Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene

BBC ^ | Debbie Siegelbaum

[Alberta's Child]

Once you establish a formal plan to respond to a crisis like this, and hire public safety personnel to do the job, you can be sure that the job will never get done effectively. The problem is that the plan and the personnel -- by definition -- get bogged down in various rules, regulations and oversight protocols that make it impossible for them to do the job effectively.

That's why the most effective people in a crisis are usually the ones who find themselves in the situation on their own (as opposed to as a "first responder"), who put their own skills and wits to work under duress, and who don't answer to a chain of command.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

This is what you get when you live in a City that is totaly ran by democrats

Can you think of one that isn't?

[FlyingEagle]

The Progressives have run out of stupid deadly anti American stunts so they are repeating the old ones now: reprise of Ft Hood.

[Arthurio]

Someone should have let a dog loose Iin there, the Swat Team would have then stormed in after it, shooting away

[ConservativeStatement]

Didn’t one person (a DC rep, perhaps?), the day of the murders, say that DC was “the safest city...” Rainbows, lollipops and sunshine.

[ExTexasRedhead]

Like Benghazi, ya think?

[hinckley buzzard]

That's why the most effective people in a crisis are usually the ones who find themselves in the situation on their own (as opposed to as a "first responder"), who put their own skills and wits to work under duress, and who don't answer to a chain of command.

Like the teenager in Nawlins who hotwired a school bus and single handedly evacuated more people from Hurricane Katrina than the entire government.

[ExTexasRedhead]

No one is in deep doo doo over Benghazi.

[Celtic Conservative]

If I were leading that team I would've had a "radio malfunction" right before the stand down order was given. It's sometimes easier to ask for forgiveness than permission, and success forgives many sins.

CC

[Migraine]

get bogged down in various rules, regulations and oversight protocols

...mostly at the insistence of their unions, resulting in mostly useless paycheck-grubbers when the chips are on the line.

[Aria]

Probably someone along the way was hoping it was a white Tea Partier. But either way...never let dead bodies...err...a crisis ...go to waste.

[Eagles6]

Wrong. I believe these are federal jobs or at least DC municipal. Someone maybe be laterally transferred, promoted or given paid leave of absence but that's it.

Unless, of course, it's like Benghazi where the good guys were hung out to dry and died and the other good guys that tried to tell the truth are intimidated, threatened and punished.

[MaxMax]

Or the leadership wanted mass casualties.

[dagogo redux]

“Someone is in deep dodo.”

No. Wrong. No one is in deep dodo: these are government workers. They can’t be fired, they can’t be sued, they can’t have their benefits/pensions taken away. They’ll retain their clearances.

Reprimand, perhaps, followed by transfer to cushy job in some other department, or maybe disability for PTSD.

[autumnraine]

So military were carrying guns with no ammo and the ones with ammo are told not to shoot...

What’s scarrier is that they obeyed.

[wac3rd]

Liberalism and irrational fear of self-protection coupled with hatred of the US equals the US right now

[Nailbiter]

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