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Democrats push Reid to get more aggressive in shutdown battle
The Hill ^ | September 21, 2013 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 09/21/2013 4:58:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Senate Democrats are urging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to be aggressive in the standoff over a government shutdown with House Republicans.

They say Reid should counter the House Republican government funding bill by not only stripping language defunding ObamaCare, but by increasing funding for the rest of the government.

Democrats say Reid can afford to go on offense against Republicans given their division, and polls that show most voters would blame them if the government shuts down.

“We’re going to try to get as high a CR level as we can get,” said Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking member of the Democratic caucus, referring to the stop-gap spending measure. “We are not going to be held hostage.

“We think it should be higher than the $988 [billion] level, absolutely. But we’re not going to have a negotiation that deals with extraneous issues,” he added. “We’re going to negotiate to get as a high a level as possible.”

But the first step for Democrats, Schumer said, is to remove the ObamaCare issue from the government funding resolution......

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: cr; debtlimit; gopspine; harryreid; obamacare; reid
I'm proud of how the GOP is moving to stand as one.

Keep it up. Bravery is contagious.

A MAJORITY of Americans have been shouting out for leadership from their elected officials, telling them to do what is right.

The grassroots will rise up and support senators and congressmen who will fight against the weak-minded, anti-American socialists trying to take over our country.

1 posted on 09/21/2013 4:58:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“The grassroots will rise up and support senators and congressmen who will fight against the weak-minded, anti-American socialists trying to take over our country. “.......

Yes, and replace those senators and congressmen who won’t.

It is time to start playing hardball. Enough is enough.


2 posted on 09/21/2013 5:01:45 AM PDT by Progov
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yes, Reid. Get more agressive like other Democrats in academia and at the state level.. call for death, injury, disease, torture to be suffered by your opponents and their children. Get with it, man. In you position you can do more than just wish it happens!


3 posted on 09/21/2013 5:07:17 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Oh, Senator Reid, I forgot to mention. Get a shotgun.


4 posted on 09/21/2013 5:09:08 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The Democrats have no cards to play. The GOP was going to get blamed for everything anyway, even though they did vote to fund the Government.
Reid can strip the CR of Obamacare “defunding” but the House GOP doesn't have to even vote on.
Obamacare is done if the GOP sticks to their guns. The election is over a year away and the most Obama and the Rats can hold out on a shutdown is 3 months before the tables turn on them.
There would be a short term effect on the economy but as soon as the Rats cave then the economy would take off.
5 posted on 09/21/2013 5:09:20 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: Progov

Yes. They need to stand shoulder to shoulder because the Left will never give them an inch.

Note below [This is how the Left plans to increase the cap in the CR language and then scream that the GOP wants to “kill (fill in the blank) with their mean spirited, drastic cuts.]

.... “The [2011] Budget Control Act sets a spending cap of $967 billion for fiscal year 2014. If Democrats boost funding levels in the stop-gap spending measure, sequestration will require a bigger automatic cut after New Year’s Day to keep below the BCA cap.

The stopgap spending measure passed by the House covers October, November and half of December. The new fiscal year begins Oct. 1.

Increasing funding levels for the start of the fiscal year could serve as a precedent for mitigating the automatic cuts looming for the rest of the fiscal year after January. Democrats could argue the cuts needed to bring the total year’s spending back down to $967 billion would be too drastic.

Senate Democratic sources say Reid could increase the funding level in the House-passed resolution by using the same floor procedure he’s expected to use to remove language defunding ObamaCare.”.....


6 posted on 09/21/2013 5:11:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tobyhill

See Post #6.


7 posted on 09/21/2013 5:13:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Me TOO!! Now the RINO Senators need to grow spines to protect ALL Americans from this nightmare.


8 posted on 09/21/2013 5:16:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How in the WORLD could Reid, Obama and the Democrats get MORE AGRESSIVE...they are PITBULLS already.


9 posted on 09/21/2013 5:17:17 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I, too, am extremely proud that the Republican House leadership pulled the caucus together to finally take a firm principled stand againt the “Horror” know as Obamacare. But.....the statement and stand, go way futher then just Obamacare. Obama and his Obamabot Democrat Party are enroute to destroying the American economy, American jobs, America medical care, America’s position as the number one power in the world, increasing poverty in the USA by signifant count, keeping people of color in economic bondage, destroying free enterprize, etc. That’s what this fight is all about!!!

Now....we, the American people need to really, seriously, embark upon an action program, by notifying our representatives in Congress, that we want this Obama activity stopped....dead in its tracks. So....keep the calls & e-mails to Congress Critters in both parties going, non-stop....and,, make certain that everyone of you and your friends, relatives, work associates, etc., signs & endorses, the Lee/Cruz Petition to Defund Obamacare Ignore, Democrats, media, RINOS, etc. They are frightened silly that a sea change is underway in the American Republic!!!

The question you all should shout from the rooftops today and tomorrow is: Where id Republican Leader of the Senator, Mitch McConnell??? it’s time for McConnell to come out of hiding and pull the Senate Pubbies to act as one unit to Defund Obamacare. Example, Congressman, Peter King, (NY) was against the CR voted for yesterday in the House, yet he joined in voting Aye on the CR!!!

So.....fellow Freepers, Ameericans, all, get with the program, get on the internet today or tomorrow, and sign & endorse the Lee/Cruz Petition to Defund Obamacare!!! Join the already 1,600,000 Americans that have already signed & endorsed this most important petition!!! NOW!!! IMMEDIATELY!!! TODAY!!!

(WWW.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.COM)


10 posted on 09/21/2013 5:21:56 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The left perceives weakness. It’s well past time that they got it shoved back in their faces. In spades.

As the gauntlet has been picked up, we have to pick it and back the conservatives. We must. Because if conservatives fail to show themselves as willing to fight, we will lose far more in the longer term. Like the country itself.

If the conservative consensus emerges that there is absolutely no chance to affect the outcomes through the political process in Washington, then the next move will be to pivot and try to change it dramatically at the state level. I.e. through attempts at secession. And once that gets going, things are likely to get real ugly, real quick.


11 posted on 09/21/2013 5:22:16 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Democrats say Reid can afford to go on offense against Republicans given their division, and polls that show most voters would blame them if the government shuts down.

has anyone seen these polls?
12 posted on 09/21/2013 5:22:35 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Progov
As Ronald Reagan once said, "if they will not see the light let them feel the heat."


13 posted on 09/21/2013 5:23:32 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh and as for ‘rat “leadership” and their fellow pederasts?

Bring It On.


14 posted on 09/21/2013 5:25:12 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Power disintegrates when people withdraw their obedience and support)
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To: Ann Archy

Reid and his bunch resemble a false front on a studio film set. Fake. To further their incessant march to transform America into a one party government, they (and their accomplices in the media and academia) have no problem lying to and hurting the very people they purport to help.

There is no compromising with them - to do so is giving them the weapon they’ll wield against you.

Reid must be put on the defensive. He and his bunch are not supported or liked by a majority of Americans.


15 posted on 09/21/2013 5:29:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Translation: We don’t have the votes because too many Democrats want to get re-elected. Reid needs to use a magic spell so they don’t have to vote.


16 posted on 09/21/2013 5:30:07 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: God luvs America

They’re bluffing and they can be stopped.


17 posted on 09/21/2013 5:32:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AppyPappy

Good point.


18 posted on 09/21/2013 5:34:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thomas Paine THE CRISIS (updated 2013)

“THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. OBAMA, with an army to enforce his tyranny, has declared that he has a right (not only to TAX) but “to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER” and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God...

There are cases which cannot be overdone by language, and this is one. There are persons, too, who see not the full extent of the evil which threatens them; they solace themselves with hopes that the enemy, if he succeed, will be merciful. It is the madness of folly, to expect mercy from those who have refused to do justice; and even mercy, where conquest is the object, is only a trick of war; the cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf, and we ought to guard equally against both.”

STAND TO, BE ALERT, There may never be another chance...This will be a moment that lives forever and you can tell your grandchildren you were there.


19 posted on 09/21/2013 5:34:35 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Can you imagine egging on Harry Reid? The man is already mental and a vicious political thug.

The Left long ago went over the edge. They will do anything, say anything, go scorched earth on anyone or anything that dares move or raise its head, if it’s not in lockstep with their rabid goals.

Just ask Tom DeLay.


20 posted on 09/21/2013 5:37:02 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." (Glenn Beck))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Reid should counter the House Republican government funding bill by not only stripping language defunding ObamaCare, but by increasing funding for the rest of the government.

Yeah RATs, why not spend the entire GDP in one fell swoop!

(Idiots!)

21 posted on 09/21/2013 5:38:17 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering FREAKS!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Furthermore, a poll out in the last couple of days indicate that a majority of likely voters would prefer a government shutdown over funding of Obiecare.

Dems are losing the narrative and are getting worried. That as much as anything explains Obie's unhinged demeanor yesterday. Every day that his signature legislation loses ground pushed him closer to the edge...

IMHO

22 posted on 09/21/2013 5:41:03 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: tobyhill
There would be a short term effect on the economy but as soon as the Rats cave then the economy would take off.

Why would shutting down the government have an adverse effect on the economy? "The economy" belongs to The People...not the government parasites.

23 posted on 09/21/2013 5:42:39 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering FREAKS!)
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To: RedEyeJack
...... STAND TO, BE ALERT, There may never be another chance...This will be a moment that lives forever and you can tell your grandchildren you were there."

With this now-well-understood-liar occupying the White House (and his party on the Hill and his acolytes in the media and academia), how could they do less? Everything he and his czars have done is to smother any recovery. It is long past time that his chickens come home to roost.

Obama: GOP will send US into recession to prevent ObamaCare “A faction on the far right of the Republican party who’ve convinced their leadership to threaten a government shutdown if they can’t shut off the Affordable Care Act. Some are actually willing to plunge America into default if they can’t defund the Affordable Care Act,” Obama said.

“Think about that. They’d actually plunge this country back into recession — all to deny the basic security of health care to millions of Americans.”

Obama said he will not negotiate with Republican lawmakers over raising the debt ceiling.

“We are a compassionate nation. We are the world’s bedrock investment. And doing anything to threaten that is the height of irresponsibility. That’s why I will not negotiate over the full faith and credit of the United States,” Obama said.

On Friday, the president called Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) to reiterate that claim.

[SNIP]

“If this Congress doesn’t do it within the next few weeks, the United States will default on its obligations and put our entire economy at risk,” Obama said.

The president said time is running short for congressional action.

“We are running out of time to fix this. But we could fix it tomorrow. Both houses of Congress can take a simple vote to pay our bills on time, then work together to pass a budget on time,” Obama said."

24 posted on 09/21/2013 5:43:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: gov_bean_ counter
....Dems are losing the narrative and are getting worried. That as much as anything explains Obie's unhinged demeanor yesterday. Every day that his signature legislation loses ground pushed him closer to the edge......

BUMP!

25 posted on 09/21/2013 5:44:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tobyhill

The Pubs are a good portion pretend opposition. The ones who truly oppose should act in unison and parrot the exact sam phrase back to any MSM reporter and otherwise state they are shunning the democratic owned media. Full confrontational politics.


26 posted on 09/21/2013 6:07:51 AM PDT by wrencher
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"51% Favor Government Shutdown Until Congress Cuts Health Care Funding"-Rasmussen Reports

I would credit the Republicans with shutting down the gov't. The Hill doesn't grok what Republicans were hired by their voters to do.

Congress has an approval rating of 9%, I don't approve because the Republicans still cooperate with Zero and Reid waaaaaaaaaaay too much.

27 posted on 09/21/2013 6:25:57 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Democrats say Reid can afford to go on offense against Republicans given their division, and polls that show most voters would blame them if the government shuts down.

IF the polls show the GOP will be blamed (and we all know the media drives this show), then my advice to the Gelding Old Party is: WHY HOLD BACK - GO FOR THE WHOLE ENCHALADA YOUR ARE THE CULPRIT ANYWAY!!
28 posted on 09/21/2013 6:47:48 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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The Hill doesn't grok what Republicans were hired by their voters to do"

I thought there was a typo in that sentence, but I looked it up....and sure enough...."GROK: to understand profoundly and intuitively".

Wow, I learn new and useful things every day here on FR.

Leni

29 posted on 09/21/2013 7:02:57 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Two left hooks and an uppercut from Snowden will sap any remaining creditability the Democrats think they have


30 posted on 09/21/2013 7:26:00 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Cincinatus' Wife.

The Obama Tax Hikes

to go with

The Obama Recession


31 posted on 09/21/2013 7:35:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Do it and then we can use your communist redistribution during war time and an economic depression to whip your sorry anti-American demonrat arses with.


32 posted on 09/21/2013 8:08:30 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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