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Jurors continue to deliberate at Fort Hood--Update: GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS; eligible for death penalty
statesman.com ^ | August 23, 2013 | Jeremy Schwartz

Posted on 08/23/2013 6:27:42 AM PDT by don-o

FORT HOOD —

Yesterday at about 5:20 p.m. the call came into the media center: the military jury deciding the fate of Maj. Nidal Hasan was ready to reconvene. A group of journalists hastily convened and speed-walked toward the courthouse, about a quarter mile away, anxiously anticipating a verdict.

The atmosphere in the courtroom was heavy: A small group of family members sat quietly as prosecutors stared straight ahead. Hasan stroked his beard and occassionally leaned in to whisper with his lead standby attorney, Lt. Col. Kris Poppe. We sat in near silence for about 15 long minutes.

As we now know, the jurors needed more time to deliberate and had merely reconvened in open court in order to ask for the written statement of officer Mark Todd to be read back to them.

But expectations are high that Day 14 of the Hasan court-martial will indeed bring a verdict. There is no doubt the 13 high-ranking Army officers are taking their duty seriously. They are paying such close attention that yesterday they pointed out a spelling error in a middle name of one of the victims that prosecutors and court officials had overlooked.

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1 posted on 08/23/2013 6:27:42 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

Hang him already.


2 posted on 08/23/2013 6:28:21 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: don-o

What is there to discuss? He admits he did it. Go back to the jury room, order a couple of pizzas, have lunch and them come back with the verdict.


3 posted on 08/23/2013 6:29:54 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: bmwcyle

Shave the SOB first.


4 posted on 08/23/2013 6:30:47 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: dirtboy

“What is there to discuss? He admits he did it. Go back to the jury room, order a couple of pizzas, have lunch and them come back with the verdict.”

My thoughts exactly.


5 posted on 08/23/2013 6:30:59 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: don-o

They’re dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s. There is no way a verdict of anything but guilty will come out of this.


6 posted on 08/23/2013 6:32:07 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: don-o

What the hell are the deliberating???
The muslim terrorist confessed multiple times in court.


7 posted on 08/23/2013 6:32:50 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: don-o

We shall see who honors their oaths to America and who honors Obama.


8 posted on 08/23/2013 6:33:08 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: 0.E.O

What 18 murder counts and another 25+ attempted counts? This could take a while to wade through.


9 posted on 08/23/2013 6:33:15 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: mortal19440

One chop low would do it.


10 posted on 08/23/2013 6:34:31 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: MplsSteve

Here’s why: if they did that, even basing it on his admissions, those admissions weren’t under oath and are not evidence. I guarantee the appellate defense counsel (appeal is mandatory with any punitive discharge or dismissal) will say, “He didn’t get due process! What, they listened to HIM? He’s NUTS!” And the court might just buy it.

No, they need to deliberate in the most serious sense of the word, so there will be nothing the court martial panel did, or failed to do, that will allow this scum to avoid the maximum penalty for his heinous conduct.

Colonel, USAFR


11 posted on 08/23/2013 6:34:40 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: don-o

The only deliberation I can see is whether to give him what he wants...death and the easy way out or a more proper punishment such as life in solitary with dry shaves and pork.


12 posted on 08/23/2013 6:34:42 AM PDT by soycd
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To: dirtboy

Knowing the military, there’s a LOT of paper work involved.


13 posted on 08/23/2013 6:35:46 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Jurors continue to deliberate at Fort Hood ....

WTF?!

14 posted on 08/23/2013 6:36:04 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: mortal19440

..and in the process give him “Colombian” tie...


15 posted on 08/23/2013 6:36:31 AM PDT by QQQQ
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To: don-o
Anyone know if there was any kind of insanity defense put forth? If not I wonder if the panel can find him “not guilty by reason of” even if it wasn't claimed.I'm not saying he *was* insane...he wasn't.He's a filthy 9th Century knuckledragger (no different than the 9/11 jihadis) who should die dancing at the end of a rope.
16 posted on 08/23/2013 6:40:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: QQQQ

At first I thought you meant a “Brazilian” (ew)

But I hope you are refering to a burning tire necklace.


17 posted on 08/23/2013 6:43:10 AM PDT by Mr. K (Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and then Democrat Talking Points.)
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To: jagusafr
...those admissions weren’t under oath and are not evidence.

Is that to say that a court martial panel cannot convict *solely* on the weight of an admission *they themselves* heard the accused make...unless that admission was made under oath?? If so,does that differ from civilian trials? Or is the same true there as well?

18 posted on 08/23/2013 6:45:27 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Is that to say that a court martial panel cannot convict *solely* on the weight of an admission *they themselves* heard the accused make...unless that admission was made under oath?? If so,does that differ from civilian trials? Or is the same true there as well?"

No, there is nothing in the UCMJ which requires an admission or confession be made under oath to be entered into evidence. In fact the vast majority of admissions or confessions entered into evidence were not made under oath.

19 posted on 08/23/2013 6:52:20 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: don-o

What is there to consider? Burning at the stake, vs. public impalement, vs. drawing and quartering?


20 posted on 08/23/2013 7:01:06 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: bmwcyle
For sure. I would've had him hung twice by now.

21 posted on 08/23/2013 7:01:40 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: circlecity
No, there is nothing in the UCMJ which requires an admission or confession be made under oath to be entered into evidence.

Unless I'm misunderstanding,or misreading,what "jagusafr" said there is,at least,a problem with such a scenario in a court martial.Perhaps at some point he'll respond to my earlier post and we'll if I need remedial reading classes! ;-)

22 posted on 08/23/2013 7:02:04 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: Norm Lenhart

My first thought also.


23 posted on 08/23/2013 7:06:17 AM PDT by rocksblues (The Obama administration the most unlawful, corrupt administration in US history.)
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To: don-o

They are busy filling out the paperwork to inform Obama of his promotion and exactly which medals they are awarding to him.


24 posted on 08/23/2013 7:07:03 AM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Mr. K

My personal favorite is Apache justice.


25 posted on 08/23/2013 7:08:59 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Gay State Conservative

That is correct: in every criminal jury trial, the judge admonishes the jury that “what the attorneys say in opening statements and closing arguments is not evidence. In reaching your verdict, you are to consider only the evidence and sworn testimony before you”, or words to that effect, depending on jurisdiction. Since he didn’t testify and he’s acting as his own attorney, his statements cannot be considered in determining innocence or guilt. It is at times (like this case) a Chinese wall, a legal fiction, but that’s the very reason the court martial panel needs to be very deliberate.


26 posted on 08/23/2013 7:10:23 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: jagusafr
There are WAY too many "laws" on America's books if we can't take a(n) multiple admission of guilt and just sentence him accordingly.

Sure we have the right to defense counsel, but as I understand it, this vermin pretty much signed off on every accusation DURING the trial.

It's a damned shame we have to CYA in an obvious situation.

27 posted on 08/23/2013 7:11:58 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: b4its2late

And covered him in Bacon.


28 posted on 08/23/2013 7:14:07 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle
Hang him already.

And make sure the seatbelt is snug.

29 posted on 08/23/2013 7:16:22 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: bmwcyle

Is it pc to hang a disabled criminal?


30 posted on 08/23/2013 7:17:05 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: knarf

I understand the frustration. But, I value our justice system beginning with presumption of innocence through burden of proof.

I agree with “better a guilty man go free than an innocent man be convicted.”

(General statements here - Hasan’s guilt is apparent. But, the process must be followed)


31 posted on 08/23/2013 7:19:43 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Fort Hood Shootings ‏@FtHoodShootings 8m In 10-second hearing, judge sent jurors back into deliberations. #hasan
32 posted on 08/23/2013 7:20:33 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Can the judge choose from a number of types of Capital Punishment?

I wonder if BEHEADING is on such a list.


33 posted on 08/23/2013 7:34:54 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey (Block Captain..Tyranny Response Team / al-Kilab Division)
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To: HomeAtLast

We could always do it Iranian Muslim style . . . with a crane. That would be sensitive to his religion and culture, eh?
34 posted on 08/23/2013 7:35:38 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Little Ray

Don’t forget to stuff the tube of Jimmy Dean Pork Sausage at one end and the Hebrew National Salami at the other.

And it has to be on Youtube.


35 posted on 08/23/2013 7:35:58 AM PDT by Yehuda (Pres Obortion, Sen.McAnus, & Hillary Rotten Clinton all kiss the *ss of the muslim brotherhood.)
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To: NTHockey

Which type? Staking them to an anthill and painting them with honey? Wrapping them in a leather blanket and wetting the blanket? So much creativity for such a small tribe.


36 posted on 08/23/2013 7:38:19 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Unless I'm misunderstanding,or misreading,what "jagusafr" said there is,at least,a problem with such a scenario in a court martial.Perhaps at some point he'll respond to my earlier post and we'll if I need remedial reading classes!"

A court martial is regulated by the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Nowhere does it say that admissions or confessions must be given under oath to be admissible. Such a requirement would eliminate 99% of all admissions.

37 posted on 08/23/2013 7:53:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
A court martial is regulated by the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Nowhere does it say that admissions or confessions must be given under oath to be admissible. Such a requirement would eliminate 99% of all admissions.

In the response that "jagusafr" just sent to me regarding my original question to him (post #26) there appears to be at least one exception to what you're saying.Given that he's a lawyer,a former military lawyer at that,I'm inclined to accept the accuracy of his statement.I don't understand the logic behind the concept he was describing but then there's very,*very* many things about the law that I don't understand so I'll just add that to the list.

38 posted on 08/23/2013 8:02:54 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To: Gay State Conservative

btt


39 posted on 08/23/2013 8:30:20 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
"Given that he's a lawyer,a former military lawyer at that"

So am I.

40 posted on 08/23/2013 8:47:55 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: don-o

They threw out his confession and evidence of jihad

He might just be found guilty of littering the place with bodies and blood.


41 posted on 08/23/2013 8:50:45 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: don-o

Hey Schwartz!!!! It’s not a Jury it’s a Courts Martial Board!


42 posted on 08/23/2013 9:01:58 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: bmwcyle

Hang him already.

I hope the only thing they are deliberating is death by hanging or death by firing squad.


43 posted on 08/23/2013 9:31:10 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1
Fort Hood Shootings ‏@FtHoodShootings 3m We've been called back to courtroom for possible verdict. #hasan #forthood
44 posted on 08/23/2013 9:57:02 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
There is no doubt the 13 high-ranking Army officers are taking their duty seriously.

I'm sorry, but I know of one who sure as Heck hasn't taken her duty very seriously.

45 posted on 08/23/2013 10:01:20 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It wasn't the Rodeo Clown's act, it was the crowd reaction they could't take.)
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To: don-o; Admin Moderator

Thanks for the header edit and btt


46 posted on 08/23/2013 10:01:42 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Fort Hood Shootings ‏@FtHoodShootings 1m False alarm: jury just had a couple of questions. #hasan
47 posted on 08/23/2013 10:12:41 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Vigilanteman

My favorite form is buried up to the neck with hands tied behind the back. Then smear the face with honey and let the fire ants do the rest.


48 posted on 08/23/2013 10:19:22 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: NTHockey
Fort Hood Shootings ‏@FtHoodShootings 6m Jury pointed out typo in 1 of the panel members' middle initial and had question about filling out their findings worksheet. #hasan Expand Fort Hood Shootings ‏@FtHoodShootings 8m Jury seems close; we are waiting at the courthouse to be called back in. #hasan #forthood
49 posted on 08/23/2013 10:25:40 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
Fort Hood Shootings ‏@FtHoodShootings 1m BREAKING: #Hasan GUILTY on all 45 counts
50 posted on 08/23/2013 10:41:06 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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