[Jim Robinson]

Have met and talked with Professor Thornton here in Fresno and have read some of his articles and listened to him on talkshows. A helluva great constitutional conservative. He's well worth reading.

[svcw]

The founders would be confused that it was passed and before that it was even an issue.
My guess, revolution.

[Farnsworth]

the founders would have never come up with such a crap law, so the argument is moot.

[Jack Hammer]

What would the Founders have thought of Obamacare?

Look for their discussion of the matter in the constitution and/or minutes of the ratification debates. It ain’t there.

Lenin, on the other hand....

[Jim Robinson]

More important are the comments made in The Federalist essays, as these were public, in contrast to the minutes of the debates, and so were meant to convince the average voter. On the issue of originating money bills, James Madison in 58 argued for that power as being a necessary check on the less democratic branches of the government. “The house of representatives can not only refuse, but they alone can propose the supplies requisite for the support of government. They in a word hold the purse, that powerful instrument . . . This power over the purse, may in fact be regarded as the most complete and effectual weapon with which any constitution can arm the immediate representatives of the people, for obtaining a redress of every grievance, and for carrying into effect every just and salutary measure.” Clearly, for the Framers the “power of the purse” was intended to be the peoples’ constitutional WMD for checking the other branches when they passed laws or instituted policies contrary to the will of the people.

[colorado tanker]

The Founders would have told Obama and John Roberts that Congress has no authority to enact this under the Constitution they wrote.

[BenLurkin]

“Well, Doctor, what have we got?”

Benjamin Franklin “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

[SandRat]

I'd love to hear what the founders thought of all of these “Progressives”. Bet it wouldn't be kind.

[hosepipe]

What Would the Founders Think of Defunding Obamacare?

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The founders almost all of them would have organized a NEW revolution.. about 40 years ago..
Maybe 100 years ago..

[Slyfox]

Our Founders did not like bad law.

[jimsin]

EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD THINK:

TED CRUZ MAN OF STEEL

[NormsRevenge]

Interesting,, ‘changes of conditions’ led Wilson to go
All-IN!! on the nation’s future. Congre$$ appeared quite a vote in the pocket to do so as well.. 1913 was a year that left a mark or two, as they say.

[Amendment10]

The states have always uniquely had the 10th Amendment-protected power to tax and spend for public healthcare purposes, ultimately depending on what the legal voters of a given state want.

The problem is that voters have been electing state lawmakers who don’t know the Constitution, particularly the division of federal and state powers, any better than the voters do. Consequently, state lawmakers did nothing to stop the corrupt federal government from establishing constitutionally indefensible federal Obamacare.

[olezip]

Contrary to Baldwin, then, the House bill to defund Obamacare is consistent with the intent of the Founders. The law is unpopular, with 52% of the people opposing it.

One of the Senators from Virginia responded to my request that he support defunding Obamacare.

Here is his response.

September 24, 2013

Thank you for contacting me about the health care reform law, known as the Affordable Care Act. I appreciate your taking the time to share your views.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) was signed into law by President Obama on March 23, 2010. I support the ACA as an important first step towards putting patients in charge of their own health care decisions and slowing the growth of health care costs. Health care cost increases have bankrupted hundreds of thousands of people and imposed real financial burdens on businesses. I find it intolerable that the wealthiest nation in the world spends more on health care than any other nation yet we receive second-rate results for our money. ACA curbs the worst insurance company practices and increases access to affordable and quality health care to the tens of millions of Americans who are uninsured.

Because of the ACA, millions of children can remain on their family's health insurance until they are 26 years old and insurance companies are prohibited from denying care to those with pre-existing conditions. Seniors can receive free preventive care that will help reduce the cost and incidence of chronic diseases and purchase more affordable prescription drugs. Forty-seven million American women now have access to preventive health services. Small businesses are eligible for tax credits to help defray the costs of purchasing insurance for their employees. And insurance companies are required to rebate excess premiums to their customers. These measures represent just some of the positive effects of ACA.

I oppose repealing the ACA and the benefits described above. I acknowledge we have more to do to lower health care costs while improving the quality of care. Other nations have shown it can be done through promoting preventive care, effectively using technology, paying our health care providers by patient outcomes, and finding ways to reduce defensive medicine and lower malpractice premiums without taking rights away from patients.

Controlling the cost of health care is essential to reducing the deficit and our national debt. I am ready to work with anyone interested in finding smart savings in health care, especially in Medicare. Inaction is not a solution to our problems. There are many good ideas for improving our health care system and through common ground and compromise, we can find credible solutions.

I will continue to work on improving ACA and reducing the cost of health care for Americans. For more information about ACA, including how it will affect you, details about every feature of the law, and to read the text of the law itself, please visit www.healthcare.gov.

Thank you again for contacting me.

Sincerely,

Tim Kaine

[hosepipe]

Woodrow Wilson in his 1913 book The New Freedom. “I am . . . forced to be a progressive, if for no other reason, because we have not kept up with our changes of conditions, either in the economic or the political field.

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Thats WHY? the Constitution was WRITTEN DOWN... and NOT taught as a Theory..
to make FEDERAL givernment REGRESSIVE... and Not Progressive..

To set standards that could not be and should not be crossed..
Woodrow Wilson was a MORON... as ALL progressives are..

YES..... including Newt Gingrich who brags about being a progressive..
The republican party has become a Three Stooges Skit..

And the Democrat Party a Chinese Fire Drill..
A Third Party is not only practical it is MANDATORY..
The republicans are riddled with MOLD.. past fixing..
Like flooded a house in New Orleans.. even burning it is dangerous.. better bury it..

[PATRIOT1876]

The Founders would've been firing several rounds back when this vile idea was first brought up and the so-called representatives would not answer our phone calls and ignored the faxes and emails that told them that We the People didn't want it!!!!

[tomkat]

             

[Rapscallion]

What did the founders think when we abolished Prohibition? Did they think it was impossible? No!

[real saxophonist]

You know, the more I read about Brooke Baldwin, the more I think this country might have a chance.

And yes, I would hit it...