Posted on 09/26/2013 2:38:26 PM PDT by thouworm
In the decades to come, historians may well look back on the partisan passage of Obamacare during President Obama’s first term and its disastrous implementation in the second as a Pyrrhic victory, the beginning of the end of the Progressive project to “fundamentally transform” the United States of America. Whether Senator Ted Cruz ultimately succeeds in his quest to defund Obamacare this time, his electrifying quasi-filibuster yesterday and today nevertheless marks a turning point in modern American political history — the day when conservatives turned their back on the collaborationist Republican Party and finally fought back.
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There’s a war on, and Conservatives will either beat the GOPe Democrat-Lite machine, or split and leave a shell of a middling useless party.
You know what? I don’t care HOW it turns out —I’m not voting for non-Tea Party candidates.
Democrats left Reagan, and the Republicrats left me.
I’m DONE with this fakers.
I don’t want to split from the repub party...
I want to take it OVER!
The question, as it has been for the past 20 years or so, is whether conservatives and libertarians can unite in a single movement, behind single candidates. So far, the only time that has ever happened was with Ronald Reagan.
If the fiscal, social, and religious conservatives cannot unite with those who value our liberty—and to me, all of these things add up to true conservatism—then those who abhor the current leadership will continue to split and divide and let the other guys win.
The Karl Roves of this world are very good at splitting what should be a conservative coalition. It remains to be seen if people can finally wake up and work together.
Finally!!
Someone has squarely stated why there is no significant changes in Congress when the Republicans gain control.
As long as leadership is based on seniority there can be no change. You cannot be a political lap dog for years and then, based on single November vote, turn into guard dogs.
“If the fiscal, social, and religious conservatives cannot unite with those who value our liberty...then those who abhor the current leadership will continue to split and divide and let the other guys win.”
It’s strange how it’s always conservatives that have to compromise. When do the “libertarians” compromise and unite with conservatives? Until than, no thanks.
Libertarians asking conservatives to compromise is the same as Rove asking the same. Besides, in terms of social issues, libertarians have more in common with Rove, the GOPe and Democrats.
The bad news--- my "affordable Care Act" Doesn't cover it.
Unless you are a member of Congress, of the Federal bureaucracy, large election donors, companies Obama likes or unions.
There is no turning point short of total economic collapse. There can be a slowing of progress but no turnaround. Medicare is still with us. Social Security is still with us. Nothing progressive gets repealed, ever.
I’ve mixed feelings. I have thought we could be no worse off if we split with the collaborators into a Third Party, but with Ted Cruz on the scene bearing with him his own larger than life risk and courage, we may have a thin chance to break out and make some gains after all.
The GOP wants us gone, so they can split the democrat party and attract the moderate democrats.
Evidently I phrased it wrong toward the end. I tried to indicate that we need true conservatism.
That means traditional values—life, family, marriage, and the rest of it. And it means freedom, but freedom that is governed by each individual’s moral sense of right and wrong. In the past, that has meant that you cannot have true freedom without religion to guide the conscience: in America’s case, mostly Christianity, and a little Judaism.
If people cannot discipline themselves, and do the right thing, then pretty soon it requires the government and the police to step in—which is pretty much where we are now.
The GOP wants us gone, so they can split the democrat party and attract the moderate democrats.
That is the definition of insanity, it sure worked swell
in the last elections...
Walsh- and I don’t mean Joe- is really insightful.
Exactly how I feel.
There's a lot to start up a new party. I'd rather take over the Repub party infrastructure with other like-minded conservatives and kick out the RINOs. They'll probably just slink off to the Dem party anyway....
As it stands today:
I could get behind Cruz 100%— he’s my pick.
I *think* I could mostly get behind Rand Paul—he’s been a bit wish-washy lately.
Unless Rubio changes on immigration, he’s a no for me. There was something I didn’t like about him even before immigration—I just can’t put my finger on it.
No on Paul Ryan
Absolutely no on Chris Christie
No frickin’ way on Jeb Bush—NEVER.
Those are the only ones I can think of right now that may run.
I’ve been leaning toward Cruz for a while. I just didn’t want to go all-in because he was such a new Senator. But he blew away the competition this week. He sounds like a political veteran, not a neophyte. And maybe it’s better we get fresh blood at the top, since so many seem to weaken and go more liberal over time.
Rubio either endorsed or quasi-endorsed Romney in the Florida primary when Gingrich had his do-or-die moment. Endorsing Romney is an automatic disqualifier, and the surest sign there can be that someone’s a RINO at heart.
Rand Paul is a libertarian, which mean’s he’s good on domestic spending issues and domestic spying, but bad on social/moral issues, on immigration and on a lot of foreign policy. He gets caught often trying to moderate his libertarian views to sound more mainstream but if you read between the lines he’s basically as hardcore libertarian as any of them. I have no problem voting for him if he wins the primary, but I won’t back him in the primary.
On purely superficial issues, I think Cruz is also pretty darn charismatic, moreso than Rand, but without falling into the kind of flimsy emotionalism like Rubio does. Cruz gets solid intellectual points across in a fairly charming way, similar to Reagan.
I understand where you're coming from. I've been a Republican for years, and very unhappy with them the last few...
ALL: Another great essay by Jim Robinson:
Bottom line, Obamacare is an unconstitutional Marxist boondoggle that will destroy our nation
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