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To: Slambat; ansel12
"An American citizen is a sovereign individual and bows to no one but god [sic]."

Slambat, this isn't true of all Americans -- and keep in mind that there are all kinds of bows, with varying shades of meaning.

Even as deracinated 21st century Americans, we know there is the stage-bow by actors, musicians, conductors and performers (at the curtain call) and, in martial arts, ceremonial bows used to begin and end practice and competitions, and to show respect to the instructors, the shihan and the sensei.

Hand-kissing of women by men, in formal settings, includes a bow --- I know that if it were done to me, it would not be adoration (!), although there's a courtly WWII vet at church, an usher, who always opens the church door and bows when he sees me coming: don't tell my husband, but maybe he has a crush? :o)

A large-ish chunk of U.S. Christians belong to churches with recognized customs of bowing, and not just toward God, but also toward altars and tabernacles, Bibles and crosses, other consecrated objects, toward the priests and deacons, and toward each other.

I'm not getting encyclopedic here for no reason. I'm just showing that cultures with a rich repertoire of honor and courtesy, both human and divine, may find it much easier to appreciate bowing and recognize gradations of honor, with a great deal depending on context.

133 posted on 09/01/2013 11:33:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Your sarcasm tag: never leave home without it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Slambat did you get all that.

Don-o seems to be in some frenzy over this.

There must truly be something negative to this Pope bowing to the Mohammedan Queen judging by this lady who protests so much.


142 posted on 09/01/2013 2:09:19 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Ok so they don’t have to bow. You know what I mean. I think
the word is subjugation.

By the way you forgot square dancing.


149 posted on 09/02/2013 4:21:39 PM PDT by Slambat
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