Any vote for cloture on the House Continuing Resolution is a vote to FUND OBAMACARE!!! Don’t come back home and tell us that you voted to Defund Obamacare. We are not stupid. We understand the difference between Harry Reid needing 51 and 60 votes to add his amendment putting funding back in and passing it with 51 votes. At least try to make it more difficult on Red State Democrats. This is not the only issue facing our nation that is crucial to keeping us a free, capitalistic, republic. There are many votes that will require strong conservatives to stand up and actually fight, not go along with Democrats. It is better to have fought and lost then never to have fought at all. I am not great at history, but do believe that many skirmishes and battles have been fought and lost before the war was finally won. We are in a war right now for the very heart and soul of this great nation as it was founded. Now is the time to replace the “dinosaurs and albatrosses” with more true conservatives like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy, Tom Graves, Louie Gommert, Darrell Issa and Jason Chaffetz. It is time with the very next election cycle (and any RHINO senators at their next re-election) to begin to build a new, strong, conservative Republican Party where there is truly a clear choice in every election. -——Original Message-——
“That means traditional values—life...And it means freedom, but freedom that is governed by each individual’s moral sense of right and wrong.”
Fair enough position, but that’s not conservatism. Moral relitivity is a liberal/progressive position. Conservatives tend to believe that there are moral lines that should not be crossed within a certain range of freedom. May I ask some specifics to demonstrate the chasm between libertarian vs. conservative ideologies?
1) Should abortion be legal?
2) Should drugs be legal?
3) Should illegal immigration be legalized?
Libertarianism (the ideology) is generally for these things. Conservative ideology is generally not.
I agree on the economics, but pretty much disagree on everything else. The fact remains that most people don’t dicipline themselves or fail to adhere to any religious teachings even if you or I do. To me, abortion is murder plain and simple, not subject to a moral relativist arguement, and certainly not something conservatives can compromise on. Abortion is the most stark example, but there are other issues where libertarians and conservatives differ.
How would you reconsile these differences without asking me to compromise on them? And how far do you think libertarian-leaning people should have to compromise their morality to accomodate conservative ideology?
Well, over the years in FR, I think it’s pretty obvious that I’m pro-life, pro-family, pro-ten-commandments, etc., etc.
The thing is, it’s not enough to say that people should stick to traditions. You need enough people with a strong religion to reinforce those traditions. In the old days, you have people on the edges who didn’t believe in God; these days the people who run the country, the entertainment industry, and the schools don’t believe in God, and try to keep people from talking about it.
Western civilization was built on the ideas of Jerusalem, Athens, and Rome, as brought home to them through Christianity. Christianity formed the culture. And without a return of Christianity to the place it used to have in American culture, it’s hard to see how we can recover.
The good news is that this kind of problem has arisen before—in the 18th century in England and Europe, for example—but there have been Great Awakenings that returned religion to its proper place, and we can hope for another such experience now.
Yes, of course it’s wrong to kill innocent human beings, and scientifically a fetus is a living human being from the moment of conception. A small majority of Americans still believe that. But only a small majority, and not the ruling classes.
Should dangerous drugs be illegal. Yes, I think so. But regrettably current enforcement policies are mostly corrupt—designed to nail the small dealers and help preserve the power of the large cartels. I don’t think the solution is simply to legalize drugs, but rather to reform the government. But that’s an enormous task, unless we can bring back religion and morality to the center of the public square.
“The question, as it has been for the past 20 years or so, is whether conservatives and libertarians can unite in a single movement, behind single candidates. So far, the only time that has ever happened was with Ronald Reagan.”
I seem to remember that conservatives initially were pretty uniformly behind GWB.
I agree with the rest of what you said.
I don’t see that trend changing so far though.
FReepers have been known to do the same.
As I remember it, it wasn’t so much pro-Reagan as anti-Carter.
Remember that Anderson got 6% plus.
The horrible economy and weak foreign policy united people against ole Jimmuh.
The joke is that the economy in 2012 under Caliph Baraq was measurably worse, but the MSM (and the Federal Reserve) saved the day for him.
LOL...all kept thinking reading your post was...
The Republicans are a bunch of old white guys in suits!
I don’t disagree with what you said at all, it just had me thinking of the liberal complaint. And ya’ know in a conservative way they just may be right.
The old stuffy white guys in suits need to go.
I could go for Jim DeMint. I hope he decides to throw his hat in the ring.
I would certainly get behind DeMint but he hasn’t seemed to hint at throwing his hat in. DeMint would have been my pick before Cruz came onto the scene, I wish to heck he would have went for 2012.
“As I remember it, it wasn’t so much pro-Reagan as anti-Carter.
Remember that Anderson got 6% plus.
The horrible economy and weak foreign policy united people against ole Jimmuh.
The joke is that the economy in 2012 under Caliph Baraq was measurably worse, but the MSM (and the Federal Reserve) saved the day for him.”
That may have been true in 1980. But 1984 was all Reagan.
I really think it’s going to remain as it is. I hate that it seems that way but in a lot of ways we conservatives are our own worst enemy. As a group we tend to turn our guns on ourselves.
I also think the GOPe is glad that Ted Cruz has called them all out. I expect there to be a purging of Tea Party Repubs by the establishment. That’s why we’re seeing the pile on.
Ted Cruz should finish his term in the senate and then run for Governor of Texas. Spend the next decade putting together a really strong and deep base of conservative voters and then go after the WH.
Reagan was the anti-establishment candidate but he’d had decades to build his coalition and his creds.
Cruz could do worse than using Reagan as a “go by”.
I hope you’re correct.
I see the demographic trend as overwhelming us.
Every year 2.5 million (mostly white, majority R voting) people die off and are replaced by (mostly minority, heavily D voting) people.
“I hope you’re correct.
I see the demographic trend as overwhelming us.
Every year 2.5 million (mostly white, majority R voting) people die off and are replaced by (mostly minority, heavily D voting) people.”
I agree the demographics are against us. But I believe that there might be a chance for a conservative candidate to come across as a breath of fresh air. That’s not likely to happen for the next 8 years IMHO because the GWB years are still in everybodys memory.
There’s also the chance that no conservative ever wins any national election again, but that doesn’t mean they can’t foster influence and use that influence to shape policy.
One of the biggest concerns I have whenI read FR is how we seem to applaud the folks that throw the red meat, but the minute they deviate, even a bit, we turn on them.
I’ve been a Freeper a long time and I was a lurker since the late 90s. I remember when GWB was a hero here. I also remember when Freepers were solidly for Karl Rove, Fred Thompson, Bill OReilly, and most of the neocons and the list goes on and on.
I really expect that as soon as Cruz stops throwing the red meant and has to compromise, even just a little bit to move to the ball forward, a lot of people here will turn on him.
I think demographics are going to be a really high hurdle but the GOPe has time, numbers, and money. I think eventually the Tea Party candidates get steamrolled by that and by the fragmented nature of conservatism as much as demographics.
As long as our representatives’ present and future wealth depends depend on voting “correctly,” we have no control or influence over them. If a conservative rep votes according to the principles that got him elected he will never be worth any more than his salary. If he votes according to directions he will become a wealthy man and will still be a wealthy man even if he loses the next election. That is why we can elect 50 Tea Party people to Congress and no more than half a dozen are still conservatives an hour after they take their seats. No matter how good the good ones are you cannot beat those percentages.
Yeah, I kind of thought that he resigned his seat to position himself for a run. Maybe he was astute enough to see that it would have been too much of an uphill battle and he’d be damaged goods.
Or maybe he’s just had his fill of elected politics and wants to work on issues advocacy.
I'd call the 1980 election "Pro-Reagan".
Even if every single person who voted for John Anderson had voted for Jimmy Carter instead, Ronald Reagan would still have won both the popular and the Electoral vote.
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