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Verizon's Plan to Break the Internet
SaveTheInternet ^ | 9/18/13 | Timothy Karr

Posted on 09/19/2013 6:42:01 AM PDT by shego

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To: shego

Verizon is totally evil, found that out long ago and cancelled all service.


21 posted on 09/19/2013 7:20:18 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: KrisKrinkle

Obviously, such a service could not be misrepresented as “internet access” — that would fall foul of the bait-and-switch issue noted above.


22 posted on 09/19/2013 7:24:40 AM PDT by shego
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To: shego
First, I have an AT&T cell phone, had it for over 16 yrs. As of this morning, there is a message from VERIZON on my house phone (local company, not Verizon) answering machine that tells me part of my phone is defective and I haven’t returned the defective part and if I don’t do it within 30 days, they will charge me up to $800. And, if I have questions, call “x” number.

What in the hell is that? I’m not calling them because I don’t use them and my cell phone is an AT&T product.

Maybe this is some kind of sales technique to get me to call and take their service??

23 posted on 09/19/2013 7:26:35 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

Why not post a link to the audio of the message and the number to call? I’m certain that many of us here would be able to vet it for you and let you know what it all means.


24 posted on 09/19/2013 7:46:50 AM PDT by Postman (Flies get too litle credit. They know!)
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To: shego

Don’t be too quick to call Verizon leftist or liberal. They make it a policy to go to war with the CWA every contract. They’ve had some nasty strikes and haven’t ever backed off when the CWA went thuggish. Verizon wants to make and keep as much money for its shareholders as possible. If that means out thugging the union, doing Big Brother’s work, or charging people to use its pathways and denying service to those who don’t pay then so be it. I remember 40 years ago after the Yom Kippur War and first oil boycott, after Nixon went Defcon 3 the 6th Fleet left Naples with half full fuel bunkers because the Saudis told Exxon Italy not to provide fuel for the Navy. During a Senate hearing afterwards Proxmire asked an Exxon rep if this was true. The rep. calmly said “ Yes.” Proxmire went ballistic. The words unpatriotic, traitor, treason resounded in the hearing room. The rep calmly responded, “ Senator Proxmire, the Exxon Corporation flies 37 flags and owes allegiance to none.” We live in a nation dominated by BIGs. Govt, Business Labor, you name it. I don’t know how to change it. Maybe the Tea Party shoud find areas on common interest with the saner elements of OWS.


25 posted on 09/19/2013 7:50:59 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (.You have never tasted freedom, else you would know it is purchased not with gold but with steel)
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To: shego

Let’s JC Penny, Verizon! Put them out of business.


26 posted on 09/19/2013 8:06:22 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Who am I to judge homosexuals? That's what the Tony Awards are for.)
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To: shego

“Obviously, such a service could not be misrepresented as “internet access” — that would fall foul of the bait-and-switch issue noted above.”

How’s that work for a bakery, or a venue for weddings, or a bridal shop or anything else when the owners religious views conflict with a potential customer’s plan for use of the service?


27 posted on 09/19/2013 8:13:51 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Postman

The call was on my house phone answering machine so I don’t know and don’t see how, I could post a link to the audio.

I listened carefully this time to the message - this morning I hadn’t had my coffee before hearing that, so I didn’t listen carefully.

This recorded woman says they sent me a replacement device (guess she means a whole phone) and I had 5 days to return the defective one and I haven’t done it, and they can charge me the amount of the phone, which may be $500 (I thought it was 8). Then, she says I have 7 days to return it or be charged a late fee and she doesn’t say what the late fee is unless it is that $500. The customer service no. is 1-800-922-0204.

I don’t have their service nor their phone and haven’t received anything in the mail from them and I would surely know it if a phone was in my mail.

I went to their website and looked at all of the choices to get info. about defective devices and found nothing except call customer service.

I have an unlisted phone number for my house phone and got that near the end of 2011. I suppose whoever had this number before, if anyone did, could be who they are looking for. It isn’t me, for sure. And, why didn’t they call that cell phone number instead of my home number? I just checked my cell phone and there are no messages on it and it is AT&T service and their phone.


28 posted on 09/19/2013 8:34:00 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: shego

Not really squeamish most folks couldn’t give you a definition of fascism if you asked them . The definitions of socialism fascism Nazism communism aren’t taught in school anymore. Also students are generally discouraged from looking this up on their own.


29 posted on 09/19/2013 8:35:30 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner
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To: OKSooner

im happy with my trac fone - coverage is spotty but for 9.95/mos - its all i need


30 posted on 09/19/2013 8:54:55 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (if "meat is murder" what is abortion?)
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To: shego

Verizon is currently the poster child of corporate fascism.

They are apparently in bed with every legislative body in the US from congress to your local city council member. The “pillow talk” or under the sheets payola enables them to do what they do with their plans and services.

Combine that with often better service versus lesser service and reliability of other wireless providers enables them to be the poster child of corporate fascism.


31 posted on 09/19/2013 8:58:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: shego
Except that law doesn't apply to the Fedgov and those who pay for it.

I have been stung a few times. Contracts aren't as golden as they used to be.

32 posted on 09/19/2013 9:05:20 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Marcella

This is scam being done by out of country crooks.

They have spoofed the Verizon number and trying to get your last 4 SS #’s and of course a credit card.

Don’t call them and have any call from that number forwarded to your local DA’s office handling scams.

Go the link below and check out what I have noted above:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-922-0204


33 posted on 09/19/2013 9:11:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( When insane/feral Islamics are killing each other, stand back and let Allah sort them out!)
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To: Marcella

It’s a phishing scam. Ignore it.


34 posted on 09/19/2013 9:12:15 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: shego

This has nothing to do with evil or morals or getting in bed with the government. The question is does Verizon have the right to charge for the amount of data that is carried over its network.

The amount of data that can be carried over a network is limited so the question is how to ration it in a way that maximizes Verizon’s revenue. Just like any other business. Why should you be allowed to have a continuos stream of HD videos, music, and games that hog bandwidth and be charged the same as someone who sends email and occasionally surfs the web?

Someone has to pay for the usage. Verizon is trying to get the free riders like Netflix to pay instead of charging all of the network users including non Netflix customers more.

Verizon would have a better case if it didn’t have monopoly agreements in most cities it serves. But then that is a local political issue that you cannot blame on Verizon.


35 posted on 09/19/2013 9:52:33 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Grampa Dave; Hoffer Rand

Thanks, guys. I read some of those complaints and that has to be what this is. I don’t answer my phone unless I know the number calling, and only my family and a couple of friends have this number. I surely won’t answer these crooked people.


36 posted on 09/19/2013 9:53:08 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: shego

This really sucks. If they were to implement this, I’d heartily approve the rest of the world blackholing ever single subnet they own. Their own customers will demand they stop.


37 posted on 09/19/2013 10:38:02 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Someone has to pay for the usage. Verizon is trying to get the free riders like Netflix to pay instead of charging all of the network users including non Netflix customers more.

In what way is Netflix a free rider? They don't have to pay for their internet connections? Wow! Cool deal! Where can I sign my company up for it? Facts are, the do pay for their internet access. Verizon (and others) appear to have a problem with the fundamental way the internet works. If Verizon wants Netflix or Google, or whomever to pay them for their internet access, then they should be competing to handle their internet business, not just attempting to bill a company they have no contractual basis with because their customers (you know, the people who actually do pay Verizion for internet access), want to get data from netflix.com

It's how the internet works. If you're a part of the backbone, and Verizon is, and they are paid well for it, then you agree to carry traffic generated elsewhere, just like others agree to carry your traffic. If they aren't interested in doing that, they can recreate the AOL Island experience. I'm sure they'll have customers falling all over themselves to get in line for that.

38 posted on 09/19/2013 10:50:14 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: zeugma

There is only a set amount of bandwidth that is available. Is Verizon supposed to finance capacity expansion so that Netflix can stream unlimited amounts of programming to every Verizon subscriber?

They amount of bandwidth consumed will be rationed one way or another. The question is how it will be rationed. I prefer charging those who use it the most the highest rates. So we will have pay by usage or we will have usage limits.


39 posted on 09/19/2013 11:15:02 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety
If they don't want to be in the internet business, then they should get out of it. You still didn't answer my question. How is netflix getting out of paying for its internet access? They do pay for the bandwith they use. You don't think they let the company hook up to big DS3 pipes for free do you?

Pushing this stuff through is just another way for them to go one step further towards the old cellphone scam, where they were charging both sides of the call for the same call.

Again, if they don't want to be an internet provider, they are welcome to leave that to companies that do.

40 posted on 09/19/2013 12:59:54 PM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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