Neither Putin nor Obama get it

washingtontimes.com ^ | September 16, 2013 | Gary Bauer

[Tailgunner Joe]

At the core of America’s founding was a simple, yet literally revolutionary, idea: that all people deserve to be free because they are created by God in His image, and that our rights come from God, not government.

This was articulated in the most important sentence in America’s founding, the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

Those 36 words are sometimes called the best-known words in the English language because they are an expression of America’s moral standard of conduct.

American exceptionalism is not a synonym for patriotism. Nor is it a belief that America is inherently superior to other countries, or that God loves Americans more. Indeed, the stains of slavery and abortion, to name two, are proof that America is far from a perfect country, and that it has at times fallen woefully short of its own standards.

However, that doesn’t diminish the truths contained in America’s founding documents. They have provided inspiration and hope to oppressed people around the world for centuries. This is how our Founders imagined it would be. Upon leaving office, President Thomas Jefferson wrote:

“The station which we occupy among the nations of this earth is honorable but awful. Trusted with the destinies of this solitary republic of the world, the only monument of human rights, and the sole depository of the sacred fire of freedom and self-government, from hence it is to be lighted up in other regions of the earth, if other regions of the earth shall ever become susceptible of its benign influence.”

[Jim Robinson]

Amen.

[rawcatslyentist]

God created us free.

A gift isn't a gift, if you owe someone.

Free to choose to love and follow him willingly.

Our love is the only thing we can give him that he doesn't already have. He did create everything. There is literally nothing else you can give him that he doesn't already own.

[Fungi]

“A gift isn’t a gift, if you owe someone.”

Nonsense. A gift is a gift, you either accept it or you don’t. You must accept the promise of eternal life to receive it. All we owe God is obedience, but you must accept Christ’s sacrificial death to receive it.

[Talisker]

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

Sorry, that was the old Constitution. It was presumed to be replaced by the new Constitution, which reads:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

The difference is actual freedom vs. presumptive slavery.

Where trying to escape the presumption is presumed to be a crime.

[Yosemitest]

Even the author Gary Bauer doesn't "get it" !

" America’s founding launched the modern democratic experiment,
an experiment that has not just survived
but been instrumental in defeating the scourges of fascism, communism and, currently, Islamism. "

Hey Gary, know you not that WE ARE A REPUBLIC ?
Know you not that a democracy is "mob rule" ?

Let's review the November 30, 1928, Training Manual No. TM 2000-25 on Citizenship, U.S. History and the Constitution.
The Founding Fathers of our Nation wisely established a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy, and there are many important differences.
The best and simplest definitions are printed in that Training Manual.

At the time of the Revolutionary War the republican form of government was discredited throughout the world, monarchy and oligarchy being considered the proper forms of good government.

119. Representative government. — The American experiment. — A few races qualified themselves for self-government. To establish that form of government was a long, hard struggle which culminated in the great American experiment.

The United States set up a distinct and different form of government, the product of distinct racial stocks and centuries spent in learning the principles and art of self-government. In practice, our form of government is the most nearly perfect in securing individual rights and ensuring the blessings of liberty.

It differs from previous forms in certain vital and fundamental principles which have come to be known as "American institutions." Among these is that of self-government by representation, which is "the golden mean between autocracy and democracy."

120. Comparative analysis. — The following comparative analysis shows the principal characteristics of the three forms of government:

Autocracy:

Authority is derived through heredity.

People have no choice in the selection of their rulers and no voice in making of the laws.

Results in arbitrariness, tyranny, and oppression.

Attitude toward property is feudalistic.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the ruler shall control, regardless of reason or consequences.

Democracy:
A government of the masses.

Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.

Results in mobocracy.

Attitude toward property is communistic — negating property rights.

Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.

Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.

Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.

Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.

A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.

Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.

Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of (1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their governmental acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy. — Atwood.

121. Superior to all others. — Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered.

Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success.

Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

Madison, in the Federalist, emphasized the fact that this government was a republic and not a democracy, the Constitution makers having considered both an autocracy and a democracy as undesirable forms of government while "a republic * * * promises the cure for which we are seeking."

In a democracy the people meet and exercise the government in person. In a republic they assemble and administer it by their respective agents. — Madison.

The advantage which a republic has over a democracy consists in the substitution of representatives whose enlightened views and virtuous sentiments render them superior to local prejudices and to schemes of injustice. — Madison.

The American form of government is the oldest republican form of government in the world, and is exercising a pronounced influence in modifying the governments of other nations. Our Constitution has been copied in whole or in part throughout the earth.

The point that "this is a REPUBLIC" cannot be stressed enough!
Now to Gary's statement:

" A rededication to the core of America’s founding —
the acknowledgement of God as the provider of our rights
— will be essential as it confronts the inevitable threats to come. "

I absolutely agree with that statement.

[Yosemitest]

Bookmarked.

[SoFloFreeper]

bttt, I believe this is what I said in the wake of Putin’s piece...he was wrong about our exceptionalism, but so is the Clown—the Clown uses that phrase as a gateway for us to follow his idiotic plans...not as a way to praise our founding.

[rawcatslyentist]

I suppose you could give someone you owe a gift. That however would not affect their expectation of payment though.

"All we owe God is obedience"

We "owe" him our very lives! We would NOT BE, if he hadn't created us.

http://biblehub.com/mark/12-28.htm

One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?"
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'

PS He Loves Us!

[hosepipe]

Of course they don’t git it... they have bought the Hive or Collective concept completely..
They are NOT into the individual.. they are drones.. not average drones.. but royal drones..
that feel privileged to manage regular drones..

And a lot of republicans have bought the same concepts..
They are collectives.. with a big C or a small c but still collectives..

You cannot talk to a collective ideologue... they are not reading the same page as you do..
They are reading a different BOOK.. completely..

Saul Alinsky laid it out in “Rules for Radicals”..
And Cloward-Piven strategy quotes chapter and verse..

WORSE than a collective is one that trys to dialog with a collective..
They are completely delusional... used by the collectives like workers..
Useful idiots.. more dangerous than an actual collective..

Which is the exact problem with the republican party..
All manner of confused people..

[gattaca]

The first sentence of the article says it all. Our rights come from God.

[Sherman Logan]

The problem here is that the document’s definition of a republic is just not accurate.

It defines a republic as one where the people elect the government. But even when it was written, in much of the United States large percentages of the population were excluded from voting, as indeed even larger percentages were in many states at the Founding.

What the manual defines as “a republic” is merely one variety of Republic, the democratic version.

Venice and Genoa during medieval and Renaissance times were both republics, but they were explicitly aristocratic republics, as was the Roman version for much of its history.

In modern use the term means a government that derives its legitimacy from the people’s consent, not from heredity or God. In practice that means just about all governments on earth today, since there are very few left that make any other claim to legitimacy.

[ballplayer]

Do you really believe that we are still Free? Try sending your kids to public school and questioning Common Core,Go ahead take them out and send them to parochial school,they are in the process of adopting that as well.Teach them at home,unless you are going to keep them in the House forever.
Where the hell does it end FOLKS?

[Jack Hammer]

Wonderful words from Gary Bauer.

[Yosemitest]

Those definitions are very accurate, and what's taught in today's classrooms are not at all accurate, or even true.
Liberals have taken over the education systems since about the 70s and their destruction of our education system is in full fruit today.
Do you honestly believe that Obama and the Democrats won the last election without voter fraud and stealing several electorial votes?

Someone once commented:

"Stolen?
Then you should get right on this and prove it."

First watch 8 minutes 16 seconds of video titled Romney defeated Obama - if not for voter fraud.

Then ... read and think about this.

Someone wrote:

"I believe there was voting fraud,
but that it was not the reason Romney lost.
Even without fraud he would still have lost. "
I don't completely agree.
I believe there WAS ENOUGH Voter Fraud to throw the 80 Electoral College Votes from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Florida.
I also believe that had Romney SAVAGED Obama, like he SAVAGED the Conservatives that ran against him in the Primary, Romney would have gotten more votes in the General election.
So yes, it's Romney's fault, but there WAS ENOUGH VOTER FRAUD to steal the election for Obama.

URGENT: ELECTION FRAUD VOLUNTEERS NEEDED IN WI, OH, PA, VA, FL

Maker of Unskewed Polls Creates ‘Obama Voter Fraud’ Map — See Which States He Thinks Should’ve Been Romney’s

Why There Won’t Be a Presidential Recount

None Dare Call it Stolen Ohio, the election, and America’s servile press

www.unskewedpolls.com

Black States = States Obama won by Voter Fraud. Click the state for more information.

Voter Turnout figures for 2012 indicate possible voter suppression and fraud

Vote Scamming in Philadelphia

Vote Scamming in Cleveland

Was Virginia won by vote fraud?

Vote Scamming in Florida

Question: Should President Romney Pardon Treasonist Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro ?


Romney might have won, but with Obama's Criminals running the "Justice Department", they'll never admit Romney won.

Black States = States Obama won by Voter Fraud. Click the state for more information.




Photo Credit: Barackofraudo.com

[Sherman Logan]

Disagree. With just about everything you have there.

[Yosemitest]

You must be a product of today's public education system.
I suppose you believe (like all liberals) that "words" have no constant meaning, and can "change" or "be changed".
But like the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, you think they are

"JUST WORDS; JUST SPEECHES"

[Sherman Logan]

Of course the meaning of words change over time. Which is why it is important to determine which meaning was meant by a particular author.

My original point was that the government described in your manual is not the definition of “a republic.” It is the definition of one type of republic, which come in a wide variety.

About the only thing all republics have in common is the absence of a monarch, and even that is arguable. Poland, pre-partition, was often called a “crowned republic,” because power rested with “the people,” with The People defined in this case as the gentry and nobility. The People elected the king, who had very limited powers in any case.

That’s a major difference between republics, who The People are defined as. In many historical republics, The People were a closed oligarchic corporation. In others foreigners, slaves, women, etc. were excluded. In practical terms, this country only expanded The People to include everybody in the 60s.

So by your manual’s definition we’ve only been a Republic for about 50 years.

[Yosemitest]

"Of course the meaning of words change over time."

Ah hahahahahahahaha....hehehe

[Yosemitest]

I like you comments.
The more I read them, the clearer they ring true.